WADE - LYNCH

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Hello Silvia,

I’m not related but found the Moyvore Catholic Church baptism transcriptions and copies of original baptism records for two children of Michael Wade and Mary Anne Lynch.

These children are Catherine (1836); and Patrick (1844). The transcription were uncovered at the Find My Past (FMP) website, which is a subscription based website, with the exception that you are not charged to look for Catholic Parish baptisms, marriages, and death/burial transcriptions.

Attached to the transcriptions are links that take you to copies of the original church records held by the National Library of Ireland.

Michael and Mary Anne’s daughter “Catharine Wadde” was baptized in the Moyvore Catholic Parish on 21 January 1836. You can view the transcription at the following FMP website: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F4560182

The transcription erroneously gives Mary Anne’s maiden name as “Lynne,” rather than Lynch.

To access a copy of Catharine’s original Moyvor baptism record go to the following National Library of Ireland link: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000635251#page/30/mode/1up

There are two facing pages of the baptism register. Catharine’s baptism is on the left-hand page, 6th entry down from the top. You can enlarge the page by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

Catharine’s godparents are John Bacon and Bridget Lynch. Bridget Lynch may have been Mary Lynch’s sister.

Next, Patrick Wade was baptized in the Moyvore Catholic Parish on 23 April 1844. His FMP baptism transcription can be found at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F6185180

A copy of Patrick’s original baptism record is the 5th entry up from the bottom of the left-hand register page at:
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000635251#page/64/mode/1up

The names of Patrick’s godparents are difficult to read. The name of the godfather looks like Patrick Wynne. The first name of the godmother is Julia. I couldn’t decipher her last name with any confidence.

The Wynne family may have been related to either the Wade or Lynch families, or may have been close friends, as a Daniel Wynne was one of the witnesses at the 1833 Moyvore marriage of Michael Wade and Mary Anne Lynch.

According to the National Library of Ireland, Moyvore Catholic registers of baptism are only available beginning 5 September 1831. Marriage records for the parish commence on 12 February 1832. There are also parish death records, which begin on 6 August 31. The deaths are recorded until 5 September 1865, but there are gaps in the death registers from April 1852 to May 1863.

In going through the Moyvore baptism registers for the 1830s and 1840s, I also found there are gaps in these registers as well. That maybe is why I didn’t find the baptisms for more children of Michael Wade and Mary Anne Lynch. For example, the months of April and May for the year 1839 are missing. Many of these gaps in the baptism registers occurred during the famine years of 1845 through 1850. For example, baptisms for the year 1849 only cover the months of January, February, March, and June. The 1850 baptisms are only extent for the months of August, September, October, November, and December.

To view the full coverage of the Moyvore Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, and deaths, and to view a map of the Moyvore Catholic Parish, go to the National Library of Ireland link at: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0954

What this means is there will not be baptism records for Michael Wade or Mary Anne Lynch, or marriage records for their parents, as the Moyvore Parish registers do not go back far enough in time to have covered these events.

Back in the 19th century I believe that the majority of the Catholic Parish Churches did not keep burial records. The Moyvore Parish was different. While I didn’t find the burials of any Wades in the parish registers at the FMP website, I did locate 5 Lynch burials for the years 1832, 1833, 1834, 1837, and 1844. They may have been related to Mary Anne Lynch. To view an index of these burials go to the FMP link at: https://is.gd/P514rQ

The following link will bring you to a Google Map of Moyvore and the location of the Moyvore Catholic Church: https://is.gd/v9FPfc

For a Google Street View of the Moyvore Church see: https://is.gd/CgWPKy

For a Google Street View of the road to Moyvore, go to: https://is.gd/YmlEig

You can also view an Ordnance Survey Map of Moyvore from the 1837 to 1842 time period, and the location of the R.C. Chapel in Moyvore, by going to the GeoHive website link at: https://bit.ly/2BHBrop

The R.C. Chapel is in the upper right corner of the map just to the left of the plus + and minus – symbols.

For an enlarged view of the Village of Moyvore on the Ordnance Survey Map, go to: https://bit.ly/336MB1p

If you click on, “Close Menu,” you’ll see in the left-hand portion of the map, the location of the National School House. The children of Michael and Mary Anne Wade may have gone to school there.

For an enlarged view of the R.C. Chapel in Moyvore on the Ordnance Survey Map from 1837 to 1842, go to: https://bit.ly/3geg115

As you probably know, the name of the Moyvore Catholic Church is St. Patrick’s.

