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My great grandfather William Hall, a soldier, married Catherine Floody and when he left the army they settled back in Chapelizod where Catherine was born in 1853.

Catherine was the daughter of John Floody and Anne Conlon and there were a number of Floodys living in Chapelizod and Lower Palmerston.

I have gone through nearly all of the available online sources (irishgeneaolgy, ancestry, findmypast, electoral rolls) and collected a large number of names and dates of birth. But, what I haven't been able to do is reconstruct the family and relationships between all of them. I know they might not be related to each other, but it's an unusual enough name for me to think they might be.

Any hints or help with stuff I'm not aware of that could help me put the family together? Unfortunately I can't get to Dublin right now 

 

Just Martin

Saturday 9th Apr 2022, 01:20PM

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  • Hi Just Martin,  I know exactly what you are trying to do as Ive been doing the same with my Wifes family name for years.  I had a quick look and see that Catherine was baptised on 11-3-1855  and a conlon was a sponso in Palmerstown RC .  If you look in Irish Genealogy church records and Civil records you will find some , its a free site as is NLI which will give you the different church records. Palmerstown and Chapelizod is there. Chapelizod is a bit out of focus as you increase the power,/ enlarge . Dont ask me how to give you shortcuts as I always forget how, and have to work it out again.  There is no index in the NLI records so its just search.  there are also Deaths in in Chapelizod. Happy hunting

    searcher

    Tuesday 3rd May 2022, 01:32PM
  • Hello Just Martin,

    This reply will add to the information that searcher kindly provided in the reply to Ireland Reaching Out on Tuesday, 3 May, 2022.

    You’ll no doubt have many of the records I found and have included in this reply, but some you may not.

    Your information shows that Catherine Floody was born in 1853, but a transcription at the Find My Past (FMP) website shows that the baptism of “Catherina” Floody took place in the Palmerstown, Dublin Catholic Parish on 11 March 1855. This is the date of baptism searcher also found concerning Catherine Floody.

    Catherina’s parents are recorded as “Joannis” Floody and Anna Floody in the transcription, which is an indication that the priest who performed the baptism didn’t record Anna’s maiden name. Catherina and Joannis are Latin spellings that many Catholic priests in Ireland used in baptism and marriage records.

    You’ll be able to access the baptism transcription at the following link. You’ll be asked to establish a free account with FMP before the baptism transcription downloads: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F2771696

    Attached to the FMP transcription is a link that will take you to a copy of the original Palmerstown Catholic Parish register where Catherina’s baptism is recorded. Catholic parish registers are held by the National Library if Ireland. Go to: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633377#page/27/mode/1up

    There are two facing pages of the register, which you can enlarge by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

    Catherine’s baptism is the 7th entry up from the bottom of the right-hand register page. Her godparents are Joannes (John) Conlon and Joanna Doyle.

    Joannes Conlin was probably Catherine Conlon Floody’s brother.

    NOTE: Find My Past (FMP) is a mainly a subscription website, but does have some free collections. One of those free collections allows you to search available Irish Catholic parish register transcriptions for the 32 counties of Ireland. The majority of the registers are for the 19th century, but some Catholic parish registers go back to the 18th and even 17th century. I’ll have more on this later. END OF NOTE.

    Catherine Floody would have been the first-born child of John Floody and Anne Conlon, as I found the FMP marriage transcription for John and Anne, showing the marriage took place in the Palmerstown, Dublin Catholic Parish on 28 January 1854. See the FMP marriage transcription at:
    https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0605715%2F1

    A copy of original marriage record is the 7th entry down the right-hand marriage register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633377#page/44/mode/1up

    The witnesses to the marriage were Jacabo (James) Dillon and Maria Devine.

    I also found that John Floody and Anne Conlon had a daughter named Margaret. The FMP transcription shows that Margaret “Fluddy” was baptized in the Palmerstown Catholic Parish on 28 July 1857. The transcription also shows that Margaret was born on 28 July 1857. At the time of the birth and baptism, the family were living in Chapelizod. See the transcription: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F2771785

    A copy of the original baptism record for Margaret is the 4th entry down the right-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633377#page/30/mode/1up

    The baptism record reads: “2nd Margaret (from 28) of John Fuddy and Anne Conlon (Chapelizod) SS Nicholas and Rose Right (Chapelizod).”

    The “from 28” signifies that Margaret was born on July 28.

    Margaret’s godparents are Nicholas and Rose Right, also living in Chapelizod. The initials SS before the names of the godparents stands for “Sponsors.” Sponsors in this case means godparents.

    The derivation of the name “Chapelizod” in Dublin City is very interesting. See the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapelizod

    I couldn’t identify the baptisms of any more of John and Anne’s children in the Palmerstown or Chapelizod Catholic Parishes in Dublin at the FMP website. It is possible they had other children that I missed locating in Dublin Catholic Parish baptism records.

    The present day Catholic Parish Church in Palmerstown, Dublin is called St. Philomena’s on the Lucan Road Old. The St. Philomena Parish website notes the church was constructed in 1957, and so this would not be the church where John Floody and Anne Conlon were married or where their children were baptized.

    A Google Map from a Shane Wilson website link shows the location of the former Catholic Chapel in Palmerstown, and also shows the location of St. Philomena’s Roman Catholic Church. The location of the former church is represented by the red teardrop marker on the map: https://tinyurl.com/yyt283fy

    The old church was located off a side road from the Lucan Road, as shown on the Google Street Views coming up. The side road is called Chapel Lane: https://tinyurl.com/mr4yr9sb and https://tinyurl.com/5yzyzxeh

    For a Google Street View of St. Philomena’s Catholic Church, Lucan Road, Palmerstown: https://tinyurl.com/5vrh7k84

    An Ordnance Survey Map from the 1829 to 1841 time period shows the location of the R.C. Chapel, in what is now Chapel Lane off the un-named Lucan Road. The map calls this section of Dublin, Palmerston, rather than Palmerstown. The map, from the GeoHive website, is attached to this reply.

    Also attached to this reply is an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1897 to 1913 time period, showing the name of the chapel in Palmerston was St. Mary’s R.C. Church. This map is also from GeoHive.

    CIVIL REGISTRATION

    There will not be a civil registration marriage record for John Floody and Anne Condon or civil registration birth records for them or their daughters Catherine and Margaret. Civil Registration began in Ireland on 1 April 1845, but at this time the Irish government only recorded Protestant marriages as well as civil marriages.

    Civil Registration of births, marriages and death for all religious denominations commenced in the 32 counties of Ireland on 1 January 1864.

    The free irishgenealogy.ie website has indexed as well as digitized civil registration birth, marriage and death records. For example, birth records are available from the year 1864 to 1921. Protestant and civil marriages are available from 1 April 1845, and for all religious denominations from 1864 to 1945.

    Digitized copies of death records are available from 1871 to 1970, but irishgenealogy.ie plans to release copies of original death records from 1864 to 1870 sometime in the future. At present only death indexes are available from 1864 to 1870, but the indexes give very little information that can help to identify an ancestor.

