John Clarke married Bridget Keating 1874, Cty Cavan

A.J.

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Roger McDonnell

Hi A.J.

Clarkes are definetly aplenty in this area.  If you searched for them in Roots Ireland at www.rootsireland.ie,(subscription required) you may find their baptisms and if you are really lucky on some of the baptisms might also have marriage details attached, this way you could track the family.  I would look for you but I have used up my allowance this month.  Dont disgard the fact that they may have also followed some of your family to America as chain migration was common.  You could search for them on Ellis Island at www.libertyellisfoundation.org (free searches)

If they stayed in Ireland you could look up familysearch.org (free searches) and see if you can identify their deaths particularly for the men, if you dont know who or if the women married.  Note the year, volume and page number and quarter and try and sort out the possibilities.  You will find many Patrick & John Clarkes and Bailieborough would be the district that they would be registered in.  Also look up the will calenders at http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp this may give you some clues at least addresses are recorded and dates of death also free to search.

You could apply for statutory certificates for €4.  You can order a photocopy of the certificate from GRO Roscommon for €4.  http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

You have to download and print off the form. Then either post or fax it back to them. You can’t e-mail it to them. However if you want them to e-mail the cert to back to you, they will do that, so tick the relevant box.

Put the reference details on the form (anywhere). Don’t worry about leaving some boxes blank. As long as GRO have the location, name(s), year, quarter (where there is one), volume and page number they should find it.

Another option would be to write to the Anglo Celt linda@anglocelt.ie and ask the editor to publish your letter in the local paper giving as many details as possible and you may get a response.                                                                                              Good luck in your search and let me know how you get on and then we can work on the information you have obtained.  Regards Carmel O'Callaghan

We could be wrong but don't think your family Clarke line is connected to ours as far as we know right now.  We are just starting in on the research part of family history and don't have much info.  We hired Ancestry to find our Clarkes in Bailieborough, but that is as far as we have gotten at this time.  Ireland is so hard, so grateful for Ireland XO reaching out to help us connect with our relatives.  Good luck! Neil & Julia

Hi A.J,

I have been attempting to find out about my Beattie and McCabe history in County Cavan.  There is also a Keating connection.  I am wondering if you may be able to help?  Would you know if your Great Grandmother Rose's sister Anne was ever married to a Richard Beattie, possibly in the late 1860's to early 1870's? 

Kind regards, Carol

Hi Carol,

My g-grandmother's sister Anne Keating (1859-1936) never married.   She emigrated to Hartford, Connecticut as a young woman, worked as a domestic there and died in Manchester, Connecticut unmarried.

I do think her father Pat Keating might have had a sister Anne however, but supposedly this Anne was married to an Edward Logan (no relation to me).  According to what I've been told by another geni researching that line, this Anne lived from 1819 to 1908, mostly in Dublin.

I have seen a record for an Anne Keating married to Richard Beattie in Cavan in 1867.  He was from Termon in Cty. Cavan, and Anne from Gallon, so there this is who I assume you are looking for.  (Marriage record says her father's name was James Keating, his father was James Beatty.)  There were at least 2 children from this union: Anne Beattie, born 1867, and Mary Beattie, born 1870. 

There is also a James Beattie living in Termon in the 1901 census, married to Honora Lynch - he could be yet another child from the Richard Beattie/Anne Keating union, but I am not sure.

Not sure if any of this helps, but let me know if it rings any bells.

Best,

A.J. Logan

Hi A.J,

Thank you for your quick reply. Yes, the Richard and Anne you have written about are the ones I know about. I believe James is also a sibling. This Richard is the only Richard Beattie I, and others, have been able to find in that area. (Shame it doesn't state his Mother's name!)

The Parish records from the year we believe our Richard was born are so badly faded I can not read them. The birth year, c1853,  I am looking at is by using what we have been told, Australian marriage certificate to Eliza Neal (my GGrandmother) which states he was 28 and his death certificate.  Depending on which documentation you read it states Tarmon or Tarmore as his birthplace and he came to Australia c1874.  Which would make him approx 14 when he married Anne. The next mystery is  what happened to Anne ...

I have recently joined a Family History Association which will give me access to more records, hopefully I will be able to find some answers.

Last year when I was in County Cavan I visited Gallon Graveyard which contains Beattie, McCabe, Brady and  Keating graves.  I took photos of all of them because you never know which ones may be connected to your family.  In particular, there is a Keating headstone which lists along with other names James Keating died in 1933 aged 85 years. Wondering if he could be related to Bridget.  I could try to add the photo if you would like to see it.

