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Timothy (Thadhg) Kelher born MAR 7TH, 1863 to Denis and Eliza Mahony were from Carhue Upper, Coachford. He played for the 1st All Ireland Cork Winning team in 1890. Denis may have beeen from Rusheen, Ahagabulogue originally

He married Margaret O Sullivan in 1893 and folklore has it that she and her Mother were knitting jerseys for the team!?!

He has a sponsor William Connell. His brother John Denis (National school teacher with his wife Kate (Ballyvongane) also had a sponsor Connelly/Connell

Another brother Patrick J (priest) ended up in Kentucky, however, I'm not entirely sure about the existence of lives of other siblings and the births of the known children above appear to be close in location but not the same (Denis prehaps was a small tenant farmer)?

I would love to know if there are relatives still around or any information that may extend this family

Friday 19th Jun 2020, 09:14AM

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  • Hello,

    I’m not related but in some preliminary research I uncovered the church marriage record for Denis Keleher/Kelleher and Eliza Mahony, as well as the baptism records for 7 of their children.

    I also found civil registration birth records for three of the Keleher children.

    It’s going to take some time to compile these records and to see what other information I can locate about the Keleher and Mahony families, and so I’ll probably have this information for you by the coming weekend. If I have any questions, I’ll get back to you before the weekend.

    Unfortunately I don’t have any information concerning the Keleher and Mahony families who still may be residing in the Aghabulloge area of County Cork.

    Best Wishes,

    Dave Boylan

    davepat

    Tuesday 23rd Jun 2020, 12:23PM
  • Dave, many thanks for looking into these kelleher- Mahony as I've no idea what became of Hanora, Daniel or Jeremiah 1861 (presumably died as there was another Jeremiah in1867) or never found a Mahony connection from this area- so to date it appears this unit could be a dwindling  breed, except for the descendants of Timothy! So
    any uncoveries is much appreciated 

    Liz

     

     

    Lizr54

    Wednesday 24th Jun 2020, 09:26AM
  • Hello Liz,

    I’m not related but in some preliminary research I uncovered the church marriage record for Denis Keleher/Kelleher and Eliza Mahony, as well as the baptism records for 7 of their children.

    There are also civil registration birth records for three of the Keleher children.

    It’s going to take some time to compile these records and to see what other information I can locate about the Keleher and Mahony families, and so I’ll probably have this information for you by the coming weekend. If I have any questions, I’ll get back to you before the weekend.

    Unfortunately I don’t have any information concerning the Keleher and Mahony families who still may be residing in the Aghabulloge area of County Cork.

    Best Wishes,

    Hello Liz,

    I just received your reply. I had compiled much of the information you see below before your reply came. You may already have found some or all of the records that I uncovered.

    I found a baptism transcription that may refer to your Denis Keleher at the Find My Past (FMP) website. He was baptized in the Aghbullogue Catholic Church on 7 March 1823. His father is Jerry Keleher. His mother is Norry Leary. You can view the transcription at the following FMP link:
    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1697359

    You may have to register with FMP to access the transcription. Registration is free. Attached to the transcription is another link that will take you to the Aghabullogue register where his baptism is recorded. The link is at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632516#page/22/mode/1up

    You can enlarge the page by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

    There are two facing pages to the marriage register. The marriage is located on the left-hand page,5thentry down from the top. The sponsors of godparents are Denis Keleher and Johanna Leary. The godfather Denis Keleher may have been Denis’s cousin. Johanna Leary may have been Norry’s sister, or perhaps cousin.

    Uncovering the baptism record for Denis’s future wife liza Mahony is a little more problematic, as I located the baptism transcriptions for four children named Elizabeth or Eliza Mahony in the Aghabullgue Catholic Parish, baptized from 1826 to 1834. You can view the indexes of these baptisms at the FMP link that follows: https://is.gd/cyiOKA

    Once the indexes download, click on the “Baptism year” header highlighted in blue to place the baptisms in chronological order. As you’ll see later Denis Keleher and Eliza Mahony were married in 1855. One of the likely baptisms I think is the one for Eliza Mahony baptized in 1834. Another FMP link brings you to her baptism transcription which shows her parents were Daniel Mahony and Johan Hely, and her baptism date in 1834 was 12 March. See the transcription at:
    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1699000

    A copy of Eliza’s original baptism record is on the right-hand register page, 7th entry down from the top at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632516#page/90/mode/1up

    The godparents are Denis Hely and Julia Mahony.

    What do you think Liz?

    You may have other information that shows Eliza’s parents were not Daniel Mahony and Johanna Hely. If so you’ll want to go with what you have as you are more familiar with your ancestry than I am. But as you’ll see later, the second-born son of Denis and Eliza was Daniel, which follows the traditional pattern of naming the second-born son after his mother’s father, and the first-born son after his father’s father.

