Looking for Patterson family in Armargh

The civil registration areas did not follow county boundaries. Consequently quite a bit of Armagh was covered by Castleblaney registration area. Though the 1852 marriage was registered in Castleblaney, you will probably find it took place in Co Armagh.

I?d suggest you order a copy of that certificate to get the family?s townlands (address), fathers name and occupation etc. That should enable to you to trace them back. Tradition was also to marry in the bride?s church (which will be on the marriage certificate unless it was a registry office ceremony). So that would be the place to look for her baptism and that of any siblings.

You can order a photocopy of the marriage certificate from GRO Roscommon for 4 euros. http://www.groireland.ie/

I looked in Griffiths Valuation for Armaghbrague in 1864 but there are no Henderson or Patterson families listed so evidently they had moved away from that townland by that year.

I have a copy of the certificateit states that Andrew and Sarah were married on 10 february 1852 Castleblaney Parish of Muckroe Co. Monaghan, in the Parish by rites of the United Church of England and Ireland after  banns. Andrew of Armabrague father George and Sarah a servant of Annadampi (?) father Samuel. Woukld this give any furtyer ocating the families? Thank you for your posting

Regarding the deaths of 2 George Pattersons. My Aunt who cared for my grandfather Treloar after Agnes his wife died in 1914. Agnes was a daughter of Andrew and Sarah used to rell me that the Patterson's had a weaving mill in Ireland so it may have been Andrew's (grand father or father) a George who was described as a merchant who died about 1836, and the other George his brother/father  who died in 1866.

Are there any directories that show derails of weaving mills and ownership available for the 1820/30 period when the family I am interested in were in County Armagh? Is the record in 1866 obtainable ovr the interenet or would i need to contact an official office to obtain a copy please?

We toured Ireland in 2000 on a Trafalgar Tour and the guide told us several things but one which struck a chord with me was about the transplantation in Elizabeth 1st reign which took land from the Irish people and gave it to Scottish and english families. This still obviously hurts the Irish folk even toda, many yers later. So from that comment made in 2000 I began to wonder whether my patterson family was originally from Scotland and were part of the transplantaion era.

Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church, so if the marriage took place in Monaghan, that suggests she was living there at that time. (In a Church of Ireland marriage, at least one party must reside in the parish where the ceremony takes place). Since she was a servant chances are she was working for a family in the townland on the marriage certificate, which I suspect was Aghnadamph in the parish of Muckno. She was almost certainly Church of Ireland but it doesn?t necessarily follow that Andrew was. However he might have been. Perhaps you know? (It matters if you are to search the correct church records).

Armaghbrague is in the parish of Lisnadill. There appear to be 2 Church of Ireland churches in that parish. One at Armaghbrague itself and the other at Aghavilly. Armaghbrague?s early records have all been lost and they have nothing before the 1870s.  Aghavilly?s start in 1844 (long after Andrew & Sarah would have been born) so they may not be of great use either. They might contain marriages for Andrew & Sarah?s siblings though, if that was the church both families attended.

Copies of the Aghavilly parish records are held in PRONI, Belfast.

If the Pattersons & Hendersons were farmers then you may find them in the tithe applotment records for Armabrague (1820/30s). However if they were agricultural labourers or weavers, then they are unlikely to be listed and you may struggle to find any earlier documentary records for them.

I looked for George Patterson deaths 1864 ? 1900, registered in Armagh (which covers the townland of Armaghbrague). Death registration only started in 1864 so if he died before that it won?t be listed (though it might be in the Church of Ireland burial records). There was only 1 statutory death of anyone of an age to be Andrew?s father. Death registered 1866 Armagh volume 16, page 27. Estimated year of birth 1798.

There?s also a record of a George Patterson of Armagh who was a merchant and whose will was probated in 1836. Can?t say whether there is any connection and the original papers have all been destroyed.

There?s a couple of Samuel Henderson deaths registered in Armagh who could just be Sarah?s father. One 1813 ? Jan ? Mar 1891, the other 1814 ? Oct ? Dec 1897.

Irish births, deaths and marriages are not viewable on-line anywhere. You have to order a copy from the registrar, either in Belfats or Roscommon. Roscommon is cheaper.  You can order a photocopy of that 1866 death cert from GRO Roscommon for ?4. Put the place, year, volume & page number on the application form (anywhere). http://www.groireland.ie/ You have to post or fax the form to them but they will e-mail the copy certificate to you if you wish. Put ?please e-mail to?..? clearly on the top of the form.