    If John and Anne Floody died after the year 1870, I thought there may be copies of original death indexes for them. But before looking for their deaths, I wanted to see if they were recorded in the 1901 census of Ireland living in Dublin City or an area surrounding the city. The 1901 census, as well as the 1911 census of Ireland of Ireland are available to search at the National Archives of Ireland link: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

    I didn’t find John or Anne Floody in the 1901 census, or the 1911 census, which means they were not counted in the census for 1901 and 1911, or they were deceased. They had married in 1854, and so I figured they were likely born sometime in the 1830s, and would have been in their 60s or 70s by 1901, or 70s or early 80s by 1911.

    I then looked for their civil registration death records at the irishgenealogy.ie website. I didn’t find a death index for John Floody from 1864 to 1870, or a copy of an original death record for him after 1870. But, I did uncover a death record for an Anne Floody, which shows she died on April 28, 1907 at the age of 66 years. Her place of death was the “Workhouse. WSU.” I believe the initials WSU stand for Workhouse South Union, meaning it was the workhouse in Dublin City, south of the River Liffey. The death record also notes that Anne was “From Palmerstown,” and that she was a “Widow.” Her occupation had been, “Charwoman.” The cause of death was “Pneumonia.” The name of the person who reported her death to the registrar appears to be A Finns. He is shown to the “Occupier, WSU.” In this case Occupier means the head of the Dublin South Union Workhouse. The last name of the registrar who recorded Anne’s death looks like Butler. He recorded the death in the Dublin South Registration District on April 19, 1907. Anne’s death record is number 163 in the register and can be accessed at the following link after following the prompts: https://tinyurl.com/5buxprvv

    Anne Floody’s age of 66 when she died means she would have been born circa 1841. If her age is accurate she would have been only 13 years old in 1854, and much too young to marry, but her age at death may not be correct. She may have been several years older than 66 when she died.

    Attached to this reply are Ordnance Survey Maps of the South Dublin Union Workhouse from the 1829 to 1841 time period, and from the 1897 to 1913 time period.

    Today, the portions of former workhouse are occupied by Trinity College and the St. James Hospital.

    For more information about the South Dublin Union Workhouse, go to the workhouses.org.uk link at: https://www.workhouses.org.uk/DublinSouth/

    THE CIVIL MARRIAGE OF WILLIAM HALL AND CATHERINE FLOODY

    You had mentioned in your Ancestry.com message that Catherine Floody had married William Hall, but hadn’t provided a date for the marriage. I looked for their marriage transcription at the FMP website but didn’t find it. Irish marriages traditionally take place in the bride’s parish, and I had originally thought that the marriage would have been recorded in the Palmerstown Catholic Parish.

    I expanded the search for the marriage to all available Catholic parishes in Dublin City and surrounding areas but again didn’t find it.

    I then looked for the marriage at the irishgenealogy.ie website, which is one of the websites you had mentioned in your post to Ancestry.com. The irishgenealogy.ie website has two free collections that can be searched. These are the Church Records collection and the Civil Records Collection. I knew from past experience that the Church Records collection has baptism, marriage, and burial records for several of Dublin’s Catholic as well as Protestant churches, though not all churches in Dublin have had their registers digitized.

    I didn’t find the marriage for William and Catherine in the Church Records collection at irishgenalogy.ie, but did find their marriage in the Civil Records collection. I also found a surprise in that their marriage took place in the St. James Parish, Church of Ireland, Dublin City, rather than in the Catholic Church.

    Their marriage record is recorded in very neat cursive handwriting.

    The date of the marriage is 17 January 1877. At the time of marriage both William and Catherine were of “full” age, with William having been a bachelor and Catherine a spinster, meaning that hadn’t been married before. William’s occupation was “Private 29th,” which may be a reference to the 29th Regiment of Foot in the the British Army. His residence at the time of marriage was 12 Irwin St. His father’s name is William Hall, employed as a “Mason.”

    No occupation is recorded for Catherine. Her residence at the time of marriage is “Lr Palmerston.” Her father is John Floody, a “Labourer. They were married by License by a Church of Ireland clergyman named Thos Tomlinson. The witnesses to the marriage were Joseph Harding and Catherine Glynn. Joseph signed the marriage register with “his x mark,” and Catherine with “her x mark,” meaning they could not write.

    The groom, William Hall, signed the marriage register unassisted, but Catherine Floody signed with “her x mark.” You can access the marriage record after following the prompts at: https://tinyurl.com/yckd8et2

    For a history of the St James Church of Ireland, James Street, Dublin, see the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James%27_Church,_Dublin_(Church_of_Ire…

    As mentioned in the Wikipedia article, the St. James Church of Ireland was converted into the Pearse Lyons Whiskey Distillery in James Street. A Google Map shows the location of the distillery, as well as Irwin Street, where William Hall resided at the time of marriage, and Palmerston Lower, where Catherine Floody resided at the time of marriage: https://tinyurl.com/4n4bcmkh

    Also see: https://tinyurl.com/yxevsrpw

    Here is a Google Street View of Irwin Street, Dublin: https://tinyurl.com/mpcbub76

    The following link will take you to a Google Street View of the Pearse Lyons Whiskey Distillery, formerly the St. James Church of Ireland: https://tinyurl.com/45z58n5x

    Attached is an ordnance Survey Map from the 1829 to 1841 time period of James Street, Dublin, and the “Church,” which was the James Street Church of Ireland and the present location of the Pearse Lyons Whiskey Distillery. On the map you’ll also see the “Grave Yard.” The map is from the GeoHive website.

    The attached Ordnance Survey Map of James Street from the 1897 to 1913 time period shows St. James’s Church and Grave Yard.

    BIRTH AND BAPTISM RECORDS OF THE HALL CHILDREN

    I uncovered civil registration birth records and/or baptisms for eight children of William Hall and Catherine Floody. I also found death records for two of the children.

    Four of the baptisms took place in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish and one in the Chapelizod Catholic Parish.

    The birth records were found in the irishgenalogy.ie Civil Records collection, and all but one of the baptisms at irishgenealogy.ie’s Church Records collection. The one baptism transcription was uncovered at the FMP website, and is accompanied by a copy of the original baptism record from the National Library of Ireland.

    The names of the children in the birth and baptism records follow. They are listed in chronological order by birth year:

    John Hall, 1879
    Denis Hall, 1882
    James Hall, 1884
    Anne Hall 1886
    Mary Catherine Hall, 1888
    Mary Elizabeth Hall, 1890
    Thomas Hall, 1892
    Maria Esther or Esther Maria Hall, 1898
    ____

    As you can see there is a gap of five years between the birth of Thomas Hall in 1892 and the birth of Esther Maria Hall in 1898. If William and Catherine had other children in this time period, their births may not have been reported to the registrar, or I missed finding the birth records at the irishgenealogy.ie website.

    Because he was a soldier, there is also the possibility William and Catherine had other children if the family were deployed to a post outside of Ireland.

