Nicholas Flynn

Elise

I searched the Irish census for 1901 and found a Nicholas Flynn living in Leitrim with his uncle, age 21, born 1880, I think the census was taken in April. See http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Gortnagullion/…

Bolea means nothing to me and I searched on the big G for it in Leitrim but got one hit in Sligo, beside Leitrim but it was in 1833 about a priest of Killoran and Bolea but found no more. Could his parents have died at this time.

My own Leitrim mother always celebrated her birthday in December but when I started this lark she was registerd in the following January. It appears they might register only when they came to town and used that date. Is the birth registered in Carrick On Shannon as I see one there on Find My Past. Irish Parish records are on line here but I find them difficult to read, these would be baptisms. See http://registers.nli.ie/ I also read a memoir recently and the author had the same issue claiming the register was fond of a drink!!!

You can also search the census for 1911 to see if they uncle is still about. Leitrim is a poor county and had a lot of emigration, there a couple of sites where you can get information, one fo the volunteers may know more about Leitrim as I do not live there. The 1st site I am not sure is still active at http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/index.shtml and you can see the parish layout on this site too http://www.mohill.com/ select genealogy maps on the left column. Some history of the area can be found here http://www.loughrynn.net/

While Leitrim is a small county and not hugely populated it is divided geographically in a north / south way and Mohill is in the south. If you can narrow down your John Flynn there are other sites such as http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ which also gives a little map, however there are Flynns in Leitrim so a name like John may be difficult to identify without more address information, somewhere if Leitrim I have Flynn cousins but they are not into genealogy so I cannot give you any other information on them.

If I can assist further or indeed if any other volunteer can please let us know.

Regards

Pat

Elise

I noted you joined the Templeport parish which is Cavan also very close to Leitrim but on Find My Past I find an entry for Nicholas Flynn registered in Carrick on Shannon in 1880 and Bawnboy, Cavan (Templeport) in 1881can we ascertain if it is the same person or have we two Nicholas Flynns, (Nicholas is not that common a Christian name). 

Note also the Nicholas in the census is a postman (RA) what ever that means unless some form of auxilary postman which is not permanent but a good job at the time.

Regards

Pat

Pat, thank you for your response. I have a placename search that shows

placename/boley

County/Cavan

Civil Parish/Templeport

Poor Law Union/Bawnboy

Barony/Tullyhaw.

His birth was registered in the District of Ballyconnell in the Union of Bawnboy in the County of Cavan.  So, this was all the information I had and I saw Templeport in the search result and thus I posted here. 

On his petition for Naturalization here it shows his last residence as Glebe Garadice, County Leitrim, Ireland. He came here in 1909 so would not be in the census for 1911.

He died just before I was 4 years old so would have no information about him and my grandmother had family that I never knew about, very strange. I found she had siblings in a census but had never heard of any of them. 

Someone gave me this site as a place to perhaps get some help but I don't know if there is enough available to find anybody. Just sad to know there might be family someplace. 

Again, thank you

Elise/Pat:

I located a transcription of the October 26, 1873 civil marriage of John and Bridget. John was from Boley townland in Templeport civil parish in Cavan while Bridget was from Glebe townland in Drumreilly parish in Leitrim. The two parishes bordered each other. John was age 50 and a widower. Bridget was a 26 year old spinster. John's father was Nicholas (and obviously young Nicholas was named after his grandfather). Bridget's father was John Campbell. Also on Roots Ireland I located two baptismal records for children of John and Bridget. Susan in 1879 and Nicholas in 1881. The transcriptions of the baptismal records are below. Note Nicholas was baptized January 7, 1881 closed to a December 19, 1880 birth. Births had to be registered within 30 days or there was a fine so if the family delayed the registration for whatever reason beyond the 30 days, they changed the date of birth so they were within the 30 day period. Sometimes you will notice children baptized before their official (but incorrect) date of birth.

Drumreilly parish is in the Bawnboy registration district.

Roger McDonnell

Name:Nicholas FlynnDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Jan-1881Address:BoleyParish/District:TEMPLEPORTGender:MaleCountyCo. Cavan
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:John FlynnMother:Bridget Campbell
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John CampbellSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:M. A. McCaffrey

Name:Susan FlynnDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:28-Sep-1879Address:BoleyParish/District:TEMPLEPORTGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cavan
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:John FlynnMother:Bridget Campbell
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Michael CampbellSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Susan Brady

Elise

Roger has obviously found the correct family. It was the 1901 census I found Nicholas Flynn in, but he may be the other one. I checked the 1901 census for Garadice and there are 4 John Flynns but none in Glebe. I will ask a local near me whose grandfather is from Garadice, I live about 100 miles from there.

There is also a website here might interest you. http://www.bawnboy.com/local-genealogy/

Regards

Pat

Roger, thank you so much. I had seen the name Michael Campbell once before as where he was going/or sponsor on the ships paperwork.  When I did find out his mothers maiden name I assumed it might have been a cousin. 

So funny in todays age to see a young lady of 26 classified as a spinster. 

Any idea where I can go from here? Boy do I wish I could see him as an adult and ask questions. He was a nice man, I do remember one incident where a little boy stuck his tongue out at me in the park and I of course did the same back to him. My grandfather said I should not do that, it was not right even if the boy had done it to me. By this one thing, I really do think he was a wonderful person. 