    I next found the FMP marriage transcription for Denis Keleher and Elizabeth Mahony. They were married in the Aghabulloge Catholic Parish on 23 April 1855. You can view the transcription at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0367471%2F1

    You can access a copy of the original Aghabullogue baptism register at the National Library of Ireland link at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632517#page/57/mode/1up

    The marriage record is the 2nd entry up from the bottom of the left-hand register page.

    The names of the witnesses are a challenge to read, but they appear to be John D. Murphy and Catherine Murphy.

    In the last communication I wrote that I had found the baptisms for 7 children of Denis Keleher and Eliza Mahony. Since then I uncovered another baptism bringing the total number of children to 8. The names and years of birth of the children are:

    Denis Keleher, 1856
    Honoria Keleher, 1857
    Daniel Keleher, 1859
    Jerry Keleher, 1861
    Timothy Keleher, 1863
    John Kelleher, 1865
    Jerry Kelleher, 1867
    Patrick Kelleher, 1869
    ____

    You’ll see there are two baptisms for children named Jerry Keleher. This indicates the first-born Jerry Keleher had died between 1861 and 1867.

    DENIS KELEHER BAPTISM

    Denis Keleher was baptized in the Aghabulloge Catholic Parish on 18 May 1856. His mother’s first name in this transcription from the FMP website is, “Bessy,” which is an alternate for Bess as well as Elizabeth. For example, Queen Elizabeth I was known as “Queen Bess.”

    You can view the baptism transcription for Denis at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1702744

    A copy of Denis’s original baptism record is the 4th entry down from the top of the left-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/6/mode/1up

    The godparents are Timothy Keleher and Norry Sullivan. The priest who baptized Denis was D. Mahony, who may have been related to Bessy.

    HONORIA KELEHER BAPTISM

    Honoria was baptized on 5 October 1857. The residence of the family at the time of the baptism, according to the FMP transcription was “Clonmoyle.” In this transcription the mother’s name is Eliza Mahony: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1702863

    A copy of Honoria’s original baptism record (which is in very neat cursive handwriting) is on the left-hand register page, first entry below the October subheading: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/12/mode/1up

    The godparents are John Keleher and Mary Burns. The priest who baptized Honoria was William McCarthy.

    DANIEL KELEHER BAPTISM

    Daniel was baptized on 30 September 1859. The residence of his family is Clonmoyle. See the FMP transcription at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1703046

    Daniel’s baptism is the first entry at the top of the right-hand register page at:
    https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/19/mode/1up

    The godfather is Daniel Desmond. The godmother is Catherine Keleher. The priest who baptized Daniel was William McCarthy.

    THE FIRST-BORN JERRY KELEHER BAPTISM

    Jerry Keleher was baptized on 10 December 1861. He and his family were living in Clonmoyle at the time of the baptism. His FMP transcription can be found at:
    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1703273

    Jerry’s baptism the 2nd entry up from the bottom of the right-hand register page at:
    https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/29/mode/1up

    His godparents are John Shea and Amy Keleher. A priest with the initials, “R.A.” baptized Jerry. This priest was probably Father Richard Ahern.

    TIMOTHY KELEHER BAPTISM

    Timothy was baptized on 10 March 1863. His FMP transcription can be accessed at:
    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1703408

    No address is recorded for the Keleher family.

    Timothy’s baptism is the 3rd entry on the rightt-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/35/mode/1up

    His godparents are William Connell and Margaret Keleher. The priest who baptized Timothy was H. Keleher, who may have been related to Denis.

    JOHN KELLEHER BAPTISM

    At the time he was baptized on 15 January 1865 John Kelleher and his family were living in Clonmoyle according to the FMP transcription: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1703566

    The transcription only gives the initial of D for Denis’s first name. It actually adds the letter I to the D, but in the copy of the original baptism record the I is actually a curly cue coming off the top curve of the letter D.

    John’s baptism record is the 3rd entry up from the bottom of the right-hand register page at:
    https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/43/mode/1up

    The godparents are Jerry Kelleher and Mary Connell.

    Jerry Kelleher may have been Denis’s brother or perhaps a cousin.

    The initials of the priest who baptized John are W.R. This would be Father William Rice. You’ll see his name written as “Wm Rice” at the top right of both register pages.

    THE SECOND-BORN JERRY KELLEHER BAPTISM

    The FMP baptism transcription shows that Jerry Kelleher was baptized on 31 May 1867. The address of the Kelleher family is recorded as, “Knocgon.” This does not look like the name of a town in County Cork, and I suspected, when viewing this transcription, that the handwriting in the copy of the original baptism is not as neat as it was in previous baptism entries. It is likely a reference to Knockrour,

    You can view the transcription at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1703802

    Jerry’s baptism is the last entry at the bottom of the left-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/58/mode/1up

    You can see that the penmanship is not as neat as in previous baptism entries.