    BIRTH AND BAPTISM RECORDS FOR JOHN HALL

    John Hall was born on 17 September 1879 in Lower Palmerstown. His father is William Hall, a “Solder” who was living in Worcestershire, England at the time of the birth. John’s mother is Catherine Hall, formerly Floody. Catherine Hall of Lower Palmerstown signed the birth register with “her x mark,” and reported the birth to the Deputy Registrar, Maurice Connor, who recorded the birth in the South Dublin City Registration District on 28 October 1879. John’s birth record can be accessed at: https://tinyurl.com/56cbwp93

    Signing the birth register with “her x mark” signifies that Catherine Floody could not write.

    Because of omissions, there is a note in the right-margin of John’s birth record. Part of the note is cutoff, but from what I could decipher the note reads:

    “In No. 204 Col 2 for year read “1879.” For day and month read “Seventeen” instead of twenty-second and Place of birth read “Lower Palmerstown.” In Col 8 read? Cathne her x mark read “Mother,” mark as her Desposition made before presiding? Justice Pelty, 11th Day of ? 80. Anne her x mark F ? present at ?
    Robt ? Registrar.”
    ____

    Next, the baptism transcription from the FMP website shows that John William Hall was born on 17 September 1879 and baptized in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish on 21 September 1879. At the time of the baptism the family were living in Palmerstown. See: https://tinyurl.com/ycy2rum7

    John’s baptism is the first entry across the top of both pages of the register at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633375#page/193/mode/1up

    The left-hand page records the name of the child, John Thomas Hall, his date of birth, the names of his parents, and the residence of the family.

    On the right-hand page you’ll see the date of the baptism, the name of the priest who baptized John, Patrick Duffy, Vic, (Vicar), and the names of the godparents, Denis Floody and Mary Anne Nolan.

    I checked with the National Library of Ireland website to see what years are available for accessing the Clondalkin Catholic Parish registers of baptism, and found that baptisms are available from 3 May 1778 to 24 October1880 and marriages from 11 June 1778 to 28 November 1880. See: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0470

    The information at the website shows that alternate names for Clondalkin are Lucan and Palmerstown.

    Any Clondalkin baptisms past 24 October 1880 will not be imaged. Baptisms from this point will be from the irishgnealogy.ie website’s Church Records collection, but only for transcriptions, as the full baptisms are not imaged to date.

    BIRTH, BAPTISM AND DEATH RECORDS FOR DENIS HALL

    Denis was born in Lower Plamerstown on 23 July 1882. His father is William Hall, a pensioner of the 29th Regiment who was living in Palmerstown. Denis’s mother is Catherine Hall, formerly Floody. Catherine, the mother of Denis, of Lower Palmerstown, signed the birth register with “her x mark,” and reported the birth to the registrar, Robert W. Andrew, who recorded the birth in the South Dublin Registration District on 6 August 1882. Denis’s birth is the first entry in the register, number 34: https://tinyurl.com/yckk87an

    The following link will take you to the 1882 Clondalkin Catholic Parish baptism for Denis Hall: The address of the family is Palmerstown. The month and date of the baptism as well as the names of the godparents are not transcribed. Follow the links after you select: https://tinyurl.com/44dp2rak

    Next is a civil record for the death of Denis Hall. He died in Lower Palmerstown on 18 April 1883 at the age of 7 months. He is shown to have been the “Son of a Pensioner 29th Regiment.” The cause of death was “Indigestion 2 weeks. Convulsions 3 days.” Catherine Hall of Lower Palmerstown, signed the death register with “her x mark,” and reported his death to the registrar, Robert W. Andrew who recorded the death in the South Dublin Registration District on 18 April 1883. The death record for Denis is number 159 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/2p895v9p

    BIRTH RECORD FOR JAMES HALL

    James Hall was born in Lower Palmerstown on 21 March 1884. His father is William Hall, a “Pensioner 29th Regiment,” living in Lower Palmerstown. James’s mother is Catherine Floody, of Lower Palmerstown. She signed the birth register with “her x mark,” and reported the birth to the registrar, Robert W. Andrew. He recorded the birth in the South Dublin Registration District on 31 April 1884. James’s birth is number 102 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/4u7dnz6t

    I didn’t find a baptism record for James at the irishgenealogy.ie Church Records collection.

    BIRTH AND BAPTISM RECORDS FOR ANNE/ANNA HALL

    Anne Hall was born in Chapelizod on 8 January 1886. Her father is William Hall, a “Labourer,” residing in Chapelizod. Her mother is Catherine Hall, formerly Floody. Catherine Hall, the mother, of Chapelizod, signed the birth register with “her x mark,” and reported the birth to the registrar, R.F. Maguire, who recorded the birth in the North Dublin Registration District on 2 April 1886. Anne’s birth is number 96 in the register:
    https://tinyurl.com/mr3z3my5

    The Church Records collection from irishgenealogy.ie does not give a complete date of Anna Hall’s baptism, only noting that the baptism took place in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish in 1886. Anna’s father’s first name William is recorded in the Latin, Gulielmus. His last name is Hall. Her mother is Catherina Floody. Catherina is the Latin for Catherine.

    The baptism transcription also shows that Anna’s godparents are “Patritius” (Patrick) Floody and Sara Hart. See: https://tinyurl.com/5brx9xcu

    BIRTH RECORD FOR MARY CATHERINE HALL

    Mary Catherine Hall was born in Lower Palmerstown on 23 May 1888. Her father is William Hall of Lower Palmerstown. His occupation is “Labourer G.S.W.R. & Pensioner from 29th Regt of Foot.” The initials G.S.W.R. stand for the Great Southern & Western Railway. For more information see the Wikipedia article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Southern_and_Western_Railway

    Getting back to the birth record, Mary Catherine’s mother is Catherine Hall, formerly Floody. Catherine, the mother, of Lower Palmerstown, signed the birth register with “her x mark,” and reported the birth to the assistant registrar, F.G. Andrew, who recorded the birth in the South Dublin Registration District on 15 June 1888. Mary Catherine’s birth is number 61 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/2p8ywtzf

    I didn’t find a baptism transcription for Mary Catherine Hall.