The only on-line directory for the area and time is Pigot?s for 1824. It lists about 4 towns in Co Armagh but no mills and no Pattersons are listed that I can see:

http://www.failteromhat.com/pigotu.htm

I am not sure whether a weaving mill in Armagh would have been commonplace in the 1830s. Originally most weaving was done at home, on small hand looms. Often in the winter when the family had spare time from other work. They would make up lengths of linen which they would then take to markets in places like Armagh or Markethill, and sell for cash (so providing a little ready money in an economy that was otherwise largely based on barter). Cash came in useful for purchasing things you couldn?t obtain by barter eg tobacco or a ticket to Australia, and this linen money was a reason why the standard of life in Ulster (where most linen was made) was slightly better than in the rest of Ireland. As the 1800s progressed big mechanised linen mills, powered by water or steam, were built. There were some in Co. Armagh eg in Bessbrook, Lurgan & Portadown. But I don?t think they were built till about the 1850s. These factories could make linen much more quickly than home weaving, and they also provided thousands of new and comparatively reasonably paid jobs, especially for women. So this basically killed off home based hand loom weaving, though some people continued right up until about 1900. So were there linen mills in Armagh in the 1830s? I am not sure. There would of course have been corn mills etc, every 10 miles or so, to grind all the corn and wheat grown by local farmers. Perhaps that?s what the Patterson?s had?

There?s a museum to linen making in Ulster, based in Lisburn, Co Antrim. I imagine they might be able to help you. You could e-mail them and ask if they know of any mills owned by Pattersons in Co. Armagh:

http://www.lisburncity.gov.uk/irish-linen-centre-and-lisburn-museum/

Here?s a link giving a little history about linen making in Armagh.

http://www.culturenorthernireland.org/article/703/the-industrial-herita…

Here?s another link that tells you a bit more about linen making:

http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/flax-plant.html

Yes I would say your Pattersons are likely to be descended from Scottish settlers. The name is Scottish, they were evidently protestant, and they lived in one of the counties that was heavily settled during the Plantation. If they turned out to have been Presbyterian at any time that would clinch it.

In the 1600s some 100,000 Scots settled in Ireland (representing about 10% of the entire Scottish population at the time). There are no records of the individuals who moved, save for the major land owners (known as undertakers because they undertook to build roads, houses and forts etc, as well as bring an agreed number of their Scottish & English tenants with them.) Many of those who settled in Co Armagh are known to have come from East Lothian and Midlothian (ie around Edinburgh). See:

http://www.thereformation.info/plantnire1610.htm

I wonder whether you could check to see if a death for a Mary Jane Patterson is also registered  in Armagh which an estimated birth date similar to George of 1798. We  believe George's spouse was Mary Jane Rolston before their marriage. If there is a registration which fits then I could request both copie at the same time. Thank you for your excellent help with my other requests.

I am hoping to find the origins of Samuel Patterson, born approx. 1829.  He married, in Canada in 1857 to Mary Ann Bradford (b.1823) from Armagh parish of Laughley  (spelling from her gravestone in Canada where she died in 1858). I would think that he might be from Armagh as well. Our census from 1861 lists him as Irish. I would be grateful for any clues on this line of ancestry.

G'day greetings from Adelaide Australia, I understand that George Patterson and Mary Jane Rolston are my partners distant ancestors just before part of the family moved to to Australia and the family then made a home near Williastown here not far from Adelaide (We still live nearby). I would not be surprised if there are headstones in the Williamstown Cemetery of the family members.

They became quite a large family as far as I can tell so far, and they certainly were well known in the town.

One line of Pattersons married into my partners ancestors (also from the same town of Williamstown - known earlier as Victoria Creek)

an extract:

Dean Lindsay Marr (1943 - 1970) Father of Vicki-Sue Marr (My Partner)

Marjorie Blanche Holmes (1916 - 1967) Mother of Dean Lindsay;

Margaret Harriet Patterson (1891 - 1930) Mother of Marjorie Blanche;

Joseph Patterson (1854 - 1932) Father of Margaret Harriet; Andrew Patterson (1832 - 1910)

Father of Joseph. Andrew's parents are George Patterson and Mary Jane Rolston 

There is a book about the family here in Australia, that is located in our state library that has a lot of details on the Australian part of the story, I have copied some relevent parts of it. I was amazed to see online here some of the other descendents following the story and the lives of this amazing family Patterson.

Al the very best

Rob Cummins