THE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOKS

Silvia, is the first name Philip or Phillip associated with any of your Wades? The reason I’m asking is that I found a Phil Wade residing in the townland of “Mayvore,” Civil Parish of Templepatrick, County Westmath, in an Irish land record known as the Tithe Applotment Books.

For a greater understanding of what the Tithe Applotment Books are, go to the National Archives of Ireland website links at:

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/about.jsp
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/aboutmore.jsp

The Tithe record for “Mayvore” was compiled in 1834, the year after Michael Wade and Mary Anne Lynch were married. To view the index of the Tithe Applotment Book record for Phil Wade, go to: https://is.gd/9cBDEQ

For a copy of the original Tithe Applotment Book entry for Phil Wade and other landholders in “Mayvore,” see:
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625723/00…

Phil Wade is the last entry on the Tithe page.

If you now go back up to the third entry on the Tithe Page, you’ll see P & O Lynch. This would refer to Patrick and Owen Lynch. This Owen Lynch could have been Mary Anne Lynch’s father, or perhaps brother.

You can see a separate entry for Owen Lynch in the Mayvore Tithe Book at the following: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625723/00…

Owen Lynch is the second landholder recorded on the page.

The next link will take you to a second entry for Patt Lynch in the Tithe Book. He is the second to the last landholder recorded on the page: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625723/00…

Michael Lynch was not recorded in the Tithe Book, probably because he did not pay to lease the property where he and Mary Anne resided. He and Mary Anne could have been living with his parents or her parents.

Do you think Philip Wade could have been Michael’s father or brother? Could Patrick Lynch have been Mary Anne’s father or brother? It’s possible that Michael and Mary Anne’s son Patrick, born and baptized in Moyvore in 1844, could have been named after Mary Anne’s father.

GRIFFITHS VALUATION

I next wanted to see if there were any Wades or Lynches in Moyvore as recorded in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation.

Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Movore and surrounding townlands in the Civil Parish of Templepatrick, was completed by the year 1854. I believe that Michael and Mary Anne Wade and their children were in Argentina by 1854, but Griffiths Valuation would show whether or not there were still “Occupiers,” or leaseholders named Wade and Lynch paying rent for property located in Moyvore.

Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman collecting the rent on Gale Day for the owner. This middleman was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

I found one Occupier named Wdae leasing property in Moyvore recorded in Griffiths Valuation. This was Maria Wade. The Griffiths Valuation transcription for Maria Wade in Moyvore, from the Ask About Ireland website, is below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 35-10
Civil Parish: Templepatrick
Townland: Village of Moyvore
Occupier: Maria Wade
Immediate Lessor: Edward Grogan, M.P.
Description of Tenement: House (dilapidated)
Area of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 10 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 10 Shillings
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Griffiths valuation shows that Maria Wade leased a “dilapidated” house in Moyvore, from Edward Grogan, who was an M.P., or member of Parliament. The house was valued at 10 Shillings, but Maria would not have been required to paid a tax on the house, as only those properties valued over 5 Pounds were subject to the tax. In this case Edward Grogan would have paid a percentage of the value of the house toward the tax.

The term “dilapidated” in a Griffiths Valuation record means the house was scarcely habitable, according to an article, “Griffiths Valuation House Books,” by Dr. Robert Somerville Woodward. You can read the full article at: https://timeline.ie/griffiths-valuation-house-books/

My question is, could Maria have been Michael Wade mother, sister, or perhaps aunt. Was the dilapidated house she leased in Moyvore once the residence of Michael, Mary, and their children?

The other questions I have are: how did Maria live. She wasn’t a farmer as she did not lease land. Did she have any family left in Moyvore? She would still have had to pay rent on the dilapidated house, even though she was not required to pay a percentage of the tax levied on the house under Griffiths Valuation.

I believe that Edward Grogan would have been the owner of her property, rather than the middleman working for the owner, as he is listed as the Immediate Lessor for most of the property in the Village of Moyvore as well as the Moyvore environs.

The map number at the beginning of the the Griffiths Valuation entry for Maria Wade (35-10), refers to the location of the property in the Village of Moyvor on Ordnance Survey Map very similar to the one you saw above. The number 35 represents the whole village, while each individual Occupier is given an additional plot number following the number 35. Maria is 35-10. The individual plot numbers in the Griffiths Valuation Map, which I accessed from the Ask About Ireland website, are not shown on the map. I am not sure why. Maria is the only Wade in the Village. There are no Occupiers named Lynch recorded in Moyvore Village, but there are Lynch Occupiers in the outskirts of the village.