I appreciate your help so much. thank you, Elise

Elise:

I don't have any good suggestions. The Nicholas Flynn age 21 that Pat found in the 1901 census does not appear to be your grandfather. I found the marriage record for the uncle of the Nicholas Flynn ( who was also named Nicholas) and his father was Pat Flynn. John Flynn's fathe rwas Nicholas so I think we have two different families. There is no Nicholas Flynn in Co. Cavan either in the 1901 census and in fact I searched all of Ireland and could not find him. 

As an aside, I did find an 1894 civil death index record for a Susan Flynn in the Bawnboy registration district. Possibly this was your grandfather's sister. Only difference is that the informant said she was born in 1878.

First name(s)SusanLast nameFlynnBirth year1878Age at death16Registered year1894Registered quarter/yearJul - Sep 1894Registration districtBawnboyVolume3Page28

Roger

Roger, thank you for your help, I was afraid I would hit a brick wall. Nothing more that I can do then, Again, thank you.

Elise

Pat, thanks for any help, was giving up, defeated. Hugs from me. 

Elise

Elise

thanks for the hugs but it only encourages me. Seriously I was looking up Griffiths Valuation and for Cavan in 1857 printed date there is a Nicholas Flynn in Boley and this I take it is your Nicholas Grandfather as found by Roger. The beauty of this site is there are maps of holdings, he was a tenant of a Rev. Beresford. While my map thing was not filling in today I understand you can locate the holding and then find it on recent maps and onto Google Earth and thence to street view and have a tour without ever leaving home, the site is here and search Flynn, Cavan, Union of Bawnboy, forget the barony but union will do the trick. See http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ 

You can also get Irish maps online over the years here http://www.osi.ie/ Personally I have never tried this but understand it can be done, go grab a teenager.

Also Ireland XO give us free access to Ancestry UK and I searched the English and Scottish census for 1901 and got two likely hits for a Nicholas Flynn, why is there always 2. Of the 8 hits two are born in Ireland in 1880. One is a worker in Manchester and the other is a masons something in Scotland boarding in a house with a Campbell man also 21, did he marry a Campbell or is my memory going. Anyway I attach the 2 extracts, assume I downloaded them ok.

Would explain why he is not in Ireland. By the way I have an ancestor from that area of Cavan but cannot locate her at all, name was Callaghan but she is a real mystery woman, three records I have found and she is different ages in them all, between 5 and 15 years. Enough of my issues. 

Hope you can use church records to go back a bit further, also here is a list of tithe payers here which is also down currently

see http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/ This was done between 1824 and 1836, also believe it or not the census for 1831 for Cavan has surveyed and just select the year and put in Cavan. By the way where are you in Australia. I have had a lady from Perth over twice tracing footsteps.

Regards

Pat

Pat

I will need to write tomorrow, busy day, computer issues and am really wiped out. I live in America BTW. Here is a copy of the ship paperwork showing my grandfather emigrating from Leitrim to NYC. 

His cousin I think a cousin was Michael, at least I had come across that name as someplace he was going in NYC and his mother was Bridget Campbell so I assume maybe a cousin. Need ink for my printer, nothing going smoothly today but I see John Campbell and perhaps a cousin, could be. Nicholas was a fireman, (boilers) but when you are young and needing work you do whatever you can. 

I am off now, my eyes are closing. Good night and thank you, will look at links tomorrow. 

Elise

Pat, a few days have gone by, sorry. Son was back installing on the new hard drive, He is one of the brainy ones. I have looked at a few links, thank you so much. I sent in a sample to 23and Me for DNA testing, thinking I would have all these family members jumping up and finally finding current family in Ireland and so far, nothing. Some small segments and no way to trace where these matches came from. Maybe someday it will happen. For now I will be happy with the help with a few more additions to the Flynn family line and keep checking and hoping more will come. I am thankful that he did come here to America because otherwise some other person might be writing to you about all this. :-)

Elise

Elise

you appear to be rushed but this is only a hobby so no hurry on me. So NIcholas sailed from Derry or Londonderry if you prefer. 

I looked for Campbells in the 1901 and 1911 census and there is on family in Glebe, Garadice but ages do not appear to match but head of house may be your lady's brother, one odd name in house of a daughter, Bedina, I have never heard of it. I searched only Campbell in Leitrim as putting in Garadice did not bring them back. The family are in both census.

There is a website here but they only do paid research, http://www.eneclann.ie/ but there is a podcast on DNA and Irish dimension, you can also supply an email address and get a news letter which can be interesting.

Civil records from 1864 can be obtained but you must download the form and post it in with cash in some form, they will email you a short version of the record for about $5. You will need dates though, I see now you can order online but they are showing €20 about $23 but if you do this ask for the short version, which is a photocopy from the register and is €4. http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/Certificates/

If you have isssues you can email me at this site at mailto:stpeters@irelandxo.com my actual name is Pat O'Halloran, as I keep an eye on the parts of Cavan and Leitrim you are interested in I will let you know if anything arises and I still have to meet my occassional coffee buddy whose family are from Garadice.

Finally for now I am interested a little in railways and a famous line called the Cavan Leitrim railway closed in 1959 but it passed through Bawnboy Road and the tiny station of Garadice, on page 18 of this site you can see the name of the station badly painted over the door, your ancestor probably passed through it starting on his way to the US. http://www.iol.ie/~bawnboy/index.html

Sorry but my interest in genealogy sparked an interest in social history.

Stay in touch,

Pat