    The first name of the godfather looks like it could be Patrick. His last name is Shea. The name of the godmother looks like it could be Mary Higgins.

    PATRICK KELLEHER BAPTISM

    Patrick was baptized on 12 April 1869. You can view his FMP baptism transcription at:
    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F1703985

    Patrick’s baptism is the 5th entry down from the top of the right-hand register page at:
    https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632519#page/66/mode/1up

    His first name is abbreviated as “Pk.” I could not make out the first name of one of the godparents. The last name is Sullivan. The last name of the second godparent actually looks like it could be Denis Kelleher.

    The baptism records for the Keleher children show the family had lived in the townlands of Clonmoyle and Knockrour.

    A Google Map shows that Clonmoyle is 2.2 miles east of St. John’s Catholic Church in Aghabullogue: https://is.gd/UdluJO

    I believe this is the church where Denis and Eliza were married and where their children were baptized.

    For a Google Street View of the church and grotto, go to: https://is.gd/AGmizn

    I couldn’t find the date that St. John’s Catholic Church was constructed in Aghabulloge, but I found that a church, labeled the R.C. Chapel, was located on the same spot in Aghabulloge, near Dromatimore. The map comes from an Ordnance Survey Map from the GeoHive website. The map was produced between 1837 and 1842. See the map at: https://bit.ly/2Yr249G

    Another Google Map shows that Knockrour, by the shortest route, is 9.3 miles northeast of Aghabulloge: https://is.gd/A8AaFv

    CIVIL REGISTRATION IN IRELAND

    Civil registration began in Ireland in 1845 when the government recorded civil marriages as well as Protestant marriages. Catholic marriages were not recorded at this time, though I have found Catholic couples who had a civil marriage.

    Civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations commenced in Ireland in 1864. The three children of Denis and Eliza Keleher who should have civil birth records are John (1865), the second-born Jerry (1867) and Patrick (1869).

    In some cases parents did not report the births of their children to the local district registrar. In time, failure to report a birth, marriage, or death was punishable by fine. I looked for and did uncover the birth records for John, Jerry, and Patrick. Birth records almost always give the place of birth of the child and the residence of the parents at the time of birth, whereas, as you saw earlier, some of the baptism records for the Keleher/Kelleher children did not give the residence of the family, while some did.

    JOHN KELEHER BIRTH

    John Keleher was born in Clonmoyle on 5 January 1865. His father is Denis Keleher, a Labourer residing in Clonmoyle. The mother is Eliza Keleher, formerly Mahony. Denis reported the birth to the local registrar, Thomas Godfrey, who recorded the birth on January 21, 1865. The birth of Denis is at Number 197 in the attached birth register.

    John’s baptism record had also shown the family were living in Clonmoyle.

    JEREMIAH KELEHER BIRTH

    Jeremiah Keleher was born in Knockrour on 5 June 1967. His father is Denis Keleher, of Knockrour, employed as a “Daryman.” Jeremiah’s mother is Eliza Keleher. A lady named Mary, whose last name looks like Donnell, of Knockrour, was present at the birth and reported the birth to the local registrar, Thomas Godfrey, who recorded the birth in the Macroom Registration District on 11 June 1867. Jeremiah’s birth is the first entry at Number 190 in the attached register.

    PATRICK KELEHER BIRTH

    The 10 April 1869 birth record for Patrick Keleher shows he was born in the townland of Glounalough. Patrick’s father is Denis Keleher, a dairyman living in Glounlough. His mother is Eliza Keleher, formerly Mahony. Mary McDonnell, of the townland of Rylane, was present at the birth and reported the birth to the local registrar, Thomas Godfrey, who recorded the birth in the Macroom Registration District on 27 April 1869. Patrick’s birth is at Number 72 in the attached birth record.

    The birth record for Patrick shows he was born in Glounalough. A Google Map shows that Glounalough, by the shortest route, is 4.4 miles north of Aghabulloge: https://is.gd/FM2mP1

    At the following Google Map you’ll be able to view the locations of Ahabulloge, Clonmoyle, Knockrour, and Glounalough: https://is.gd/PYK6gk

    You can see that these townland are northeast of Cork City on the next Google Map: https://is.gd/hkjqVs

    GRIFFITHS VALUATION

    I now wanted to see if I could locate Denis Keleher in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. I wanted to see if the valuation shows that he was living in Clonmoyle, or another town near Aghabulloge.

    Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for the parish of Aghabulloge and surrounding parishes and townlands was completed by the year 1852, just three years before Denis and Eliza were married.

    Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman collecting the rent on Gale Day for the owner. This middleman was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

    You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

    I found Denis Keleher in Griffiths Valuation, leasing property in Clonmoyle West, Civil Parish of Aghabulloge. See the transcription below from the askaboutireland website:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 7 b
    Civil Parish: Aghabulloge
    Townland: Clonmoyle West
    Occupier: Denis Keleher
    Immediate Lessor: Jeremiah Murphy Darby
    Description of Tenement: House & Garden
    Area of Land: 0 Acres, 0 Roods, 11 Perches
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 1 Shilling
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 4 Shillings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 5 Shillings
    ____

    Griffiths Valuation ahows that Denis Keleher leased a house and garden in Clonmoyle West from an Immediate Lessor named Jeremiah Murphy Darby. The land was under an acre in size and valued at 1 Shillings, while the house was valued at 4 Shillings. The total valuation for the lease was 5 shillings.

    Denis would not have been required to pay a tax on the lease as only those leases over 5 Pounds were subject to the tax. At 11 perches in size Denis’s garden would have been a little over 181 feet, or 2,994.75 square feet in size. That he did not lease several acres of land indicates he was not a farmer. From the birth records shown earlier we know he was a labourer and a dairyman.

    The map reference number (7 b) at the beginning of the valuation record refers to the location of Denis’s lease on an Ordnance Survey Map compiled before the valuation was taken. These maps are available to download at the askaboutireland website, and are similar to the Ordance Survey Map from GeoHive.

    Griffiths Valuation also shows there is a Rev. Denis Mahony who also leased a house and over 20 acres of land, a house and office in Clonmoyle West in one lease, and an “Office” in a second lease. An office could be any type of outbuilding, such as a barn, stable, blacksmith shop, piggery, etc.

    He is probably the Father D. Mahony who baptized Denis Keleher in the Aghabulloge Catholic Church on 18 May 1856. As noted earlier he may have been related to Eliza Mahony Keleher.

    Below is the Griffiths Valuation transcription for the leases held by the Rev. Denis Mahony:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 17 a
    Civil Parish: Aghabullogue
    Townland: Clonmoyle West
    Occupier: Rev. Denis Mahony
    Immediate Lessor: St. Fitzgibbon Cross
    Description of Tenement: House, office, & land
    Area of Land: 20 Acres, 1 Rood, 6 Perches
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 14 Pounds, 15 shillings
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 8 Pounds, 5 shillings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 23 Pounds
    ____

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 18 b
    Civil Parish: Aghabullogue
    Townland: Clonmoyle West
    Occupier: Rev. Denis Mahony
    Immediate Lessor: St Fitgibbon Cross
    Description of Tenement: Office
    Area of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 2 Shillings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 2 Shillings
    ____

    I have not found a way to link or attach Griffiths Valuation maps to replies such as this. But I can show you on a similar Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period, the locations, or approximate locations of the properties that Denis Keleher and the Rev. Denis Mahony had leased in Clonmoyle West, County Cork.

    Go to the map of Clonmoyle West at: https://bit.ly/2Nm8fFQ

    In the lower-center of the map you’ll see what looks like a T-junction with an oblong box in the center of the T-junction. This is just to the left of the initials OSI, which stands for Ordnance Survey Ireland. The T-junction is also just across from the “Race Cource.” I believe the oblong box, across the road from the race course, is the house that Denis Keleher had leased in Clonmoyle West at Map Reference 7 b.

    Concerning the location of the Rev. Denis Mahony’s leases in Clonmoyle, as far as I could determine his lease were near the Clonmoyle House as shown in the Ordnance Survey Map at: https://bit.ly/2BF5i0f

    THE 1901 CENSUS

    Your information shows that Denis Keleher had lived in Carhue Upper. I found the person I suspect to be your Denis Keleher in the 1901 census showing he was the resident of ”a house 3 in Carhue Upper (Magourney, Cork).” House 3 does not refer to the street number of the house but to the number on the census form.

    Denis is shown to be a 74 year old retired farmer who could read and write and who could speak both Irish and English. In the household with him is his 31 year old son, Jeremiah, who is employed as a National Teacher, and who could also speak Irish and English. He is not married.

    Also in the household is Denis’s nephew, 10 year old Denis Patrick Keleher, who is a scholar, that is, a student.

    The last resident named in the household is 14 year old servant, Hanora Flynn. All in the household were born in County Cork, and all could read and write. The census transcription blow comes from the National Archives of Ireland which you can view at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Magourney/Carhue_…

    Make sure to click on, “Show all information,” to view the full transcription of the census.

    You can view a copy of the original 1901 census for the Keleher household at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000542627/

    You can see Denis’s signature in the lower right of the census form.