One of the Occupiers in Moyvore, named Patrick Lynch Jr. He leased two properties from Edward Grorgan, M.P. One of the properties consisted of a little over 30 acres of land, at map reference 14, valued at 19 Pounds. No house is with this property. See the Griffiths valuation entry below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 14
Civil Parish: Templepatrick
Townland: Moyvore
Occupier: Patrick Lynch, jun.
Immediate Lessor: Edward Grogan, M.P.
Description of Tenement: Land
Area of Land: 30 Acres, 0 Roods, 10 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 19 Pounds
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: -
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 19 Pounds
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Patrick would have paid a percentage of the 19 Pounds toward the tax, as the land was valued over 5 Pounds.

At map reference 15a, Patrick Lynch jr. leased a house, offices, and over 4 acres of land valued at 5 Pounds and 15 Shillings. The house and offices were valued at 1 Pound, bringing the total valuation of the lease to 6 Pounds and 15 Shillings. See below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 15a
Civil Parish: Templepatrick
Townland: Moyvore
Occupier: Patrick Lynch jr.
Immediate Lessor: Edward Grogan, M.P.
Description of Tenement: House, offices, and land
Area of Land: 4 Acres, 2 Roods, 24 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 5 Pounds, 15 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 1 Pound
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 6 Pounds, 15 Shillings
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An “office” in a Griffiths Valuation record could refer to any type of outhouse, such as a barn, stable, piggery, blacksmith shop, etc.

Another Occupier named Patrick Lynch, (it is not recorded if he was junior or senior) leased two properties at map reference 21 Aa, and 21 B in Moyvore. These properties were also leased from Edward Grogan, M.P. The first property consisted of a house and office valued at 10 Shillings, as well as over 4 acres of land valued at 5 Pounds and 10 Shillings. The second property was over 2 acres of land, valued 3 Pounds, 10 Shillings. The total valuation for both properties is 9 Pounds, 10 Shillings.

I was curious as to who Edward Grogan, M.P. was, and so I found a brief biography of him at Wikipedia:
https://is.gd/ftPiy8

Nnext, I found the death record of a Patrick Lynch of Moyvore, who may be one of the Patrick Lynches in the Tithe Applotment Books or Griffiths Valuation entries noted above. The death record comes from the free irishgenealogy.ie website. The website has digitized copies of Irish Civil Registration death records from 1878 to 1969.

Patrick’s death record is attached to this reply and shows that he died in Moyvore on June 28, 1897. The death record shows he was a widower. His age at death looks like 80. The cause of death was “Old age. Six months. “No med att,” means no medical attention. The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was Patrick’s son, Thomas Lynch, of Moyvore. The registrar, J. Whyte, recorded Patrick’s death in the Ballymahon Registration District on 9 July 1897. Once you click on the attachment, you’ll have to scroll down the page to come to Patrick’s death. His is the only death recorded in the register.

The 1897 death record for Patrick Lynch shows that his son was Thomas, living in Moyvore. I next looked for Thomas Lynch in the 1901 census, to see if he was still residing in Moyvore. I found a 40 year old Thomas Lynch in the 1901 census in Moyvore, but he could not be Patrick’s son, as Thomas was living in the household of his mother, 70 year old Ellen Lynch, who could not have been Patrick’s wife, as Patrick’s death record shows he was a widower.

The 1901 census shows the family of Ellen Lynch were, “Residents of a house 8 in Moyvore, (Templepatrick, Westmeath.)”

Ellen is shown to be the head of the family, as well as a Roman Catholic born in Westmeath. Her occupation is Housekeeper. She could read and write.

Her oldest adult child in the household is her 42 year old daughter, Marianne. She could read and write. She was not married. Next in the household is the aforementioned Thomas Lynch, who could also read and write. He was not married.

The youngest in the household is 36 year old James Lynch, who could read and write. He was not married.