    BIRTH AND BAPTISM RECORDS FOR MARY ELIZA HALL

    Mary Eliza Hall was born in Lower Palmerstown on 2 May 1890. Her father is William Hall, of Lower Palmerstown, whose occupation was, “ Labourer G.S.W.R.” Mary Eliza’s mother is Catherine Hall, formerly Floody. Catherine Hall, the child’s mother, of Lower Palmerstown signed the birth register with “her x mark,” and reported the birth to the Assistant Registrar, F.G. Andrew, who recorded the birth in the South Dublin Registration District on 2 June 1890. Mary Eliza’s birth is number 450 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/vfwky2p2

    No month and day in 1890 is recorded for Maria Elizabeth Hall’s baptism in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish. Her father is Gulielmo Hall. Her mother is Catharina Floody. The godparents are not recorded in the transcription which you can view at: https://tinyurl.com/3ye8m3mf

    BIRTH AND BAPTISM RECORDS FOR THOMAS HALL

    Thomas Hall was born in Lower Palmerstown on 13 August 1892. His father is William Hall, whose occupation is, “Pensioner 29th Regiment.” William’s residence is Lower Palmerstown. Thomas’s mother is Catherine Hall of Lower Palmerstown. Catherine, who signed the register with “her x mark,” reported the birth to the registrar, Robert H. Andrew. He recorded the birth in the South Dublin Registration District on 30 September 1892. Thomas’s birth is number 443 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/yc338knv

    No month and day in 1892 is transcribed for Thomas Hall’s baptism in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish. His father is William Hall. His mother is Catharina Floody. The address of the Hall family is LR (Lower) Palmerstown: https://tinyurl.com/mrywehkk

    BIRTH, BAPTISM, AND DEATH RECORDS FOR MARY ESTHER HALL AKA ESTHER MARY HALL

    Mary Esther Hall was born in Lower Palmerstown on 9 April 1898. Her father is William Hall, a “Labourer” residing in Lower Palmerstown. Her mother is Catherine Hall, formerly Floody. Catherine Hall, the mother, signed the birth register with “her x mark,” and reported the birth to the registrar, Robt W. Andrew. He recorded the birth in the South Dublin Registration District on 2 May 1898. Mary Esther’s birth is number 173 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/bdrtkuxn

    The baptism for Esther Maria Hall did not take place in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish, but in the Chapelizod Catholic Parish in 1898. No month or day in 1898 is transcribed. Her father is Gulielmus Hall. Her mother is Catherina Floody. Esther’s godparents are Joannes (John) Ashton and Maria Ashton: https://tinyurl.com/2p8mkaye

    Mary Hall died on 21 July 1898 in Lower Palmerstown at 3 months old. She was the “Daughter of a Labourer.” The cause of death was Diarrhoea 10 days. Convulsions.” Mary’s mother Kate Hall was present at the death and signed the death register with “her x mark.” Kate also reported the death to the assistant registrar, A. Atock, who recorded the death in the South Dublin Registration District on 25 July 1898. Mary’s death is number 36 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/29e42ra5

    THE CLONDALKIN CATHOLIC PARISH CHURCH

    Baptism records shows that John, Denis, Mary Eliza, and Thomas Hall were baptized in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish.

    The name of the Clondalkin Catholic Parish Church is the Church of the Immaculate Conception & St. Killian. The church was dedicated in 1862 according to the Clondalkin Parish Village website at: http://www.clondalkinparish.com/?p=67

    THE CHAPELIZOD CATHOLIC PARISH CHURCH

    Esther Mary Hall was baptized in the Chapelizod Catholic Parish in 1898. According to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website the Chapelizod Church is called the Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and was constructed between 1843 and 1849. For more information and a slide presentation of the exterior and interior of the church, see:
    https://tinyurl.com/yckpuuae

    According to the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary website, the present-day parish was constituted in 1955 from Chapelizod and Clondalkin: https://dublindiocese.ie/parish/chapelizod/

    A Google Map shows the location of Palmerstown, the location of the Immaculate Conception Church, and the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary Church, all south/southwest of the Phoenix Park: https://tinyurl.com/39wcrpsc

    For a Google Street View of the Church of the Immaculate Conception & St. Killian see: https://tinyurl.com/42p49vsa

    For a Google Street View of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary Church go to: https://tinyurl.com/bp8du5aa

    THE 1901 IRISH CENSUS

    In going over the birth and baptism order of the Hall children from 1879 to 1898, I noticed three children named Mary. The oldest is Mary Catherine Hall, born in 1888. The next is Mary Elizabeth Hall, born 1890, and last was Mary Esther Hall, born and died in 1898.

    I didn’t find the death records for Mary Catherine Hall or Mary Elizabeth Hall, but it appears the first and middle names of the first two Mary Halls may have been recorded where their first and middle names were in reverse order.

    You can see this in the 1901 census of Ireland for the family of 46 year old widow, Catherine Hall and five of her children in the household with her. They are shown to be the “Residence of a house 29 in Saint Laurence (Palmerstown Dublin).”

    In this case “(Palmerstown Dublin,” refers to the District Electoral Division (DED), and not the name of the townland of Palmerstown.

    A person’s age in the 1901 census is not always accurate.

    The census was taken on 31 March of that year and shows a 13 year old Kate Hall and a 12 yar old Eliza Hall. The 13 year old Kate Hall would be Mary Catherine Hall born in 1888 and the 12 year old Eliza Hall would be the Mary Elizabeth Hall born in 1890.

    See the 1901 census transcription from the National Archives of Ireland website at: https://tinyurl.com/2tx63yr7

    Once the census image downloads make sure to click on “Show all information” to view the full census page. You’ll see that everyone in the household was Roman Catholic and born in County Dublin. The mother, Catherine Hall, cannot read. Her oldest child in the household is 17 year old James, employed as a “General Labourer,” who could not read. The next oldest is 15 year old Anne, who could not read. Going in descending chronological order by age is 13 year old Kate, 12 year old Eliza and 10 year old Thomas. Kate, Eliza, and Thomas are shown to be scholars, that is, students, who could read and write.

    For a copy of the original 1901 census of the Hall household, see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003703576/

    If you scroll down the copy of the original census you’ll see in the lower right that Catherine signed the census with “her x mark,” which was witnessed by George McEnerney. He was the Enumerator who collected the census form from the household of Catherine Hall.

    You’ll notice that Catherine’s son John Hall, born in 1879, is not in the household with his other siblings. He may have been recorded in another household in the 1901 census if he was off working on his own somewhere.

    In looking at the attached Ordnance Survey maps, you’ll see that Saint Laurence borders the western portion of Chapelizod.

    The 1901 census also shows that Catherine’s husband William would have died sometime between 1897 and 1901. His and Catherine’s daughter, Mary Esther or Esther Mary, was born on 9 April 1898.

    DEATH RECORD OF WILLIAM HALL

    I looked for William Hall’s civil registration death record at irishgenalogy.ie and found it. William died in Lower Palmerstown on 19 October 1900. At the time of death he was 58 years old and a “Labourer and Pensioner.” The cause of death was “Bronchitis 3 weeks.” His wife Catherine Hall of Lower Palmerstown was present at the death and reported William’s death to the assistant registrar, A. Atock, who recorded the death in the South Dublin Registration District on 20 October 1900. William’s death is number 394 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/5n8pyyu4

    The assistant registrar A. Atock also recorded Mary Hall’s death in 1898. I don’t believe I’ve come across the surname Atock in Irish records before. Traditionally, registrars and assistant registrars were medical doctors, and so I wanted to see if I could identify a physician in the 1901 census for Dublin City, whose first name began with A., and a surname of Atock.

