Tully of Lisrivis

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Failte Romhat has lots of other useful links you could try looking at ). www.failteromhat.com The National Archives of Irelandhttp://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/introduction/ The National Library of Irelandhttp://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx The National Archives UK ? genealogy search:http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/ The Public Records Office of Northern Irelandhttp://www.proni.gov.uk/index/family_history.htm The US National Archives:http://www.archives.gov/ The National Archives Scotland- family history:http://www.nas.gov.uk/familyHistory/ The Library & Archives of Canada -http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html Irish Newspaper Archives:http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/  The next thing you could do is find the counties and places in Ireland your family names are mostprevalent. Look at the website http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/ and perhapssomething will match some other clue you may have found elsewhere? If nothing turnsup ? it is advisable to try different variations of the spellings of the names. If you have a possiblefirst name you could try the Irish Census 1901, 1911 at www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ or the landvaluation record called Griffiths Valuationhttp://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

There were a number of Tully families in Kiltullagh parish. Some of them may have worked or owned Mills hence the possible reason for moving. i.e. the next generation of families that ran Mills often moved 5-10 Km, downstream to open up further mills. There is a record of an Owen Tully having a child called Margaret in 1841 in Kiltullagh Parish. However no townland is recorded on the record. The mothers name was Margaret Donnellan. What specific information have you got on your Tully ancestor. There is a Bartholomew Tully of Cornacarta buried in Tulrahan Cemetery which is just accross the border in Mayo. His son lives there now and could be contacted - Tully family Cornacarta, Tulrahan, Ballyhaunis Co. Mayo. You could drop a postcard. In the 1840 there was a Tully family running a mill in Corraun right on the Roscommon Mayo border near Cloonfad. Obviously the more information you can give the better the chance of tracking down the correct family. US death records are often very informative.

Hello!

Thank you very much for the information you sent.  You are right about Cornacartha.  I didn't think of saying that before but my grandfather was born in Cornacartha.  His grandfather (Patrick Tully) and a brother were said to have moved from Co Rosc to Cornacartha.  I think this was between 1833 - 1856 because of the absence of Tullys there in 1833; but in 1856 there were John, Patrick Sr, Patrick Jr, and Bartly Tully there.  Patrick Jr married in 1854 and his oldest son was named Owen which is why I'm looking for Owen ancestors in Co Rosc.  His youngest son was my grandfather, Austin, born 1870 and he and most  of his siblings emigrated to U.S. between 1884 - 1892).

I would really like to know how you found the Owen with daughter Margaret born in 1841. ( I have searched rootsireland and LDS websites without luck. ) I am encouraged that you found this Owen because I have only found Owens in Templetogher and Dunmore parishes but very close to Kiltullagh parish.  I have also  found Bartlys in Dunmore parish (but none in Co Rosc) but maybe these Tullys descended the river as you suggested.   What kind of mills were these?  The Tullys in Cornacartha did basic farming as far as I know.

I tried to find the reference to Bartholomew in Tulrahan cemetary which you mentioned and again without luck.  I will try again.  There is a direct descendant of my grandfather's sister still living in Cornacartha and I'm in touch with her.  She is the one who told me about the Co Rosc. connection.  She also told me there was a Tully family still living there too but she had already talked to him and he doesn't have any other information to add unfortunately.

Thank you again for your help.  I'm looking forward to knowing how you found  this Owen/Margaret record.  Maybe there will be others connected with this!

Sincerely,

Cindy Taupin

This record for Owen is in the Church records. There are no more records of issue to these parents. She may have been their youngest child. The records only commenced in Nov. 1939 in Kiltullagh parish. Unfortunately there was no townland noted for this baptism. Michael Forkin and Catherine Tully were the sponsors. The only Forkans recorded in the parish were in Corrasluastia. There is a record of a Death in 1864 Location Castlereagh for a Margaret Tully in Familysearch.org. It may be worth while acquiring this record. There is also a record of An Owen Born in 1867 He may well be a grandson of your Owen. Patrick Tully in Ballybane had a son Owen. Have you compared the size of land holding to Michael in the Tithes to that of the Griffiths. There was a townland called Curragh. Michael Tully was in Rathlena.As far as I can remember Irish Family History Foundation website has the record for Owen. Otherwise check the film.or if you are lucky enough the original Book.  