You can view a transcription of the 1901 census from National Archives of Ireland at the following link:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Templepatric…

Once the census transcription downloads, make sure to click on, “Show all information” to view the full census page. You can view a copy of the original 1901 census for the Lynch family at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001254238/

By the 1911 census 47 year old James Lynch and his 52 year old sister Mary are the only Lynches residing in Moyvore. The census shows that James is a farmer and a grocer, and that Mary Anne is a grocer. Both were single. You can view a transcription of the census at the following National Archives of Ireland link:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Templepatric…

A copy of the original 1911 census for James and Mary Anne Lync can be viewed at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003528751/

The ages of people in the 1901 as well as the 1911 census enumerations were not always accurate. The age of a person in Irish death records were not always precise either. For instance, I found Thomas Lynch’s death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website, showing he died in Moyvore on October 4, 1901 at the age of 43. In the 1901 census, his age was 40. The census was taken on 31 March, just 7 before Thomas’s death. He was probably between the age of 40 and 45 when he died. The cause of death was “Chronic Bright’s Disease. Years. Broncho Pneumonia five days. Certified.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was a servant named Mary McCormack of Moyvore. The registrar, J.W. Whyte recorded Thomas’s death in the Ballymahon Registration District on 15 November 1901. Thomas’s death is at Number 256 in the attached death register.

In the 1901 census Mary Lynch is shown to be 70 years old. I found her death record showing that she died in Moyvore on December 24, 1903. At the time of death she was an 81 year old “Farmer’s Widow.” This would place her birth circa 1822, if her age is accurate in the death record.

The cause of death was “Debility One year. No med Attn.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was Kate Ward of Ballincurra. The registrar, J. W. Whyte recorded Ellen’s death in the Ballymahon Registration District on 1 January 1904. Ellen’s death is the first one recorded in the attached death register at Number 372.

The Lynches in the 1901 and 1911 census enumerations and death records were very likely related to your Mary Anne Lynch Wade, who emigrated to Argentina with her family.

Speaking of Argentina, I found the marriage index at the Ancestry.com website for your great grandfather, 29 year old Eugenio Wade, who married Margarita Moran in San Jose, Arrecifes, Buenos Aires, on 11 February 1885. Eugenio’s parents are Miguel Wade and Maria Linch. You probably already have their marriage record.

The index is below:

Argentina, Select Marriages, 1722-1911

Name: Eugenio Wade
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birth Date: 1856
Marriage Date: 11 feb 1885
Marriage Place: San Jose, Arrecifes, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Father: Miguel Wade
Mother: Maria Linch

Spouse: Margarita Moran

FHL Film Number: 1099162

Source Information
Ancestry.com. Argentina, Select Marriages, 1722-1911 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
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There is a separate marriage index for 17 year old Margarita Moran, born in 1868, whose father was Juan Moran, and whose mother was Margarita Geoghegan:

Argentina, Select Marriages, 1722-1911

Name: Margarita Moran
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Birth Date: 1868
Marriage Date: 11 feb 1885
Marriage Place: San Jose, Arrecifes, Buenos Aires,Argentina

Father: Juan Moran
Mother: Margarita Geoghegan

Spouse: Eugenio Wade

FHL Film Number: 1099162

Source Information
Ancestry.com. Argentina, Select Marriages, 1722-1911 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
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I next found the Wade/Moran family in the Argentina Censo Nacional, 1895 (the 1895 Argentina National Census). I believe this census entry is for your great grandparents. The census comes from both FamilySearch and Ancestry.com, and is included in two attachments. The first census attachment shows the enumeration of the family of 40 year old Eugenio Wade, whose occupation is, “Comerciante,” (Merchant); his 27 year old wife Margarita Moran; and two of their children, 9 year old Catalina Wade; and 7 year old Mariana Wade. All were born in Argentina, and all were residing in Buenos Aires. The enumeration of the family can be found beginning on Line 12 of the census page to Line 15, which is the last entry on the page. Other members of the family continue on the next page, which is also included as a second census attachment. The attachments are labeled Argentina 1895 Census 1 and Argentina 1895 Census 2.

The names and ages of Eugenio and Margarita’s children found in census attachment 2, Line 1 to Line 5 are: 5 year old Margarita Wade; 3 year old Migel Wade; a 1 year old child whose first name I could not make out; and 6 year old Luisa Wade. There also appears to be another resident in the household, 17 year old Emiliani Morales, also employed as a “Comerciante,” or Merchant. Emiliani was born in Argentina.

At first the census threw me off a little, until I realized that Eugene Wade’s wife, Margarita Moran, kept her maiden name after marriage, which was and perhaps still is the custom of Spanish speaking peoples.

