I read with interest your article on marriage records and what can be learned.
My 3rd great grandparents, William Herlihy and Margaret Walsh, were married on Feb 23, 1841 in Killavullen, Ireland along with 12 other couples!
Since I do not have a birth record for either I found the idea of estimating of their ages at the time of marriage intriguing. In later US census records they consistently reported a 5-6 year age difference. So estimating her age being 16 and his 22 seems to make sense.
The reference to the marriage location being the groom’s home town makes sense too as I know that William Herlihy’s family was from Killavullen. The origin of Margaret’s family, and as a result her mother’s maiden name, remains a mystery I have been trying to solve for many years.
Any ideas are appreciated!
PamelaShea2
Sunday 12th Feb 2023, 11:03PMMessage Board Replies
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Hello Pamela,
Have you found Margaret's death record? If so, does it list her parents' names?
I took a look at the 1880 and 1870 federal censuses, and there are Walshes and Welches listed on the same page as the Herlihys, sometimes in the same building. They are likely Margaret's relatives. You may be able to find additional information about Margaret through researching them.
Just an idea.
I hope this is helpful.
Patricia
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Pamela:
The subscription site Roots Ireland has two Margaret Walsh baptismal records in Killavullen RC parish.
Margaret Walsh baptized May 8 1816 father John Walsh mother Mary Nagle
Margaret Walsh baptized September 10 1823 father Thomas Walsh mother Ellen Egan They lived in Ballincurrig townland in Monaminy civil parish
Likely the second record is a better lead.
I did not find any William Herlihy baptismal records in Killavullen RC parish.
Roger McDonnell
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
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Thank you for your responses!
I have gotten the death records for both ancestors. William Herlihy's states his parents were William Herlihy and Mary Drislane. Margaret Walsh Herlihy's parents were John Welsh and Margaret. The Herlihy family immigrated to the US in 1850. Patrick Herlihy is listed as her witness to their marriage and so I am guessing she had a brother Patrick and also a sister Elizabeth who acted as a godparent. Based on the various records I estimate Margaret's birth year as roughly 1820-25. Keefe, Griffin, Norris, McCarthy, Hogan, Sullivan, Duane, Higgins, and Magner are names of godparents. There was also an association with the Condon and O'Donnell families in Kildorrery. I will also attach the list of fellow travelers to the US.
The family I have been looking at is John Walsh and Margaret Brien in Killavullen. This seemed like a likely match because William Herlihy stayed with the O'Brien family when he first arrived in the US. Unfortunately, the Margaret baptised in 1810 would be too old and there is no Patrick or Elizabeth recorded.
Another family is the John Walsh and Margaret Neile family but they are from Aghada which I figured was too far from Killavullen and thererfore unlikely.
I am ready to give up the figure the records don't exist.
Pamela
PamelaShea2
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Pamela,
Even though I asked if you had the parents' names from death records, I know that sometimes those names are incorrect. Obviously they were not provided by the deceased. The names were given by a third party who may have not had the correct information, been confused, been grieving, etc. I've often seen incorrect names of parents on death records; I've even seen the name of a stepparent given as a parent. So perhaps keep this in mind.
Patricia
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Thanks, Patricia, I was thinking the same thing! The Mary Nagle seems more likely as I was told by a great uncle that the family was related to Nagles. However some of the information he provided was wrong.
These are the children of
William Herlihy (parents William and Mary Drislane)
and Margaret Walsh (parents: John and?)
They used the typical naming patterns however it is confusing when the grandparents had the same names and I don't know where Bridget came from. When you have a minute could you let me know the children of the John and Mary Nagle family. Thank you! Pamela
John Joseph Herlihy 1842
David Herlihy 1851
Mary E. Herlihy 1852
Cornelius Herlihy 1855
Johanna a.k.a. Hannah Herlihy 1857
Ellen M. Herlihy 1858
PamelaShea2
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Children of John Walsh and Mary Nagle, two born Killavullen parish, two born Doneraile parish; these places are close to each other. Source: Roots Ireland.
Baptism Walsh Mary 1809 Co. Cork Baptism Walsh Margaret 1816 Co. Cork Baptism Walsh Mary 1822 Co. Cork Baptism Walsh Ellen 1825 Co. Cork Patricia
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Thanks Patricia,
Surprised there are no brothers as she seems to have a had a brother Patrick, Maybe I should keep searching.
This is frustrating.
Thanks again for your help!
Pamela
PamelaShea2