Bartholomew Tully Curnacarta 3 10 1974Ellen Tully Curnacarta 10 5 1978Mamie Tully Curnacarta 25 7 2007 These are the Tulrahan Cemetery Records. I used to play football with Mr Tully of Cornacarta when he was a bit younger and a tidy player he was too.

The Record  for Owen  Tullyis on Page 39 of the Book (Film) RHS She had the honor of being baptised by Rev Anthony O'Regan from Levallroe near Cloonfad who went on to be Bishop of Chicago. When there is only one record appearing for an individual couple it is always better to go back and check the record to verify if there may have been an apparent difficulty in transcribing the handwriting.

Hello again,

Thank you for this further information.  I don't know what the RHS book is.  I'm going to a geneology service next Wed in Milwaukee, Wisc and I hope they can help me with this.  This is the Wisconsin Irish Cultural center which has a geneology service open once/week. 

The Levallyroe connection is interesting because I found a Bartholomew  born there in 1841 of  a John Tully but I thought he would be too young to be the Bartly Tully  listed on the Griffith's Val (1856?) of Cornacarta. 

How interesting that you played football with Mr 'Tully of Cornacarta!  I wonder if this is the Jimmy Tully who my relative there has mentioned.  They are neighbors.

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions!

Many thanks.

Cindy Taupin

I hope they have the Kiltullagh Parish Film on hand or should you call them in advance to check. 

The film for Cornacarta is Annagh Parish but the writing for the early years is very difficult to make out.

Both are in the diocese of Tuam.

An up and coming webpage is Irishgraveyards.ie - Just go to graveyard search and key in Tully under name. They now have some counties fairly well covered. They cover Ballyhaunis GY but not the Friary GY which is also in Ballyhaunis. However I know there is no Tully inscribed Tombstone there. There is only one inscription in Kiltullagh Parish, which is in Granlahan G.Y. but it is relatively recent. The family were from Ballybane, Catherine d. 1976, Her son Patrick d. 1988, Daughter Anne d. 1996 & Mary d. 1998.

Yes John Tully in Levallyroe was married to Mary Guilfoyle. My own GM was a  Maria Guilfoyle, I think her Grandfather Owen may have come from Levallyroe. As there is no Tully surname mentioned in the old maps of Levallyroe it is likely John Tully married in. Means were taken into account more than looks in those days. (RHS Right hand side). I might have been looking at two pages together. Maybe it is page 40.

The Daltons and Reynolds of Levallyroe went to Kenosha. Wisc. I am sure Jimmy will remember the Sunday game in Lyons's field. Have you looked at the 1901/1911 census National Archives for Tully Mayo. 23 of them were in Cornacarta. For the Griffiths Patrick Snr, Patrick Jnr, Bartly, and John Tully.

Patrick Snr, Jnr, and Bartly shared 45 Acres 1 Rood and 24 Perches. John was in possession of a seperate holding of 9 Acres 3 roods and 19 perches. These can be traced in the Cancelled land valuations office in the Irish Life Centre  in Dublin.Email  archive_mail@valoff.ie Name your townland and Parish and County. They provide an online service. It will give the record every few years of who were in possession. You will also see what year a name changed.

Hello again!

that is all very interesting!  I will be calling my relative (Ann Mullarkey) in Cornacarta next week and I will tell her about everything you said.

Because of the land sharing on Griffiths, would you say that Bartly is the son of Patrick Sr or do you think he could be the son of John Tully there in Cornacarta?  I'm wondering if this Bartly would be old enough to be listed on the Griffiths since he was born in 1841. 

I was wondering when the Daltons and Reynolds from Levallyroe emmigrated to Kenosha.  I am not too far from there at the moment.   I had tried to find the origins of Mary Guilfoyle also.  I did see a John Guilfoyle in 1933 near Cloonfad, maybe Swineford.  I was just trying to see how she might have met up with John Tully.  It's interesting that your GM was a Guilfoyle!

