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Can anyone give me some info on a william tipping who married a Margaret Lynn in 1862 in a place called loughgall specifically whether william had brothers and sisters his father went by the name of John tipping I know there are a few tippings so I'm guessing it was a fairly common surname in Ireland but how many were in armagh

Sunday 28th June 2020, 04:06PM

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  • Here’s a link to William & Margaret’s marriage. William lived in Derryscollop in Clonfeacle parish and Margaret lived in Clonmain, Loughgall. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church which was Loughgall Presbyterian, so that may be where she was baptised. Their baptism records start in 1842, marriages in 1819. There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret...

    Griffiths Valuation for 1864 lists John Tipping in Derryscollop. (His surname is listed as Tippings). He had plot 53 which was just under 6 acres. He also had turbary rights on plot 70. (Land to dig peat).

    In the 1901 census there was a James Tipping farming there:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tullyroan/Derrys...

    He married Sarah Jane Rimmins in 1865, and the marriage certificate shows his father was John. So he appears to be a brother to your William:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret...

    A sister Jane married James Anderson in 1857:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret...

    This looks to be Jane and family in 1901 still in Derryscollop:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tullyroan/Derrys...

    Robert Tipping married Jane Miller in 1852:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret...

    Jackson Tipping married Ann McKinley in 1876:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret...

    The Tipping family church appears to have been Moy Churhc of Ireland. Unfortunately their early records were all destroyed in the 1922 fire, and they have now baptisms earlier than 1880. So you are unlikely to find baptisms for these various Tippings from Derryscollop.

    The Valuation revision records (on the PRONI website) show the farm passing from John Tipping to Charlotte Tipping in 1876 (suggesting he had died and his widow had inherited). She in turn was replaced by Jackson in 1888 and then James in 1890.

    Charlotte died in 1886. Son Jackson was the informant:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retur...

    There were 28 Tippings in Co Armagh in the 1901 census. All were Roman Catholic save for your family.

    Sunday 28th June 2020, 06:03PM
  • Oh wow thank you all so very much for this info I will ingest all of this these people came over to the uk to Newcastle-upon-Tyne I guess when the famine was devastating Ireland Jackson was working in a shipyard

    Monday 29th June 2020, 07:53AM
  • The main famine in Ireland was in the late 1840s, though there were odd partial blights after that. Your family left well after that period. The likely reason for leaving was probably better employment opportunities in England. Ireland has almost no natural resources eg coal, oil, iron etc and so the industrial revolution largely passed it by (save for some ship building in Belfast). The north of England needed thousands of extra workers for the coal mines, ship building yards, railways and all the industries that linked into that. So a steady wage in England was much more attractive than a pittance from weaving and small farming in Ireland.

    Monday 29th June 2020, 12:48PM
  • Hi all you have given me some fantastic information but now I'm in need of a little more always a little more can anyone find the death of Jackson tipping in or around  derryscollop in armagh and also his wife Ann tipping nee mckinley I think Jackson may have died youngish around 1888 or 1889 he would probably be around 40 yrs old many thanks in advance oh and just to warn you there will be others 

    Wednesday 1st July 2020, 10:38PM
  • I don’t see a death in Ireland for either Jackson nor Ann, nor do I see them in Ireland in the 1901 census. However there is a Jackson Tipping in Greenock in the 1901 Scottish census. Aged 46 and lodging at 7 Inchgreen St, Greenock. Occupation shipyard worker. In addition there’s a death for a Jackson Tipping in Greenock in 1904 aged 66 GROS ref 564/2 376. The age doesn’t tie in perfectly with the 1901 census but ages were often guessed, so given the location and the unusual name, I suspect it’s the same man. You can pay to view both the census and the death certificate on Scotlandspeople.

    Ann appears in the 1911 census for Wallsend, aged 34 and a widow. 9 children born, 8 still alive. She’s with her son Albert 27 born Derryscollop, son James 19 born High Walker, and daughter Edith 14 born Low Walker, plus widowed daughter in law Mary. (So clearly one of Ann’s sons had died).

    I can see the following children to Jackson & Ann born in Ireland: John 8.4.1877, Thomas 17.8.1879, Charlotte 4.10.1881, Albert 18.4.1884 & William 10.5.1887.

    So it looks as though Jackson gave up the family farm around the dates in the revision records ie c 1888 and returned to shipyard work in Scotland and England.

    1901 census has Annie and 8 children at 4 Fisher St, Walker, Northumberland

    Charlotte looks to have married Robert McMeekin c 1901. They and their 3 children are in the 1911 census for Walker, along with their 3 children and Charlotte’s brother William then aged 24.

    Ann Tipping evidently died sometime after 1911, presumably in England. I checked on-line trees on Ancestry and several have her dying in September 1942 in Northumberland. Rachel Tipping’s tree has a lot of additional information. You might want to look at it. (Tipping tree).

    Thursday 2nd July 2020, 06:47AM
  • Thank you elwyn much appreciated I need to sort through all my information now as these tippings jumped about a bit so I need to make sure they are the correct ones from my point of view one I'm definitely sure of is a Gertrude tipping born in Newcastle-upon-Tyne she was my great grandma and her father came from ireland so it's looking good thanks once again I'm proud of my irish roots now I've found them  

    Thursday 2nd July 2020, 09:15PM
  • Tipping isn’t particularly a native Irish name. That, plus the family lived in Armagh (a county heavily settled in the Plantation) plus the fact they were Church of Ireland all point broadly towards them having originated in England. They probably moved to Ireland in the 1600s, along with hundreds of thousands of other settlers from Scotland, England & Wales..

    Friday 3rd July 2020, 09:18AM