Kind regards,

Carol 

Carol, I suspect Richard Beatty was older than the records in Australia are saying - it seems unlikely he would have married at 14 - not impossible, but highly unusual.  I would assume he was of full age (21) when he married and work back from there, putting his birth year as sometime at or before 1846 (based on the 1867 marriage to Anne Keating.).

I would love to see the headstone photos.  My g-granmother's brother James Keating died in 1933, so I suspect that the photo you have is of his grave.  At least 5 of his 7 (known) children ended up emigrating to New York, which is where they died and presumably buried. I'd be curious to see if any stayed behind, and are buried in Cavan.

Sorry about the delay responding this time - thanks for collaborating!

A.J.

Brooklyn, NY, USA

Hi A.J,

The Keating Headstone photos I have, one has James' and the other has James' and Jim's headstones, are larger than the allowed 8MB to post here.  The one with two headstones, which is the best photo, is 10.3MB.  When enlarged the writing is clearly seen on James' Headstone.  Jim's is harder to see. The other photo is 9.7MB.

How would you like me to send these photos to you?

(I just had a play with a word document as I think that what 'doc' means in the allowed file types in the 'Add a new file' section.  If I put the photo into a word document it is only 1.25MB, that could be a possibility.This is my first time doing this.) 

I also have a few photos which are a more general view of the Graveyard. If you like I could include one or two.

It was a beautiful spot to visit and has a very peaceful feel to it.   Members of the local community had  worked to tidy up the Graveyard as it was overgrown.  

Cheers Carol

Hey Carol,

You could try emailing them to me (without the spaces):

ajlogan625 @ gmail.com

If they are that big, you may have to do one at a time - I think even Gmail has limits on the size of files.  Thanks for your efforts on this, and for sharing the photos!

When I was in Cavan 15 years ago, I did not manage to get to any graveyards, but I know so much more now, so the next trip I would hope to see more - including this graveyard you mention ...

Thanks again!

A.J.

Dear Carol & A.J.

I don't know how up to date you are on pop culture, but you may have heard of Ronan Keating of Boyzone. His grandparents were from Killinkere so you might find a link there.  Regards Carmel

Carol, my email response back to you failed for some reason, but the photos are fantastic Carol!  They came through perfectly, and yes, are easy to save.  Thank you so much for sharing these! James the father is definitely my gr-grandmother's brother, so James the son would be my grandfather's 1st cousin!  It looks like the grave has items left behind, so obviously cared for and probably they have living descendants still there to care for it ... another avenue to explore!

Good luck to you on your search as well.  Someday we may prove a connection of Anne (Keating) Beattie to my Keating line, and we'll solve the mystery! I have a couple other lines that ended up going to Australia - so it seems funny hundreds of years later, these people who left Ireland, split off to the U.S. and Oz, never seeing each other again, can have their descendants reconnect through the internet!

Cheers!

PS To Carmel: I have never heard of that band or person (Ronan Keating), but when I googled him, I was a bit surprised to see he looked like he could be my (much) younger, (much better looking) brother!  Perhaps there is a connection to him ...

Yes Carmel, I was aware of Ronan Keating having relatives in Killenkere.  When I was in Cavan I met his Uncle, Aunt and Cousin through a local lady who was helping me with my family history. My GreatGrandfather was Richard Beattie and a Richard Beattie married Annie Keating but according to what we know about his birth date that would have made him only 14 at the time.  Then of course, he married when he arrived in Australia so there is the question of 'Where is Annie?' 

I'm wondering if the Keating Headstone in Gallon Graveyard may be Ronan's Grandmother's.

Regards Carol 

Glad you got the photos and that they turned out to be your family. My email can be funny at time, I was a bit worried that they wouldn't be delivered.   I am wondering if Annie is actually Ronan's Grandmother.  In regards to items being there, I can ask my friend in Ireland (the lady who was helping me) if she knows how you might be able to find out who it may be.  I know there is a group that tidied up the Graveyard. 

I just discovered that at https://historicgraves.com/graveyard/gallon/cv-gall​  it has all of the headstones photographed and there is another KEATING stone.  If you scroll down there is more detail and it shows the covered age at the bottom as 85.  It also has where the Graveyard is in relation to Killenkere. 

Happy searching.

Yes, strangely, I found that website today as well. And then found a quote from Ronan Keating's autobiography.  His grandparents were James and Annie Keating from Termon, so basically I think he is my third cousin.  Too bad I can't sing!

My Grandfather John G. Clarke had 4 sisters, Kate, Bessie, Mary and Margaret, and 2 brothers, 1 may be named Owen. I'm not sure if they had more children, but that's who I have record of. John G. Clarke was born in March 18u0, immigrated to the USA in 1888, & married Caroline Alice Lewis on January 7, 1896.