I was also wondering how far back the cancelled land valuations go.  I will be writing to that office.  I don't know what records are held at the Wisconsin center.  I read that they have a record of pre-Ordnance Survey place names information which interests me because the Tullys said they lived in Ballynarry on Ballynary Rd, inside of Cornacarta townland.  This name doesn't exist there anymore.  Also, I haven't been able to find Carrickhol near Culnecleha, near Logboy.  I'm interested because there was a James Narry who lived in Curnacarta and Carrickhol in 1833.  One of the first Tully brothers in Curnacarta was said to have married a Narry girl there but I haven't been able to find any records about this.

Thank you for all the information you've given and I will be investigating it all, little by little.  It's time consuming but I feel that progress is being made!

Many thanks.

Cindy Taupin

Here are a few contacts you could try,

Ann Tully in Ballybane was married to William Connolly from Cornacarta. They moved back to Ballybane over 30 years ago. Their son John died a few years ago but his sisters can be contacted at the Ballybane address.

There is also a family of Tully's from Williamstown. Their daughter Pamela has just taken over the White House Hotel in Ballinlough. Her mother Annie has a Hair Saloon in Ballinlough which she opens every Friday and Saturday.

A third contact would be Frank and Chris Neenane at Lowberry Cross whose daughter is married to a Mr Tully, a brother in law of Annie Tully.

It might be worth your while to pay a visit to compile any family stories before they are lost forever. Will we see you at the Ballinlough Gathering last weekend in June. Details in the gathering website. Google the gathering, Ballinlough.There is also the Cloonfad one on the fiirst weekend in June. Also if you are in Dublin you might like to drop into the manuscripts section of the National Library in Kildare St. to view townland of Corraun in the Dillon Map Collection.Kew London hold the Irish Loan funds which hold information on people who took out loans. Some of these may have relative information. Unfortunately I have no contact in London interested in the Genealogy side.

Have you ever checked Tullys in Australia. There might be some there. They have very good records. I believe the early Wincinsin Death records can be very informative.

Hello again!

Oh, that it interesting about Ann Tully marrying William Connolly from Carnacarta.  I will be looking into this.  I'm not sure how to get the current addresses of people in Ireland.  Is there a website for this?  I believe that the only Tullys left in Kiltullagh in 1855 were in Ballybane.

I have seen that there was an Owen and John Tully living near Williamstown in the Tithes Books, and more in 1855 and in 1901.  I also saw on the LDS site that there was a James Tully in the Galway jail for contempt of court in 1882.  The record said that he was born in 1842 in Kiltulla but his address in 1882 was Williamstown.  So, I thought that some Tullys moved from Kiltulla to the Williamstown area.  I will eventually contact this family too.

I would very much like to come to Ireland in June but I don't know if I'll be able to do that this year.  If not, I hope I will be able to do that in the following year. 

Thank you very much for all your help.

Sincerely,

Cindy Taupin

For Addresses in Ireland, Just use Name, Townland, Nearest town, County of nearest town. In the bigger towns you would need the house number and name of Street.

Hello,

I checked the Bekan records, County Mayo and there are a number of Tully marriages.

I can give you the particulars if you are interested.

Julie Ganley

Hello Julie,

I am interested in the Bekan marriages.  I know my gr gr grandparents were married in Annagh (Ballyhaunis) but there could be others married in Bekan. 

I don't know which of my relatives might have been married in Bekan but I don't want to exclude it because it's so close to Annagh.

Thank you very much for your help!

Cindy Taupin

Hi Cindy:

See below for the Bekan info, hope this is of interest.

BTW my grandparents were born and raised in Ballyhaunis.

Thomas Ganley and Mary Regan.

Julie Ganley

Feb  4- 1855
Michael Tully to Mary Grogan-pt-Michael Leonard, Ann Grogan

May 1 1857
Pat Tully to Bridget Greene-pt-James Walsh, Mary Waldron
 

The following information is for Cornacarta Townland Annagh Parish Co. Mayo.

Plot 21 John Tully 9 Acres 3 Roods 19 Perches went to Catherine Tully in 1883 then went to Luke Tully in 1893.

Plot 24a Bartly Snr went to Michael Tully Snr in 1876 then to James Tully in 1902

Plot 24b Bartly - unclear how this passed but at one stage Patrick's name had replaced Bartly.

Plot 24C Patrick Tully Jnr passed to Margaret Tully in 1876 then same as above Catherine Tully's name had replaced Margaret.

