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My Great Great Great Grandfather Robert Brown emmigrated to Canada in  around 1828 to 1831,  I have found a entry in the Arch diocese index of Armagh.  Robert Brown married Margaret Hudson in 1826 . that is the only information listed in the record.  I am attaching a copy of that record.  My question is How do I find a copy of the marriage licence?  Would his diocese still have a record of this?  How would I contact them and ask this question?  I understand that the records where centralized, but is it possible the diocese would have a local record of some sort?  I am struggling with finding anything from Ireland.   any advise would be appreciated.   attached is the only concrete evidence I have found.   Robert was born in 1797 and Margaret in 1805. Robert died at 37 years of age in Canada .  Robert and Margaret had four children, Robert, Joseph, Margaret and Mary Ann.   The possible names of Roberts parents are William and Rachel but it is only what I have heard, I have never found any evidence to that. I have always been told they where from Armagh possibly in Shankill.  I do not understand the structure of where they where from I think it is Ireland/ulster/armagh/shankill or armagh.  Can you help?

Wednesday 14th Aug 2013, 12:59AM

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    Wednesday 14th Aug 2013, 09:49AM
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    I assume that the marriage was in the Church of Ireland. The records haven?t all been centralised (though some early records were sent to Dublin for safekeeping in the 1880s and were subsequently lost in a fire). A copy of the Armagh church records still exists and is held by PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. You could contact them and ask them if they will send you a copy of the marriage entry in the church register. Their records cover the following years:

    C.I. Armagh (Armagh diocese) Baptisms, 1750-58 and 1775-1871; marriages, 1750-58 and 1776-1845; burials, 1750-58, 1770-75 and 1804- 71, with gaps; confirmations, 1824-70.

    The originals may still be held by the church. So again you could write to the church. Or you could get a researcher to look the records up. In all 3 options there is likely to be a fee involved. Here?s a link to the PRONI website:

    http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/research_and_records_held/can_someone_else_do_research_for_me.htm

    If you intend writing to the church, here?s their website:

    http://ireland.anglican.org/information/dioceses/60

    Marriage records from the 1820s vary in the amount of information they hold. It will normally have the couples names and their two witnesses. It might have the couples parishes (for the Church of Ireland, one party at least had to reside within the parish where the marriage took place). It might have their townlands (addresses) but often not. And it might have their fathers names. But not always.

    Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church, so that?s where you might expect to find her baptism and that of her siblings. However if the husband was of a different denomination or from a different parish, then the couple?s own children may be baptised at his church, rather than the one where they married. However you could still look for them in Armagh on the offchance that it was both parties church.

    If in fact they lived in Shankill parish, then you?ll need to search there too. The following records exist at PRONI:

    C.I. Shankill (Christ Church) (Dromore diocese) Baptisms, 1681-1872; marriages, 1676-1845; burials, 1675-1857 and 1866-77; vestry minutes, 1672-1960.

    The Church of Ireland and the RC church have divided the country into a series of administrative areas, each headed by a bishop, and subdivided into parishes. So there?s a parish of Armagh and nearby another of Shankill, each with its own Minister/ Priest. All of the parishes in that area fall within the archdiocese of Armagh, headed by a bishop and in fact an Archbishop since Armagh is the religious capital of Ireland.

    Church boundaries (a religious matter) don?t necessarily match county boundaries (which are for civil administrative purposes) and for example Shankill straddles counties Armagh & Down.

    Ahoghill Antrim

    Wednesday 14th Aug 2013, 12:25PM

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