    Denis’s wife Eliza must have died between the birth of Patrick in 1869 and the 1901 census. I looked for her death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website and found it. Eliza died in Carhue on January 14, 1900 at the age of 59 years. At the time of death she was married and was a “Dairyman’s Wife.” The cause of death was, “Debility ten days. No med att,” meaning she had no medical attention. The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was Eliza’s son Jeremiah of Carhue. The registrar, whose name appears to be T. Crowly, recorded the death in the Macroom Registration District on January 24, 1900. Eliza’s death is Number 231, or the first entry in the attached death register.

    I didn’t find Denis Keleher in the 1911 census and so I looked for his death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website. I found that Denis died in Carrigagulla, Cork, on 14 December 1901. At the time of death he was a 64 year old widower. His occupation had been “dairyman.” The cause of death was “Senile debility 12 months. Certified.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was his son-in-law, Denis Keleher of Carrigagulla. The registrar, whose last name was Donoghue, recorded the death in the Macroom Registration District on 21 December 1901. Denis’s death is the last entry at Number 129 in the attached death register.

    What this death record indicates is that Denis’s daughter Honoria, had married a fellow with the same name as her father. Hanoria is the only daughter of Denis and Eliza that I discovered in the baptism and or birth records.

    I looked for Denis and Honoria Keleher in the 1901 census in Carrigagulla, and found them as, “Residents of a house 5 in Carrigagulla (Kilberrihert, Cork). The census shows that Denis Keleher is a 48 year old farmer who could read and write and speak Irish and English. He was also married. His wife is 50 year old Norah. Norah is an alternative name for Honoria. She is listed as a “Farmers Wife,” who could also read and write and speak Irish and English. Denis and Norah have 5 children in the household with them, all the children are recorded as “Scholars.”

    The children are: 13 year old Julia; 11 year old John; 7 year old Mathew; 5 year old Jerome; and 3 year old Eliza. You can view the transcription of the Keleher family in the 1901 census at the following National Archives of Ireland link: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kilberrihert/Carr…

    You can also access a copy of the original 1901 census for the Keleher family at:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000544828/

    Based on the information in Denis Keleher’s death record and the 1901 census, I now wanted to see if I could find the marriage record for a Denis Keleher and a Nora or Honoria Keleher. The marriage record would also have to show that Norah’s father was named Denis, and that Denis’s occupation would be Dairyman. The oldest child of Denis and Norah Keleher in the 1901 census is 13 year old Julia. If Julia’s age is accurate, she would have been born circa 1888, and so I looked for the marriage of her parents between 1885 and 1888.

    I found the marriage record at irishgenealogy.ie showing that Denis Keleher and Hanoria Keleher were married in the Catholic Church of Aghabulloge on 22 February 1887. Both were of “Full age,” at the time of marriage. Denis’s occupation was “Farmer. His residence at the time of the marriage was “Carrig ulla,” which of course would be, “Carrigagulla.” His father was John Keleher, a farmer.

    Hanoria is shown to be a “Dairymans daughter.” Her residence at the time of marriage was Dromatimore. Her father is Denis Keleher, a “Dairyman. The parish Priest who married Denis and Hanoria was John McCarthy. The witnesses to the marriage were Nora Murphy and John Keleher. The registrar, Timothy Crowley, recorded the marriage in the Macroom Registration District on 25 March 1887. The marriage is Number 147 in the attached marriage register.

    This proves that Denis’s daughter Norah/Hanoria, had married a man by the name of Denis Keleher.

    A Google Map shows that Carrigagulla, where Denis Keleher died, and Dromatimore, where his daughter Norah was living at the time of the 1901 census, are 7.4 miles from each other: https://is.gd/N6cJ78

    The 1911 census shows that 58 year old Denis and 53 year old Norah “Kelleher” are still living in Carrigagulla. The census shows that Denis and Norah, as of 1911, had been married 24 years, and in that time period had 7 children, with 6 children still living. You can view the census transcription from the National Archives of Ireland at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilberrihert/Carr…

    A copy of the original 1911 census for the family of Denis and Norah Kelleher can be accessed at:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001969009/

    In your message to IrelandXO you wrote that Timothy Keleher married Margaret O’Sullivan in 1893. I didn’t find the marriage for a Timothy Kelleher and Margaret O’Sullivan recorded in 1893, but did thier marriage record which shows that Timothy “Kelleher” married Margaret O’Sullivan in the Catholic Chapel of Kilcorney on October 8, 1895. Both were of “Full age,” at the time of marriage. Timothy was a bachelor and Margaret a spinster when they married. Timothy’s occupation was farmer. His residence at the time of marriage was Coachford, which is one of the towns you had mentioned in your message. His father is Denis Keleher whose occupation was “Farmer,” not Dairyman. His father Denis would have been both a dairyman and a farmer.

    Margaret did not have an occupation at the time of marriage. Her residence at the time of marriage looks like either Shanakeel or Shanakul. This is probably a reference to Shanakill, in the parish of Kilcorney. Margaret’s father is Cornelius O’Sullivan, a farmer. The priest who married Timothy and Margaret was Andrew O’Riordan. The witnesses to the marriage were John D. Kelleher and Eliza May O’Callaghan.