    I found the person I was looking for. His name was Arthur Atock, a 37 year old medical doctor with several other medical qualifications, living with his wife, 36 year old Marion Louise and their children. They are shown to be the “Residents of a house 7 in Tyrconnell Road (E. Side) (New Kilmainham, Dublin).” See the census transcription from the National Archives at: https://tinyurl.com/yptj42fe

    Once again, make sure you click on “Show all information to view the full census page.

    DEATH RECORD OF CATHERINE HALL

    I looked for but didn’t find Catherine Hall in the 1911 census, and so I figured she had died sometime between the 1901 census and the 1911 census.

    I found a civil registration death record for Catherine Hall, showing that she died in Lower Palmerstown on 9 March 1910. She was the widow of a “Labourer.” The cause of death was “Chronic Nephritis. Cardiac Failure.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the registrar was her son William Hall of Lower Palmerstown. The registrar, A.R. MacMahon recorded the death in the Dublin South Registration District on 9 March 1910. Catherine’s death is number 104 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/2aeaaucx

    We know from Catherine Floody’s baptism record that she was born in 1855, which would have made her 55 years old in 1910, not 50 years old. But, as with census returns, Irish death records can be inaccurate about a person’s age at death.

    I located the grave site for William Hall, his wife Kate, and their daughter Kathleen Hall at the Find A Grave website. They are buried in the Palmerstown Chapel Graveyard, Mill Lane Road. For more information about this graveyard, see: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2457910/palmerstown-chapel-graveyard

    The dates of death for William and Kate on the gravestone do not agree with their dates of death recorded in their individual death records.

    William’s death record shows he died on 19 October 1900. But the date of death on his gravestone is 27 October 1900.

    Catherine Hall’s death record shows she died on 9 March 1910, but the date of death on the gravestone is 17 March 1910.

    Kathleen Hall’s date of death is 31 March 1909.

    The Find A Grave entry for William Hall, as well as a photo of the gravestone can be found at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125630883/william-hall

    The Find A Grave entry for Kate Hall can be found at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125630981/kate-hall

    For Kathleen’s Find A Grave entry go to: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125630948/kathleen-hall

    I didn’t find a 1909 death record for Kathleen Hall at the irishgenealogy.ie website.

    Also buried in the Palmerstown Chapel Graveyard is James Hall. His is a different gravestone than William, Kate, and Kathleen’s. He died in March 1936 at the age of 52. This James Hall may have been the son of William Hall and Catherine Floody.

    If James’s died when he was 52 in 1936, he would have been born in 1884, which is the year that William and Catherine Hall’s son James was born, as seen earlier in this reply.

    The Find A Grave entry for James Hall can be found at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/126348193/james-hall

    James’s death record at the irishgenenalogy.ie website shows he died at 10 Robin Villas, Palmerstown, on 19 March 1936 at the age of 52. See his death record, number 362 at: https://tinyurl.com/3y7uavzm

    I’ll have more information about William and Catherine Hall’s son James later in this reply.

    A Google Map calls the Palmerstown Chapel Graveyard, the Old Church and Graveyard, located off Mill Lane, and just 1/8th of a mile east of Robin Villas, where James Hall died in 1936: https://tinyurl.com/2p99sh3v

    For Google Street Views of the Palmerstown Chapel Graveyard/Old Church and Graveyard, go to the following links: https://tinyurl.com/muh3awk3 and
    https://tinyurl.com/5n9yrkvd

    For a Google Street View of Robin Villas, where James Hall died in 1936, go to: https://tinyurl.com/2p84z2rb

    Catherine Hall’s death record shows her son William Hall was present at the death.

    During earlier research, I hadn’t found an Irish birth or baptism record for a William Hall whose parents were William Hall and Catherine Floody. That seemed a bit unusual when looking for the Hall births and baptisms, being that William and Catherine did not name a son for his father and also his grandfather. If you recall the 1877 marriage for William Hall and Catherine Floody shows that William’s father was also named William Hall.

    Because William Hall was in a British Army’s 29th Regiment of Foot, I supposed that it was possible that he and Catherine had a child in England.

    To see if he and Catherine had any children in England I went to the British General Register Office/HM Passport website to look for a baptism index for a William Hall, whose mother’s maiden name was Floody. To search the GRO birth and death indexes go to: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

    You’ll have to register with the GRO to access the indexes and order a copy of the full birth record.

    The child’s father’s name is not recorded in the GRO birth indexes. The mother’s first name is not recorded in the indexes either.

    I found the GRO birth index for William Henry Hall. His birth was recorded in the Pershore registration District in the March quarter of 1881. His mother’s maiden name is Floody. I believe this birth index refers to William and Catherine’s son, William. See the index below:

    Name: HALL, WILLIAM HENRY
    Mother's Maiden Surname: FLOODY
    GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in PERSHORE
    Volume 06C Page 381
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    According to the UKBMD website, the former Pershore Civil Registration District (now the Worcestershire Registration District), was located in County Worcestershire: https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/pershore.html

    A copy of William Hall’s full birth record can be found in Volume 06C, Page 381 of the GRO birth records. To order the birth record go to the GRO “Start Application” page at: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/app_select.asp

    There are two different costs for birth records. The cost for a Certificate is £11.00. The cost for a PDF copy of the birth record is £7.00. I believe the difference between the two costs is that you can use the certificate for legal purposes. The PDF photocopy is good for people searching their genealogy and not for legal purposes.

    If you order the full birth record for William Henry Hall, you’ll be able to confirm whether or not his father was William and his mother Catherine. You’ll also want to see if the older William Hall’s occupation is 29th Regiment of Foot, or if he was a soldier.

    The 1881 England census however, pretty much confirms the above GRO birth index for William Henry Hall is the child of William and Catherine. The census shows the Hall family living in a street address of “Norton Barrack Worcester Pershore,” and that William Henry was born in Norton, Worcestershire, England.

    See the census transcription below

    1881 England Census

    Name William Henry Hall
    Relationship to Head Son
    Father William Hall
    Mother Kate Hall
    Gender Male
    Where born Norton, Worcestershire, England
    Civil parish Norton by Kempsey
    County/Island Worcestershire
    Country England
    Street Address "Norton Barrack" Worcester Pershore
    Registration district Pershore
    ED, institution, or vessel 13

    Source: Ancestry.com
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    A copy of the original 1881 census shows that 38 year old William Hall Sr., was a “Pte,” that is, a Private in the 29th Regiment, and that he was born in Devonshire, Exeter. William’s 28 year old wife Kate was born in Ireland, as was their 1 year old son John Thomas Hall. William Henry Hall is shown to be 2 months old.

    A copy of the original 1881 census from Anncestry.com can be found at: https://tinyurl.com/3amdh3vy

    The Hall family are on lines 2, 3, 4, and 5 of the census.