I was checking the book for some of my own information and had just time for a very quick look. It might be of some use to you until you get sight of the original pages and have plenty of time to study them. This should bring you up to the 1901 Census Records. You might pick up the balance of the information from then on locally.

The above information it will give you an idea of what years to check Death Certs.

When this is compared to the Census records (I will just use the names of the Heads of the 4 Tully Families in Cornacarta - both for the 1901 and 1911 Census)

It appears John Tully's holding (Wife's name possibly Catherine) passed on to Luke Tully, 34 His wife Ellen 32.   

It woul appear Bartley Snr went to James Tully age 34, Wife Kate as per 1901 and 1911 Census.

This leavs Bartly's passing on to Patrick Tully 52 in 1901 His Wife Mary 45and

lastly Patrick Tully's passing on to Kate 36 in 1901 Daughter Jane Who married a Prendergast approx 1911.This land may at a later stage passed on to Prendergast name?

These are only guidelines for your research after a quick examination of the Cancelled Land Valuations.

Hello!

I didn't know this kind of information was available!  When I go to the Wisconsin Irish Center tomorrow, I will try to get help understanding it all.  I didn't know there was a Bartly Sr and Jr, for example. 

I can tell you that Catherine Tully (with daughter Jane) was my grandfather's oldest sister, and she was the daughter of Patrick Jr. and Margaret (Grogan) Tully.  Jane's father was Michael Pendergast but he left and Catherine kept her maiden name.  Jane Pendergast married Thomas Jordan and they continued living on the same land and in the same house which Catherine grew up in.  This might help understanding the passing on of land.

Thank you so much for the information.  I hope I will understand it somewhat better tomorrow.

Sincerely,

Cindy Taupin

The Green Papers held in the National Archives in Bishop St in Dublin can be another source of information. When people applied for the Pension when it was first introduced approx. 1917 many applicants were asked to prove their age. If no church record existed they were allowed to use the 1840 - 1850 Census information to see if they were mentioned. The information for their family was transcribed onto a green form stamped and they could take tis to enable then to get the pension if their name was listed. All of the original Census documents were lost but the Green papers survived. Ref number Cen's/21/848 &849 &850 &851 refer to a Tully/Hosty marriage of Cornacarta. It was information from the 1851 Census.

Not too many of these exist - This is the only one for the townland of Cornacarta.

This is all the information on the index which I have. But if you get the original file it will have the full family details all members and their ages.

I am not sure if you can order online?

Hello Julie,

Thank you for the information.  I am not too deep yet into my Grogan side but I'm starting to look.  I will keep note of the records you referred to for future reference. 

However, I was wondering what you meant by "pt".  I guess this would mean the witnesses.  I was interested in the name Leonard which is mentioned.  There was a James Tully (Cornacarta, Annagh) whose marriage record of 1898 gives his parents as Michael Tully and Bridget Leonard. 

So, I'll be trying to piece this all together when I get more into my Grogan ancestors.  I've been told also that there was a Tom Grogan related to us.

By the way, I've started to look into Austin Grogans of Annagh and Bekan parishes.  My grandfather's name was Austin Tully and I believe this name came from his mother's side (Margaret n?e Grogan).  I have seen an Austin born in 1846 in Bekan (father Patrick Grogan, mother Bridget), and another born in 1853 in Annagh (father Michael Grogan, mother not given).

My Great grandparents Patrick Tully and Margaret Grogan were married in 1854, St Patrick's church, Ballyhaunis, and lived in Cornacarta townland, Annagh.

Many thanks for any other information which you may come across.

Sincerely,

Cindy

Hi Cindy,

Yes, I assume that pt means the witnesses.

These are often good clues when chasing down names, as witnesses were often family members.

Happy to share if I come across any other info!

Julie

Hi Cindy,

Yes, I assume that pt means the witnesses.

These are often good clues when chasing down names, as witnesses were often family members.

Happy to share if I come across any other info!

Julie

Hello again!

The cancelled land valuations you gave me are very interesting.  I have tried to access them myself but I must not be using the site correctly as I didn't manage to do it.