    Timothy signed the marriage with the spelling of his last name as “Kelleher,” rather than Keleher. Margaret signed the register as Maggie O’Sullivan.

    The registrar, William Radley Leader recorded the marriage in the Millstreet Registration District on 9 October 1895. The marriage record is attached to this reply.

    A Google Map shows the locations of Coachford (where Timothy had been residing), Shanakill (where Margaret was living), and Kilcorney, where they married: https://is.gd/nNpDg8

    Another Google Map shows the name of the Catholic Church in Kilcorney is St. Nicholas: https://is.gd/v0bduk

    The following Google Street View will take you to an image of the church of St. Nicholas and graveyard in Kilcorney: https://is.gd/QY0uNy

    According to the 1901 census 37 year old Timothy Kelleher and his 29 year old wife Maggie, and their 3 children were residents of a house 5 in Shanakill (Kilcarney, Cork.). Kilcarney may have been a transcription error in deciphering the 1901 census, or an alternate way to spell Kilcorney.

    The census shows that Timothy was a farmer and that he could read and write. Maggie could also read and write. Their 3 children are 4 year old Denis, 3 year old Cornelius, and 1 year old Maggie. Also is the household are 30 year old farm servants Maggie Casey and 47 year old John Donoughue. You can access a transcription of the 1901 census at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kilcarney/Shanaki…

    You can view a copy of the original 1901 census at the following National Library of Ireland link:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000584935/

    The 1911 census shows that 49 year old Timothy Kelleher and his 40 year old wife Margaret were still living in Shanakill, Kilcorney. The census shows that Timothy is a farmer, and that he and his wife Margaret had been married for 15 years as of 1911, and in that time had 7 children, with all 7 children still alive. The 7 children are in the household with their parents. There is also a border in the household. He is National School Teacher Patrick Fitzgerald, 35 years old and single. Patrick Fitzgerald may have been friend with Timothy’s brother Jeremiah, who was also a National School Teacher.

    You can view the 1911 census transcription from the National Archives of Ireland at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilcorney/Shanaki…

    A copy of the original 1911 census for the family of Timothy and Margaret Kelleher can be viewed at:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002006738/

    JEREMIAH KELLEHER 1911 CENSUS

    Earlier in this reply you saw that 31 year old Jeremiah Keleher was in the 1901 living in the household of his father Denis, in the townland of Carhue Upper. In the census he was employed as a “National Teacher,” and was single.

    I looked for Jeremiah in the 1911 census and found that he was married and a resident of “a house 9 in Dromatimore (Clonmoyle, Cork).” If you recall, Dromitamore was the residence of his sister Hanora when she married Denis Keleher in the Catholic Church of Aghabullogue on 22 February 1887.

    In the 1911 census 43 year old Jeremiah is still employed as a National School Teacher. His wife is 37 year old Ellen. The census shows they had been married for 9 years as of 1911 but had no children. In the household with them is a niece, 12 year old Annie Francis Boyle born in the City of Cork. Also in the household are two nephews, 10 year old John Joseph Boyle and 6 year old Daniel Boyle, both born in the City of Cork. The three Boyle children are scholars, or students. Everyone in the household was Roman Catholic and born in County Cork, according to the census transcription from the National Archives of Ireland at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Clonmoyle/Dromati…

    To view a copy of the original 1911census for the Kelleher family go to the following link:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001964122/

    JEREMIAH KELEHER MARRIAGE

    Like his sister Hanora, Jeremiah also married a Kelleher. Her first name was Ellen. They were married in the St. Nicholas Presbytery on 11 February 1902 by Father Timothy Murphy. At the time of marriage both Jeremiah and Ellen were of “full” age. Jeremiah had been a bachelor and Ellen a spinster. Jeremiah’s occupation was “N. Teacher,” meaning National Teacher. His address at the time of marriage was Carhue, Coachford. His father was Denis Kelleher, a farmer.

    Ellen did not have an occupation. Her residence at the time of marriage was Castleview. Her father was Daniel Kelleher, a farmer. The witnesses to the marriage were Richard Nagle and Kate Kelleher. The marriage was recorded on 13 February 1902 in the Dunmanway Registration District by the Registrar, M. McSwiney. The marriage is at number 159 in the attached register.

    Jeremiah’s brother Timothy and Timothy’s wife Margaret O’Sullivan were married in the St. Nicholas Presbytery in 1895. As noted earlier, the St. Nicholas Church was located in Kilcorney.