    THE 1861 ENGLAND CENSUS

    As long as I was at the Ancestry.com website, I wanted to see if I could find William Hall in England census returns prior to 1881. I couldn’t identify him in the 1871 census but did locate him in the 1861 census, which shows he was an 18 year old “Soldier,” in “Foot Regiment 29 North Camp Farnborough, Hampshire.” His place of birth is Exeter, Devon. See the transcription below:

    1861 England census

    Name William Hall
    Age 18
    Estimated Birth Year 1843
    Relation Soldier
    Gender Male
    Where born Exeter, Devon, England

    Civil parish Farnborough
    County/Island Hampshire
    Country England
    Registration district Farnborough
    Sub-registration district Farnborough
    ED, institution, or vessel
    Foot Regiment 29 North Camp Farnborough

    Source Citation
    Class: RG 9; Piece: 435; Folio: 82; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542637

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
    ____

    For a copy of the original 1861 census go to: https://tinyurl.com/muyj8ja7

    William Hall is second to the last entry on line 24 of the census, which shows he was born in Exeter, Devon.

    THE 1851 ENGLAND CENSUS

    I also found the person I believe to be William Hall in the 1851 census with his family in Exeter St. Sidwell, Devon. See the transcription below:

    1851 England Census

    Name William Hall
    Age 11
    Estimated Birth Year 1840
    Relation Son
    Father's Name William Hall
    Mother's Name Sarah Hall
    Gender Male
    Where born Exeter, Devon, England
    Civil parish Exeter St Sidwell
    Ecclesiastical parish St James
    County/Island Devon
    Country England
    Registration district Exeter
    Sub-registration district St Sidwell

    Source Citation
    Class: HO107; Piece: 1868; Folio: 11; Page: 15; GSU roll: 221016

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
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    In his 1877 marriage record, William Hall’s father is also named William Hall, who was employed as a “Mason.”

    The full 1851 census shows that 45 year old William Hall, the father, was a “Labourer Mason.” He was born in Levington. His wife is 45 year old Sarah, born in London. The oldest child in the household is 16 year old Eliza, born in Exeter, Devon. She is followed by 11 year old William, and then 18 year old Elizabeth, born in Exeter, Devon. The two other children in the household are 15 year old Mary A. Hall and 3 year old Thomas Hall, both born in Exeter, Devon. The Hall family are recorded on two census pages, which you can access at: https://tinyurl.com/2p8e28yz and https://tinyurl.com/4a6uyv5n

    William Hall Sr., his wife Sarah, daughter Eliza, and son William are located at the bottom of the first census page. I couldn’t decipher what the younger William Hall’s occupation was because of the handwriting and because the page is a little blurry.

    Elizabeth, Mary, and Thomas Hall are recorded at the top of the second census page.

    THE 1841 ENGLAND CENSUS

    In the 1841 census transcription below, William Hall is 1 year old and living in Heavitree, Devon:

    1841 England Census

    Name: William Hall
    Age: 1
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
    Gender: Male
    Where Born: Devon, England
    Civil Parish: Heavitree
    Hundred: Wonford
    County/Island: Devon
    Country: England
    Street Address:
    Registration District: St Thomas
    Sub-registration District: Heavitree

    Source Citation
    Class: HO107; Piece: 263; Book: 15; Civil Parish: Heavitree; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 9; Page: 13; Line: 8; GSU roll: 241329

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. 1841 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2010.
    ____

    The full 1841 census shows that William’s father is a 30 year old “Labourer,” born in Devon. His wife is 30 year old Sarah, also born in Devon, though in the 1851 census her birthplace is recorded as “London.”

    Following Sarah in the 1841 census is 8 year old Eliza, with 1 year old William
    shown to be the youngest in the household. Both Eliza and William were born in Devon.

    There are two facing pages of the census. The Hall family is on the left-hand page, beginning on the 5th line of the census page, as you’ll see in a copy of the original 1841 census at: https://tinyurl.com/7fxrruww

    If the son William Hall’s age of 1 in the 1841 census is correct, he would have been born in 1840. I went back to the GRO website to see if I could find the civil registration birth index for William, which could reveal the maiden name of his mother, though her first name will not be recorded in the birth index.

    I found the GRO birth index which shows William’s birth was recorded in the Exeter Registration District for the June quarter of 1840. His mother’s maiden surname is Williams. See the index below:

    Name: HALL, WILLIAM
    Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIAMS
    GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in EXETER
    Volume 10, Page 111
    ____

    William’s birth can be found in Volume 10, Page 111 of the GRO birth records, which you can order from the GRO as described previously in this reply.

    Back at Ancestry.com I looked for William’s baptism record. I suspected he was not Roman Catholic, but Anglican. In England the Anglican Church is the Church of England. In Ireland the Anglican Church is the Church of Ireland.

    Church of England and Church of Ireland baptism records do not traditionally provide the maiden name of the child’s mother, the way most Catholic baptisms do, though I have seen Anglican baptism records with the mother’s maiden name.

    I located the baptism of William Henry Hall in the Ancestry.com collection, “Devon, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920.”

    His baptism took place in the Heavitree, Devon, Anglican Church (Church of England), on 7 June 1840. His father is William Hall. Only his mother’s first name of Sarah is recorded in the index, which is below:

    Devon, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920

    Name: William Henry Hall
    Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1840
    Baptism Place: Heavitree, Devon, England
    Religion: Anglican

    Father: William Hall
    Mother: Sarah Hall

    Ancestry.com. Devon, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2021.

    Original data: Devon Anglican Parish Registers. Taunton, Somerset, England: Indexes created from Anglican Parish Registers held at South West Heritage Trust.
    ____

    A copy of William Henry Hall’s original baptism record does not accompany the above index.

    There are three Anglican churches within the Heavitree Parish, according to the parish website at: http://www.heavitreeparish.co.uk/

    One of these churches is St. Michael’s & All Angels, in Heavitree, a suburb of Exeter, Devon. A second church, St. Lawrence’s, is also located in Heavitree. The third church is St. Mary’s Steps, located in Exeter.

    The baptism index above shows that William Henry Hall was baptized in Heavitree. William would not have been baptized in St. Lawrence’s Church, as this church was constructed in 1957

    This means he was baptized in St. Michael’s & All Angels, Heavitree. The major portion of the church building dates back to 1829, but there were renovations to the church structure over the years. The church you see today may not be the church building where William was baptized in 1840.

    For more information about the church, and a photo, go to the Wikipedia links at: https://tinyurl.com/35e26y6w and https://tinyurl.com/yushmfbm

    Also see the following Heavitree Parish website links: http://www.heavitreeparish.co.uk/churches/st-michaels/ and http://www.heavitreeparish.co.uk/st-michaels/

    If you do not already have the baptism record for William Henry Hall, contact one of the Heavitree Parish clergy by email and ask if there is a charge to obtain the baptism record. You can send the baptism index for William as a reference.

    Contact information can be found at: http://www.heavitreeparish.co.uk/contacts-2/

    For a Google Map of the location of St. Michael’s & All Angels Church of Ireland in Heavitree, go to: https://tinyurl.com/47mpncb3

    For a Google Street View of the church and graveyard from Church Lane, go to: https://tinyurl.com/y6yrh4xn

    I next looked for but didn’t find a marriage record for William Hall and Sarah Williams at Ancestry.com or at the FamilySearch website.