I would really appreciate it if you could help me to understand a couple of things about the Griffith's Val.  I have seen that John Tully had a land + house(21a).  Patrick Tully Sr, Bartly, and Patrick Jr had a land +house and all were included in a large bracket (24).  However, Bartly (24b) was not included in the smaller brackets which had a cottage as well, so would this mean he is not a son of Pat Sr or perhaps a brother?  From this information, would you say that John and Patrick Tully were the 2 brothers who came from Co Rosc (the family story)?  And that Bartly and Patrick Jr were children of Pat Sr?  Or maybe the story of the 2 brothers was talking about Bartly and Pat Jr? Would you say that John Tully was already married in 1855 since he had his own house?

Also, you talked about a Bartly Sr and Jr on the Cancelled Land Vals.  If the Bartly in Griffiths was the Sr, then maybe he and Pat Sr were the 2 brothers.  How old did children need to be before they were put on the Griffiths?  If they were only 14 years old, it could help me to find possible relationships. (Is it sure that there were both a Bartly Sr and Jr?)

The placename "Carrick" has come up in the records.  It seems that this would be either Carrickacat or Carrickmacantire (both bordering on Cornacarta).  However, there was also a Carrickahol in the Culnacleha vicinity in the Tithe Applot books which is no longer listed in 1855. 

In the 1901/1911 censuses, besides my own ancestors Catherine Tully and daughter Jane Pendergast, the other Tullys with houses there were James, Luke, and Patrick.  James (m. Kate McDonnell), son of Michael Tully (who was the son of Bartly Sr from what you said), was born in Carrick abt 1867.   Luke (m. Ellen Flaherty) was also born in Carrick (abt 1867).  His father was John Tully, I believe - (John + Catherine Hosty probably). (To confuse matters more, the marriage record of Luke gives his father's name as "Patrick John".  But as you noted, Luke received the land from Catherine, wife of John Tully.)

I don't know where Patrick (born abt 1849, m. Mary Ferick) was born but his father was Bartholomew on his marriage record.

I have seen a death record for Bart. Tully (1822 -  1882), address Carrick, reported by wife Honor.  I'm wondering if this could be the Tully who married a Narry girl (family story) but I haven't found any records for this.  There was a James Narry in Curnacartha in 1833 and the locals called this place "Ballynarry" (my cousin there says).  There is a death record for Margaret Tully (1882), address Ballynarry, reported by "son" John.  I thought this was my g. grandmother except she didn't have a son John.  Maybe John wasn't her son, but a nephew? 

Any help you could give me to understand these relationships would be greatly appreciated!!!  Thanks very much. 

Sincerely, Cindy Taupin

PS.  Just one more question!  Does the passing of land generally coincide with the death of the owner or can it happen earlier on?  For example, 24a passed from Bartly to Michael in 1876 but the death record of Bartly in Carrick was in 1882.  (But, maybe these aren't the same Bartlys since he lived in Carrick and not Cornacarta!!)

I have attached four files - Green Papers which are 1851 Census extracts taken out in 1920/21, before they were destroyed.

The handing over of Land in the Land Registry is anyons guess. usually it coincided with death but other factors might have intervened i.e. ones state of health, being senile etc.  

I have attached four files - Green Papers which are 1851 Census extracts taken out in 1920/21, before they were destroyed.

The handing over of Land in the Land Registry is anyons guess. usually it coincided with death but other factors might have intervened i.e. ones state of health, being senile etc.  

I have attached four files - Green Papers which are 1851 Census extracts taken out in 1920/21, before they were destroyed.

The handing over of Land in the Land Registry is anyons guess. usually it coincided with death but other factors might have intervened i.e. ones state of health, being senile etc.  

I have attached four files - Green Papers which are 1851 Census extracts taken out in 1920/21, before they were destroyed.

The handing over of Land in the Land Registry is anyons guess. usually it coincided with death but other factors might have intervened i.e. ones state of health, being senile etc.  

Hello again!

Thank you very much for sending me these copies.  They are very interesting!  I'm assuming the list of names on the left side of 2 of the papers is a list of the siblings!  If so, then Owen and Catherine were the 1st children of John & Catherine (Hosty) Tully.  My gr grandfather (Patrick Jr) also named his 1st two children Owen and Catherine.  So, maybe John and Patrick Jr were both sons of Patrick Sr, and their grandparents were Owen and Catherine.

