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Frame Heritage

I will be visiting Ireland in May 2016and have always wanted to find out more about or Irish heritage.  I have struggled to find records before 1836 so I only have 2 generations to work with.

My GG grandfather was John Frame,born March 1836 in Armagh.  He married Margaret Revels (born abt 1846 Armagh) around 1864.  He passed away abt 1892 in Armagh whereas Margaret immigrated to Pennsylvania,USA sometime between 1892 and 1921 where she died.  They had a son by the name of John, born 23 December 1875 in Armagh (siblings Rachel, Elizabeth, Ellen, Andrew).

John II married Georgina Colvin (born abt 1881) in June 1902.  They had one son in Ireland (Willam Eric born 1902) and ended up in Montreal,Quebec, Canada between 1902-1907.  Believe John immigrated 1905 and Margaret and William 1906.   

they had 3 more children born in Quebec, Canada - Georgina, Richard and John III (my grandfather).

I have come acrosssome records that mention Killevy, Mullaghglass and Newry. I would love to be able to confirm where exactly my family came from so that I can visit.

I also do not have any other links to the parents of John Frame I, Georgina Colvin or Margaret Revels.

Any information you could provide would be so greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Brandy

Saturday 30th January 2016, 01:37AM

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  • Brandy:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    Below is the 1864 marriage record. You will note that John's father was David and Margaret's father was also David. They lived in Killeavy. For the 1902 marriage, I only located an index record. You would have to write to the general Register Office to get a copy of the record. The marriage was recorded in the Newry registration district which encompasses the southeast portion of Armagh and southwest Co. Down. More than likely the marriage occured in Co. Armagh.

    Roger McDonnell

    First name(s)JohnLast nameFrameAge-Marital statusSingleMarriage year1864Marriage date25 Sep 1864Marriage placeKilleavy, Arm, IrelandFather's first name(s)DavidFather's last nameFrameMother's first name(s)-Mother's last name-Spouse's first name(s)MargaretSpouse's last nameRevelsSpouse's age-Spouse's birth place-Spouse's marital statusSingleSpouse's father's first name(s)DavidSpouse's father's last nameRevelsSpouse's mother's first name(s)-Spouse's mother's last name-ResidenceIrelandPlaceKilleavyCountyArmaghCountryIreland

    First name(s)JohnLast nameFrameRegistration year1902Registered Quarter/YearApr - Jun 1902Registration districtNewryVolume1Page921County-MarriageFinder™John Frame married
    Georgina Colvin

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Saturday 30th January 2016, 01:53AM
  • Brandy,

    The Frame – Colvin marriage is on the GRONI site. The date was 8th April 1902.

    Searching the births database for parents Frame & Revels I found the following children: Margaret 4th May 1868; Andrew 6.11.1870;Ellen 13.4.1873; John 23.12.1875; William 25.5.1878; James 13.11.1881 & Thomas 5th June 1886.

    I see deaths for Thomas on 24.3.1887 aged 0 and for Rachel 26.7.1887 aged 21. Can’t say whether they are your family. You would need to view the certs to decide.

    John Frame’s death is listed on 24th May 1892 aged 60. It was registered in Armagh. The death cert should contain his address at that time which may enable you to find exactly where he had been living.

    William Frame’s birth was registered in Newry on 28.1.1903. Again that certificate should give you where his parents were living at that time.

    You can view the original certificates on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

    https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

    You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

    I searched for David Frame in Griffiths Valuation and there’s just one relevant entry in Co Armagh. He had plot 22 in Bessbrook Village. That was a house, yard & small garden. It was next to the dispensary. Bessbrook is a large village most of whose inhabitants worked in the local linen mill. See:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/yourplaceandmine/armagh/bessbrook_mill.shtml

    This might be Margaret and 2 children in 1901 in Maytown which is part of Bessbrook village. They were evidently engaged in weaving and so that makes me think the David in Griffiths was probably your family (but the marriage certificate should tell you).

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Mullaglass/Maytown_Terrace/1036749/

    The revaluation records show Margaret on plot 17b which was a house and yard. The records show her vacating in in 1906 so perhaps that was when she left Ireland. (Can’t see her in the 1911 census). The house was just along from the Gospel Hall. (Note there were no house numbers in the 1900s. The numbering on Griffiths and in the censuses were simply the clerks private enumerating system and bear no relation to any hosue numbers that may exist today which were generally allocated in the 1950s or later). Some detective work may be required to find these exact properties, if indeed they are still standing.

    I see other Frame families around the mill who might be relatives:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Mullaglass/Bessbrook_Town/307110/

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Mullaglass/Cloghreagh/306873/

     

    Elwyn

    Saturday 30th January 2016, 09:08AM
  • Castlemore & Elwyn - this is AMAZING - thank you so much and for responding so quickly!!  You have managed to find what I have been looking for for years in less than 12 hours!  I have tidbits here and there but with so much information on line, and so little to start with, I always have a bit of doubt how accurate it is. 

    Perhaps you can answer one other question for me?  For those who passed away in Ireland (John Frame I 1892 and his father, David) - would any of the records denote where they are buried?  I wonder if the graves are marked or still standing from 1892 or earlier? 

    Thank you both for taking the time to help me, among many others - it is so greatly appreciated!

     

    Brandy

    Saturday 30th January 2016, 02:26PM
  • Brandy:

    The civil death records don't show the burial location. If there was a headstone, the 1892 grave might be marked but likely not in very good condition.

    Roger.

     

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Saturday 30th January 2016, 03:04PM
  • The family were evidently Church of Ireland so try Church of Ireland graveyards in the Bessbrook area. But also check the marriage certificate, If they originated in a different area, the burials may have been back in family plots there, and not in the Bessbrook area. If the family put a funeral notice in the local paper, then it often said where the person was to be buried. Irish funerals are normally 3 days after death so check papers published 1 & 2 days after the person died.

    Elwyn

    Sunday 31st January 2016, 02:23PM