    Getting back to William Hall and Catherine Floody’s son William Henry Hall, born in Worcestershire England in 1881: I looked for him in the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census enumerations but could not identify him in either census.

    But, I did find the person that may be his brother, 27 year old James Hall and James’s 22 year old wife Mary and their daughter Catherine, whose age is not recorded in the 1911 census transcription. When a National Archives of Ireland transcription does not give the age of a child, it usually means the child was under a year old. The child’s age however, will be recorded in a copy of the original 1911 census.

    The 1911 census shows that the Halls were the “Residents of a house 23 in Chapelizod Town, Part of (Palmerstown, Dublin).”

    In the household with James, Mary and Catherine, is James’s brother-in-law, 23 year old John Byrne. He would be Mary Hall’s brother, and so from the census we know that James Hall married Mary Byrne. Also in the household is a “Visitor,” 20 year old Rose Brady.

    The census shows that James Hall was employed as an “Agricultural Labourer.” The census line for Mary Hall reveals that she and James had been married for 2 years, and in that time had 2 children, with 1 child still living. That child is Catherine. The census also shows that John Byrne is an “Agricultural Labourer” who could read and write and was single. The visitor Rose Brady was a “G Domestic Servant,” that is, a General Domestic Servant, who could read and write and was single. Everyone in the household was Roman Catholic. Everyone in the household except Rose Brady was born in County Dublin. Rose Brady was born in nearby County Meath.

    The 1911 census transcription for the Hall household can be found at:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Palmerstown/Cha…

    Once again make sure you click on “Show all information” to access the full census page.

    A copy of the original 1911 census for the Hall household shows that Catherine was 6 months old: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000109875/

    In the lower right corner of the census page is James Hall’s signature.

    I next located the civil registration marriage record for James Hall and Mary Byrne at the irishgenealogy.ie website. They were married in the Roman Catholic Chapel of Chapelizod on June 6, 1909. At the time of the marriage James and Mary were of “full age.” James had been a bachelor and Mary a spinster. James’s occupation is “Labourer.” His residence at the time of marriage was Lower Palmerstown. His father was William Hall, a “Labourer.” At this time however, his father was deceased.

    No occupation is recorded for Mary. Her residence at the time of marriage was also Lower Palmerstown. Her father is Michael Byrne, a “Labourer.” The priest who married James and Mary was John Cahill C.C. The initials C.C. stand for “Catholic Curate.” The witnesses to the marriage were John Byrne and Elizabeth Doody. John Byrne is likely the brother-in-law recorded in the Hall household in the 1911 census.

    James Hall signed the marriage register with “his x mark.” Mary Byrne signed the register unassisted. The marriage was recorded by the deputy registrar, A. Atock in the South Dublin Registration District on 28 June 1909: https://tinyurl.com/mr2wz7x6

    Knowing that James Hall and Mary Byrne had a child who did not live long enough to be recorded in the 1911 census, I looked for this child’s civil registration birth and death records at the irishgenealogy.ie website.

    Mary Josephine Hall was born in “St Laurence,” on August 16, 1909. Her father is James Hall, a “Labourer” residing in St Laurence. Her mother is Mary Hall, formerly Byrne. Mary Hall, the mother of the child who resided in St. Laurence, reported the birth to the registrar, A.D. Clinch, who recorded the birth in the South Dublin registration District on September 11, 1909. Her birth is number 125 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/zn3h9nv4

    Mary Josephine was born two months and ten days after the marriage of her parents James and Mary. This indicates that James and Mary had married when they did so that their child would not be born out of wedlock.

    Mary Josephine Hall died in Lower Palmerstown on October 26, 1909 at the age of 2 months. She is shown to have been the “Child of Labourer.” I was taken-aback by the cause of death, which was “Congenital Syphilis.” Mary’s father James Hall of Lower Palmerstown was present at the death and signed the death register with “his x mark.” He reported the death to the registrar, A.D. Clinch, who recorded the death in the South Dublin Registration District on October 27, 1909. Mary’s death is number 77 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/y259jszb

    The death record of the child just above Mary Josephine, at number 76, was tragic. Column 2 of the death register states, “Dead body of infant found on the 23rd of July 1909 in a field at “Ballyfermott.” The child’s name, gender, cause of death, names of parents, were all “Unknown.” A very kind and generous person named John Anderson had “caused the body to be buried Mountain View Chapelizod.”

    BIRTH OF KATHLEEN HALL

    Kathleen Hall was born in Lower Palmerstown on 16 October 1910. Her father is James Hall a “Labourer” from Lower Palmerstown. Her mother is Mary Hall, formerly Byrne. Mary Hall, the child’s mother, reported the birth to the registrar. A.P. MacMahon, who recorded the birth in the South Dublin Registration District on December 2, 1910. Kathleen’s birth is number 25 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/5n6e5328

    James Hall and Mary Byrne had four more children from 1913 to 1921 according to the irishgenealogy.ie website.

    The names and years of birth for these children are:

    James Christopher Hall, 1913
    Michael Patrick Hall, 1918
    Thomas Christopher Hall, 1919
    Ellen Patricia Hall, 1921
    ____

    BIRTH OF JAMES CHRISTOPHER HALL

    James was born in Lower Palmerstown on 14 December 1913. His birth record is the last entry in the register at number 90: https://tinyurl.com/mrxma34s

    BIRTH OF MICHAEL PATRICK HALL

    Michael was born in Lower Palmerstown on 5 March 1918. His birth is number 26 in the register at: https://tinyurl.com/mt8uxccv

    BIRTH OF THOMAS CHRISTOPHER HALL

    Thomas was born in Ballyfermott on December 2, 1919. His is the last birth recorded in the register at number 170: https://tinyurl.com/mr2vv4sj

    BIRTH OF ELLEN PATRICIA HALL

    Ellen was born on 13 May 1921 in Ballyfermott. Her birth is number 114 in the register: https://tinyurl.com/4ehmadzm

    A Google Map shows that Ballyfermott, Dublin City, is south of Palmerstown and west of Chapelizod and Phoenix Park: https://tinyurl.com/2wedhtbx

    Here is a Google Street View of Ballyfermott looking east toward Chapelizod:
    https://tinyurl.com/yc4tesp5

    FURTHER RESEARCH CONCERNING WILLIAM HALL SR

    The marriage record for William Hall and Catherine Floody, as well as several of the birth records for the Hall children reveal that their father William was a soldier, and that in the British Army he belonged to the 29th Regiment of Foot, which was also known as the Worcestershire Regiment.

    For a history of the 29th (Worcestershire) Regiment of Foot, see the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/29th_(Worcestershire)_Regiment_of_Foot

    In addition, the 1879 civil registration birth record for John Hall shows that his father William at the time of the birth was a “Soldier,” whose residence was Worcestershire, England.