That leaves Bartly, the other resident of plot 24, Cornacarta, as unaccounted for.  Also, although he is included in plot 24 (large brackets), he is not included in the "cottage" part of the smaller brackets.  I don't know if that could mean anything in particular.

I had heard that the Luke Tully family had moved to Kilmaine and the extract about Catherine Tully tells me that they moved before 1920 which is good to know.  Luke had received John Tully's holding in 1893.  In the 2nd extract about Catherine, I can't really read the address but it looks like it might be "The Sanatarium" in Whitehall.

Do you know why there would be a Luke (1) and (2) and the same for the 2 Margarets?  Maybe the 1st one died young?

Well, this information has been very helpful.  Maybe I can get to the bottom of this mystery after all.

I wanted to mention that my cousin, Ann Mullarkey in Cornacarta, thinks she had your father as her teacher when she was 12 years old.  That is, if your father is Tom Meehan.  Ann's parents were Mary Ellen and Ned Hayes.  My brother, Brian Tully Schmidlin, when visiting the Hayes in 1972, went to the same schoolhouse (Ann's class) to observe how teaching was done there.  He was a young teacher  himself at the time.  Thought you might be interested in that!

Many thanks again, and I'm looking forward to hearing if you come up with any other information. 

Sincerely,

Cindy Taupin

Hi Cindy,

Say Hello to Ann for me. It is years since I saw her. Tom was my father. 

The Address you queried was The Secretary, Ministry of Health, Whitehall.

I will try and take photo of these records if I am in again to National Archives.

The original that they would have sent out holds much more accurate information. By any chance would one survive in Kilmaine or in Leeds. These are only summary extracts.

The Cancelled Land Valuations are not on line but they can be ordered at the following email

archive_mail@valoff.ie

You need to let them know County, Parish and Townland. They can photocopy the books and post them to you. If you have them at hand you can study them over and over as very often you will spot something different every time you go over them.

Has Ann spoken to Johnie Lyons. He has a wealth of local information.

Note: there is an underscore between archive and mail in the email address.

Here is the Lord Dillon Map of Part of Corraun called "An Dobbe" drawing March 1849. I got permission to make my own drawing from the original map from the National Library of Ireland. This is not to be published without permission of the NLI. Obviously my drawing is only such for 100% accuracy refer to the original map. It can be seen Patkrick Tully is in possession of Plot 6 which holds a Mill and corn Kiln. This mill was later known as Morgans Mill located about 2 Miles from Cloonfad along the Ballyhaunis road in the townland of Corraun known as Gurrane. It is at the Cloonfad end of the townland. Today Gurrane Pet farm is at the other end.

I have also attached a few photos of the Green Papers. As far as I can make out when names are listed on the left hand side it appears to be names submitted by the applicant. I would only go by the names on the Right hand side of the form to be sure. I cannot be sure for certain though.

2 Additional Green PAper Photos of Census extracts

Hello Martin,

Thank you very much for sending the interesting drawing of Corraun.  I heard from someone else that the Tully's were already in Cornacarta in 1851 when the land was sold to a different landlord.  It seems that John Tully and Catherine Hasty were married around 1847 (1st son Owen in 1848-50 from the Green Papers).  I don't know where they were married so I don't know if that would exclude the 1849 Patrick in Corraun.  However, there were Hasty's in Curnacartha in 1857.

It's interesting to me also that on the map there is a road to Dunmore on it.  There were Tullys in Conagher, Dunmore Parish, Co Galway.  In fact, it seems there were Tullys in a lot of locations in Co Roscommon, and also in nearby places such as Dunmore and Templetogher parishes.  The only Bartly Tully I've come across in Co Rosc is in Kilglass parish in the Tithes.  It seems like Kilglass would be too far away though!  The Bartly born in Levallyroe in 1841 (to John Tully and Mary Gilfoyle) seems to be too young to be the one in Cornacarta in 1857.

I relayed your message to Ann Mullarkey.  She was happy to hear from you!  She is going to talk to Johnie Lyons as you suggested.

The other green papers attachments you last sent seem to be the same as the previous ones.  I will have to try and see the originals as you suggested, and also write for the land cancellations.  I have a lot of things to do so I don't think my search will be concluded any time soon!

Thank you for all your help.  Little by little the names are being filled in!

Cindy