    Concerning the first-born Jerry/Jeremiah Keleher, he would have died between the year of his birth (1861), and the year his namesake was born in 1867. The government in Ireland did not keep birth, marriage, and death records for all religious denominations until 1864. The irishgenealogy.ie website has only death indexes available from 1864 to 1877. Copies of original death records are available from 1878 to 1969. I did not find a death index for Jerry/Jeremiah Kelher/Kelleher between 1864 and 1867, which means he either died before 1864 or his parents did not report his death to the local registrar.

    Unfortunately, the Aghabullogue Catholic Church does not have burial records available that would have recorded Jerry’s death.

    Liz, I tried to find more information about Daniel Keleher/Kelleher, as I know you are interested in him as well. There may be a marriage or death record for him, but I just could not identify him with any certainty in marriage, death, or census records, as there is more than one Daniel Keleher who had lived in the same areas of Cork as your own Keleher ancestors did.

    JOHN KELLEHER

    I found what I believe may be the 1901 census enumeration for John Kelleher. If you recall John was born in Clonmoyle in 1865.

    The 1901 census shows that 36 year old John, his 34 year old wife Katie, their 1 year old son Denis, and two servants were residents of house 1 in Rusheen, Kilberrihert, Cork. Both John and Katie were National School Teachers. Katie could speak Irish and English. One of the domestic servants in the household is 16 year old Ellen O’Connor, who could speak Irish and English. The other servant is 52 year old Catherine Sheehan, a child’s maid and domestic servant who is married and who could also speak Irish and English. You can view the 1901 census transcription at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kilberrihert/Rush…

    To access a copy of the original 1901 census for the Kelleher household go to:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000544716/

    I found John Kelleher’s marriage record showing he and Katie Nagle were married in the Catholic Chapel of Aghinagh by Father Martin Hennessey on February 27, 1897. At the time of the both were of “Full age.” John had been a bachelor while Katie was a spinster. Both were teachers. John Kelleher’s residence at the time of marriage is “Carough.” I believe this is the misspelling of the townland of Carhue, where John’s father Denis is recorded in the 1901 census. John’s father is shown to be Denis, employed as a farmer in the marriage record.

    Katie’s address at the time of marriage was Inchalagh. Her father is David Nagle, whose occupation looks like, “Vintner,” or person who sells wines. The witnesses to the marriage were Jeremiah D. Kelleher and Sarah J. Nagle. The marriage was recorded in the Macroom Registration District by the registrar, Patrick O’Donoghue, who recorded the marriage almost a year later, on 26 January 1898. The marriage record is Number 246 in the attached register.

    The 1911 census shows the family of 46 year old John and 43 year old Katie Kelleher and their three children were living in the townland of Dromacullen. Both John and Katie were national teachers. The census also shows that as of 1911 they were married for 14 years. In that time they had 5 children, with 3 of the children still living. The children, all scholars and all born in County Cork are 11 year old Denis; 9 year old David John; and 3 year old Elizabeth Mary Christina. John and Katie’s niece, 15 year old Kathleen Mary Veronica McGorry is also in the household. She is a scholar. There is also a general domestic servant in the household, 46 year old Kate Connell. You can view the 1911 census transcription of the Kelleher household at:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilberrihert/Drom…

    To view a copy of the original 1911 census for the Kelleher household, go to: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001968812/

    PATRICK KELLEHER IN KENTUCKY

    I located 31 year old Father Patrick Kelleher in the 1900 U.S. Federal census living on 1308 Market Street in Louisville, Kentucky. The census, which comes from ancestry.com, shows he was born in Ireland in April of 1869. The census does not give his year of immigration however. The head of the household is 56 year old Father Thomas Gambon, also from Ireland. Also in the household, and listed as a border is 60 year old Mary Curly born in Ireland. She may have been the housekeeper. The church janitor, 65 year old Tobias Berry, from Missouri, is also in the household. The census is attached to this reply.

    The church on Market Street where father Kelleher and Father Gambon celebrated Mass, was the former St. Patrick’s. The church rectory is just to the left of the church, located at the corner of West Market Street and South 13th Street in Louisville. Today the church is the St. Dismas Charities rehabilitation center. You can view the location of the former church at the following Google Map: https://is.gd/oxjudL

    You can also see the church and rectory at the following Google Street View: https://is.gd/ehNcu3

    The attached rectory on the left of the church is the rectory where Patrick Kelleher would have been living when the census taker, William W. Crawford, came by on June 4, 1900.

    To view an old and blurry interior photo of the former St. Patrick’s Church go to the pinterst link at: https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/574842339930033576/

    Also see: https://www.pinterest.com/phippsgreg/old-st-patricks-catholic-church-cl…

    One of the church’s stain glass windows of an Irish harp, reveals this was a church that was likely built by residents of the area who were from Ireland: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/566116615637284489/

    You can also read information about Patrick Kelleher and view a photo of his gravestone in Louisville, Kentucky at the Find A Grave website link at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191873021

    For an enlarged view of Patrick’s gravestone go to: https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2018/212/191873021_1533143292.jpg

    The gravestone gives Patrick’s ordination date as June 29, 1893.