I also found a person who may be Michael and Mary Anne Wade’s son in the 1895 Argentina census. This if for the family of 52 year old Felipe (Philip) Wade and his 36 year old wife, Maria, and their 7 children. The census shows that Felipe was born in Ireland, while his wife Maria and their children were all born in Argentina. The census shows that Felipe was employed as a “Hacendado,” or farmer.

One of the questions the 1895 census askes is, “Cuantos hijos ha tenido,” that is, “How many children have you had?” On the census line for their mother Maria, the answer is 10. The other question the census asks is, “Cuántos años de matrimonio tienne,” or, “How many years of marriage do you have?” The answer on the census line for Maria is 22, for 22 years, placing their year of marriage in 1873.

The children in the household are 19 year old Margarita Wade; 17 year old Catalina Wade; and 11 year old Felipe Wade. The other children of Felipe and Maria Wade are residing in Santa Fe, but are still recorded in the census with their parents and siblings. They are 8 year old Tiani Wade; 7 year old Honoria Wade; 3 year old Patricio Wade; and 1 year old Enriqueta Wade. I do not know why these children were living in Santa Fe, while the rest of their family were residents of Bueno Aires.

The Wade family begins on Line 1 of the census and ends on Line 9.

The census is attached to this reply and is labeled “Felipe and Maria Wade 1895 Census.”

Silvia, I wasn’t sure if you had the 1895 Argentina census enumerations, and that’s why I’ve included them in the attachments.

I looked for the marriage index for Felipe Wade and Maria at Ancestry.com’s “Argentina, Select Marriages, 1722-1911,” but didn’t find it.

But I did locate sources online about the Irish immigrating to Argentina. I did not know a lot about the Irish in Argentina, except for information I saw in a documentary about revolutionary leader and confidant of Fidel Castro, Ernesto Che Guevara, born in Rosario, Argentina, was a descendant of an 18th century immigrant from Galway, named Patrick Lynch, who owned property in Rio de la Plata. Che’s father was Ernesto Guevara Lynch

The sources I found for the Irish in Argentina are noted below:

Irish Settlers in Argentina, based on information published by Eduardo Coghlan's Los, “Irlandeses en la Argentina: Su Actuación y Descendencia” (Buenos Aires, 1987): http://www.irlandeses.org/settlers.htm

The Irish road to Argentina Published in 18th-19th Century Social Perspectives, 18th–19th - Century History, Features, Issue 3 (Autumn 2004), Volume 12:
https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/the-irish-road…

Within and beyond the Empire: Irish settlement in Argentina (1830-1930)
Edmundo Murray, Society for Irish Latin American Studies, University of Zurich: https://archives.history.ac.uk/history-in-focus/Migration/articles/murr…

Irish in Argentina: Not always a successful diaspora story, Dr Sarah O'Brien: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/irish-in-argentina-not…

The Irish Settlers in Argentina source noted above includes links to the names of many of the settlers from Ireland who settled in Argentina, including the Wades from Moyvore, Wstmeath.

Earlier I had asked if Michael and Mary Anne Wade had a son named Philip. One of the Wades listed in the Irish Settlers in Argentina list of names is Philip Wade, born in Moyvore in 1843. I believe he would be Michael and Mary’s son. He married a Burke. He died in 1907. The other Wades in the list of immigrants from Moyvore are included below. The list includes the person’s name, last names of their spouses, their year of immigration, year of marriage if known, and the years of their death:

Brigid Wade, born Moyvore 1839, married a Byrne, no date of arrival in Argentina, died 1919
Mary Wade, born Moyvore 1830, married a Casey in 1858, arrived in Argentina in 1857, died 1918
Catherine Wade, born Moyvore 1839, married a Lynch, no date of arrival in Argentina, died 1874
Michael Wade, born Moyvore 1811, married a Lynch, no date of arrival in Argentina, died in 1886
Patrick Wade, born Moyvore 1845, married a Regan, died 1890
Michael Wade, born Moyvore 1846, no marriage name listed, died 1919
Philip Wade, born Moyvore 1843, married a Burke, died 1907
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The other Wades in the list are:

Tomás Wade, no birth year given, married a Kehoe in 1909, died 1947
George Wade, born 1863, no other information recorded.

There is also a link in the Irish Settlers in Argentina article that takes you to the database, “Irish Passengers to Argentina (1822-1929).” I looked for Michael and Mary Anne Wade and any children born in Ireland, in the Irish Passengers to Argentina database, but did not find them.