    At the subscription Forces War Records website, I found three indexes for a Private William Hall, service number 623, of the 29th Worcester Regiment of Foot. These indexes may pertain to your William Hall, who lived in Dublin. See the first three indexes on the page, dated 1861, 1861, and 1871 https://tinyurl.com/2atnkw6t

    You will have to obtain one of the subscription packages to gain access to the full military records referred to in the three indexes. For Forces War Records subscription information see: https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/subscription-rates

    For more information about the Forces War Records site, go to: https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/about-us

    At the time of William Hall’s death in 1900, he was 58 years old. This places his year of birth circa 1842, though as seen earlier, he was born in 1840. The two 1861 index entries for William Hall at the Forces War Records site, may pertain to the year he was inducted into the service. If this had been the case, he would have been 19 years old.

    The 1888 birth record for Mary Catherine Hall and 1890 birth record for Mary Elizabeth Hall, show their father was employed as a labourer with the G.S.W.R., that is, the Great Southern & Western Railway.

    The Irish Railway Records Society (IRRS) in Dublin may have records pertaining to William Hall’s years of service with the Great Southern & Western Railway. See the homepage at: https://irrs.ie/

    For more information about having IRRS volunteers research surviving personal records held by the IRRS, go to the Genealogy page at: https://irrs.ie/archives/genealogy/

    NOTE: When I first accessed the IRRS website on 10 May 2022 it was up and running. On 11 May and 12 May however, the website was down. If you can’t access the IRRS website the first time around, go back at a later date and try again.

    You can also email the IRRS or send a letter by mail asking if there are any records available for your ancestor, William Hall, who worked for the Great Southern & Western Railway in Dublin, in the latter part of the 19th century. See the contact information at the Ask About Ireland website:
    https://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/culturenet/archives/dublin/… END OF NOTE

    JOHN FLOODY AND ANNE CONLON

    As you saw earlier, John Floody and Anne Conlon, were married in the Palmerstown, Dublin Catholic Parish on 28 January 1854. Having been married in 1854 I figured they would have been born sometime on the 1820s or the 1830s.

    Also, Irish marriages traditionally take place in the bride’s parish church, and so Anne Conlon may have been baptized in the Palmerstown Catholic Parish Church.

    I didn’t find a baptism transcription for John Floody in the City of Dublin or Dublin County in the 1820s and 1830s. I looked for his baptism at both the FMP website and in the Church Records collection at irishgenealogy.ie.

    But, I did find Dublin City Catholic parish baptisms at the Church Records collection from irishgenealogy.ie. for several children named Anne/Ann Conlon. One of these may pertain to the Anne Conlon who would later marry John Floody in 1854.

    For example, an Anne Conlon was baptized in the Palemrstown Catholic Parish in 1835. No month or day in 1835 is recorded in the transcription, which shows that her parents are James Conlon and Mary Conlon: https://tinyurl.com/23y22vnc

    An Anne Conlon was baptized in the Clondalkin Catholic Parish in 1837. No day of month of baptism are recorded. Her parents are Mathew Conlon and Mary Keogh of Bluebell. No godparents recorded in the transcription: https://tinyurl.com/4m6whaz5

    Bluebell in Dublin City is 3.1 miles south of Palmerstown by the shortest route, according to a Google Map: https://tinyurl.com/42fub6zj

    For the Conlon baptisms in the 1820s, see below:

    The 3 July 1821baptism of Anne Conlon shows that she is the daughter of William Conlon and Alicia Bentley. The baptism took place in the Saints Michael and John Catholic Parish. Anne’s godparents are Joseph Grady and Mary Grady: https://tinyurl.com/3jutycph

    The 1824 Rathfarnham Catholic Parish baptism of Anne Conlon, daughter of Pat Conlon and Judith. The godparents are Pat Murray and Teresa Mergan: https://tinyurl.com/295hsckr

    The 3 September 1828 baptism of Annam Conlon took place in St. Michan’s Catholic Parish. Her parents are Michaelis Conlon and Mariae Hughes: The godparents are Bryan Keogh and Mariae Hakes. The name of the priest who baptized Annam was L. Dunne: https://tinyurl.com/bde495px

    The 3 September 1828 baptism for Annam Conlon has been imaged and is the first baptism at the top of the right-hand register page: https://tinyurl.com/5n7979ud

    The 1 February1829 baptism of Anne Conlon shows that she is daughter of Michael Conlon and Bridget Conlon of 50 Coombe, in St. Catherine’s Catholic Parish. No godparents are recorded. https://tinyurl.com/3kz76fct

    This baptism had been imaged and can be found at: https://tinyurl.com/5x8fbbwn

    Ann’s baptism is the first entry to the right of the Feb 1 date. To the right of the street address of 50 Coombe, you’ll see the notation, “17 Ultimo.” Ultimo is the Latin for “Previous month.” In other words, Anne Conlon was born on 17 January 1829. To the right of 17 Ultimo is the name of the priest who baptized Ann. His last name is Mason.

    50 Coombe is a reference to a street in Dublin City called The Coombe, situated in the west end of the city called The Liberties. https://tinyurl.com/2y4jx69w

    For a Google Street View of The Coombe: https://tinyurl.com/ycybsnkd

    A child named Anne Conlon was baptized in St Catherine’s Catholic Parish on 4 July 1834. Her parents are John Conlon and Mary Mahon. No godfather is recorded. Her godmother is Mary Dempsey. The priest who baptized Anne is Michael Dungan. See the transcription at: https://tinyurl.com/rs5k2tz9

    This baptism has been imaged and can be found at: https://tinyurl.com/4p3keef7

    Anne Conlon’s baptism is on the right-hand register page, 3rd entry up from the July 8th subheading.

    CONCLUSION

    Just, I don’t know if any of the records in this reply will help you to reconstruct the relationships pertaining to your Floody, Conlon, Hall, and related ancestors. Hopefully at least some of them do.

    With Best Wishes,

    Dave Boylan

    SOURCES
    Find My Past (FMP)
    National Library of Ireland
    Wikipedia
    Google Maps
    Google Street Views
    GeoHive Ordnance Survey Maps
    irishgenealogy.ie
    National Archives of Ireland
    1901 Irish Census
    1911 Irish Census
    Great Southern & Western Railway
    http://www.clondalkinparish.com/?p=67
    National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland
    https://dublindiocese.ie/parish/chapelizod/
    Church of the Immaculate Conception & St. Killian
    Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
    Find A Grave
    General Register Office/HM Passport website,UK
    UKBMD
    Ancestry.com
    Devon Anglican Parish Registers. Taunton, Somerset, England
    Heavitree Parish website
    29th (Worcestershire) Regiment of Foot
    Forces War Records website
    Irish Railway Records Society (IRRS) https://irrs.ie/
    Ask About Ireland

    davepat

    Thursday 12th May 2022, 01:46PM
  • Blimey! That's certainly a comprehensive reply.  It will take me a little while to go through this and see how it fits with my findings and conclusions. Many thanks for all your hard work, Dave

    Just Martin

    Friday 13th May 2022, 02:06PM
  • You're welcome Just, and many thanks for your reply.

    Dave

    davepat

    Friday 13th May 2022, 06:27PM

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