    While at ancestry.com I also found three Louisville, Kentucky city directory listings for Patrick J. Kelleher. The first listing is from the 1897 Caron’s Directory, showing Patrick was living at 1305 West Market Street. See a transcription of the listing below:

    U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995

    Name: Patrick Kelleher
    Residence Year: 1897
    Street address: 1305 W Market
    Residence Place: Louisville, Kentucky, USA
    Publication Title: Louisville, Kentucky, City Directory, 1897

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
    ____

    A copy of the original 1897 directory listing is attached.

    The second listing is from the year 1900 and gives the Rev. Patrick J. Kelleher’s address as 1306 West Market Street. The transcription below also shows he was an “Assistant Pastor.”

    U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995

    Name: Rev Patrick J Kelleher
    Gender: Male
    Residence Year: 1900
    Street address: 1306 W Mkt
    Residence Place: Louisville, Kentucky, USA
    Occupation: Assistant Pastor
    Publication Title: Louisville, Kentucky, City Directory, 1900

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
    ____

    A copy of the original 1900 directory listing is attached and gives the further information that Patrick was a reverend and an assistant pastor at St Patrick’s Church. The actual directory listing shows he was a resident of 1305 West Market Street, rather than 1306 West Market as transcribed above. The 1900 directory is attached.

    The last directory listing that Patrick was recorded in was for the year 1902. In this listing he was living at 2213 12th Street in Louisville. The transcription is below:

    U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
    Name: Rev Patrick J Kelleher
    Gender: Male
    Residence Year: 1902
    Street address: 2213 12th
    Residence Place: Louisville, Kentucky, USA
    Publication Title: Louisville, Kentucky, City Directory, 1902

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
    ____

    The 1902 directory listing is attached.

    12th Street runs north and south in Louisville and so I’m not sure if 2213 12th Street in 1902, would be the same location it is today, as 2213 12th Street is a little over 2 ½ miles south of Market Street, where St. Patrick’s Church was located: https://is.gd/07ZVxM

    CONCLUSION

    There are 13 attachments with this reply, including:

    John Keleher 1865 birth
    Jeremiah Keleher 1867 birth
    Patrick Keleher 1869 birth
    Eliza Keleher 1900 death
    Denis Keleher 1901 death
    Keleher and Keleher 1887 marriage
    Keleher and O’Sullivan 1895 marriage
    Jeremiah and Ellen Keleher 1902 marriage
    Keleher and Nagle 1897 marriage
    Patrick Kelleher 1900 census
    Patrick Kelleher 18987 directory listing
    Patrick Kelleher 1900 directory listing
    Patrick Kelleher 1902 directory listing
    ____

    Liz, this reply took a little bit longer than I thought, as I didn’t expect to find information about Patrick Kelleher in Louisville, Kentucky.

    With Best Wishes

    Dave

    davepat

    Sunday 28th Jun 2020, 02:22AM
  • Dave,

    Thank you so much for this amzing amount of work! You have put my years of research to shame is what you can achieve in what seemed to me a short amount of time!! The only thing I noticed is that Elizabeth Mahnoy's age at death (1900) was 59 making her birth date 1841 but I have her as 1834 ?!  and Denis I believe appears to be out also. His death in 1901 has him at 64 years of age - born approx. 1837 but census he's 74? Thinking I've been working off the wrong birth certs as surely they wouldn't make a mistake the death certs? Marriage states full age so they gave away nothing here.

    I will figure this out.

    Again - thanks ever so mcu for all this work.

    Best Wishes,

    Liz

    Tuesday 30th Jun 2020, 08:26PM
  • Hi Liz,

    Many thanks for your reply and kind words. The 1901 and 1911 census enumerations are very often not accurate about a person's age. Neither are death certificates always accurate. A lot of our Irish ancestors were born just before, during, or after the Great Famine when it wasn't a priority to remember a person's birthday. The gravestones of my Irish ancestors all have the incorrect dates of their births. The births would have been told to the stone cutter by family members who you think would have known when their father or mother were born. But I don't think they did know the exact dates of births for their parents, probably because the parents didn't know the exact dates of their own births either.

    But, I would encourage you do to some additional research in case I do not have the correct Keleher families in these census records, as I am not as familiar with the Keleher ancestry as you are. If you do find differences, please let me know.

    It was very sad to read that Father Patrick Kelleher died young in Louisville, Kentucky. It makes you wonder if anyone from Louisville wrote back to any of his families members in Ireland, informing them that he died.

    Once again Liz, thank you for writing back. It is very much appreciated. Good luck with your further research.

    Dave

    davepat

    Wednesday 1st Jul 2020, 01:24PM

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