Going back to Irish records I looked for the deaths of any Wades who may have died in Moyvore, Westmeath, but did not find any. I searched from the year 1878 well into the 20th century.

You have a very interesting family history Silvia. You must be very proud of your Irish and Argentine ancestors.

With Best Wishes,

Dave Boylan

Hello Dave!!!!!

I must first say THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!, for besides your very interesting findings, I can imagine, you've spent a lot of time on this incredible research.

It'll also take me time to go through all this info.  

I already have the records for the Wade's & Lynch's in Argentina,  and I very much appreciate all your findings in irish registers. 

I've been very lucky every time I posted in Ireland Reaching Out.  Volunteers have always been very helpful.

And as you say Dave, mine and many other immigrants to Argentina stories, are very interesting.  We are the biggest Spanish speaking irish community of the Diaspora.

I have irish roots on both, my mother and my father's lines.  I'm either 3rd, 4th, or 5th. generation born in Argentina, depending on the ancestor I consider.  They all emigrated in different times. And for example my parents were 2nd. cousins, so there are many "crosses".

My mother Wade McLoughlin. Her parents:  Wade Moran (origin in Moyvore-Westmeath and Knockagh-Carrickedmond-Longford)  and McLoughlin Flood (origin in Ballymore-Westmeath and Forgney-Longford)

My father Fleming Lynch.  His parents:  Fleming-Clavin (Ireland, ?) and Lynch Moran (Moyvore-Westmeath and Knockagh-Carrickedmond-Longford)

I've visited Ireland 4 times.  The first two, when I was a teenager, for my mother used to take english pupils to Ireland.  And after 37 years, I went back in 2017 when, after many years searching, I finally found and met McLoughlin relatives in Ballymore. It was an amazing trip and experience. The McLoughlins didn't even know that one of them had arrived in Argentina in 1872, for the rest of the family left Ireland for America, and apparently stayed there.  We haven't found them yet. 

And I was last in Ireland in 2019, for I belong to the Hurling Club here, and I went to the GAA World Games in Waterford, with our men's gaelic football team.  And fortunately after the Games, I was able to visit and stay with other McL relatives, I hadn't yet met, in Ballymore.

Thank you once more Dave.

We keep in touch.

Stay safe. Regards,

Silvia

 

 

 

Hi Silvia,

Many thanks for your reply. Yours was one of the more interesting projects I have done concerning Irish genealogy, especially with the Argentine connection. I do not believe many people are aware that so many Irish went to Argentina in the 19th century.

Getting to Ireland must have been a thrill for you. The first time to Ireland, I think, would be one of the most unforgettable experiences, though traveling with the GAA lads in itself, must have been an unforgettable experience all on its own. They must have been fun to with.

Almost all my male cousins in Ireland were/are Garda, or police. Boy could they pack away the Guinness, on or off duty, behind the wheel, or not. One of my Garda cousins weighed in at 300 pounds, and was the body guard for Prime Minister Charles Haughey back in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Another of my cousins as well as a good friend, was Joe Harrington, also a Garda. He was from Dungarvan, Waterford. He was a hurler in his younger days. He knew the Clancy brothers when they were all alive, as they came from the Waterford/South Tipperary area. I spent many a day in Waterford with Joe and friends, including Bobby Clancy, as he and my cousin Joe were grand friends.

I feel very sad for Ireland today, especially the B&B owners, as most of their income is from tourism. Tourism in Ireland is a multi-million dollar industry, that has virtually dried up during the Covid pandemic. I've always made it a point to stay at B&Bs, especially farmhouse B&Bs when visiting Ireland (I'm from the U.S.). The B&B owbers can use the income. I don't believe I've ever stayed in a hotel in Ireland, and never plan to do so if the country ever opens up.

In the near or far future, if there are any records you would like me to look for, please do not hesitate to write. Civil birth records in full are available from 1864 to 1919, marriages are available from 1846 to 1943, and death records from 1878 to 1969.

Thank you again for writing Silvia. It is very much appreciated, as over half the people I respond to, do not even acknowledge that they’ve received the information I located about their ancestors in Ireland.

With Very Best Wishes,

Dave

Hola dave! Mi abuela es descendiente de la familia wade por parte de Philip wade me encantaría saber mas sobre su rama!!