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Looking for any info on my great aunt's family who married a Pat O Connor April 24, 1906..a draper in Castletownroche .I believe he is the son of an Edmund Flannery.

Steve Campbell

Campbell

Saturday 12th December 2020, 02:39PM

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  • Steve:

    We are trying to respond to some older messages that did not receive a reply. Can you clarify the names? What was your great aunt's name? How was Pat O'Connor the son of Edmund Flannery?

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 2nd January 2021, 09:12PM
  • Hello Steve,

    According to their civil registration marriage record found the free irishgenealogy.ie website, Patrick O’Connor and Mary Ralleigh were married in St. Finbar’s Catholic Church, Cork City, on April 24, 1906. This is the exact date of marriage you have for them. At the time of marriage both were of “full age.” Patrick had been a bachelor. His occupation was “Draper.” His residence at the time of marriage was Castletown Roche, Fermoy. The marriage record further shows that his father, who was still living, was Edmund O’Connor, not Edmund Flannery. Edmund O’Connor’s occupation is “Shopkeeper.”

    At the time of marriage Mary Ralleigh was a spinster. No occupation is recorded for her. Her residence at the time of marriage was 5 Old Georges Street. Her father is Denis Ralleigh, who was still living. Denis’s occupation is difficult to decipher because of the handwriting.

    The priest who married Patrick and Mary was Mark Leonard, C.C. The initials C.C. stand for “Catholic Curate.” The witnesses to the marriage were Robert Magner and Kathleen Ralleigh. Kathleen was likely Mary’s sister. The marriage was recorded in the Cork Registration District by the registrar, Patrick J. Hayes, on 20 June 1906. The marriage is the first one in the register which you can access at: https://is.gd/Ecjd2w

    Before the marriage register entry appears, you’ll see a prompt such as “Capcha/I’m not a robot.” Tick/check the box. The next thing you have to do is type your first and last name, and tick/check the box, and then click “Submit.” You’ll then be able to see the register where the marriage is recorded.

    I suspect that Mary Ralleigh O’Connor is the great aunt you mentioned in your query to Ireland Reaching Out.

    For the next search I looked for Mary Ralleigh and her father Denis in the 1901 census of Ireland. I located them in the census at the National Archives of Ireland website, which shows they were the “Residents of a house 5 in Georges Street,” Cork City. The census shows that Denis Ralleigh is a 54 year old widower who is an “R.I.C. Pensioner and Vintner.” Vinter was the occupation I couldn’t make out in the marriage record for Patrick and Mary.

    The initials R.I.C. stand for Royal Irish Constabulary. What this tells us is that after Denis retired as a police officer, he began selling wine. The census further shows that Denis was born in Queens County and that he could read and write. Today, Queens County is County Laois.

    Several of Denis’s children are in the household with him. The oldest is 22 year old Mary J. Ralleigh. She would go on to marry Patrick O’Connor in 1906. Mary was born in County Clare. Her occupation is “Housekeeper.” The census also shows she could read and write and that she was not married. The other children in the household, all born in County Clare, are 14 year old Kathleen (she was one of the witnesses to the 1906 marriage; 9 year old Helena; 6 year old Bridget; and 11 year old Robert J. Ralleigh. The census shows that Robert is the only one in the household who can speak both Irish and English. Also in the household is a servant, 22 year old Mary Cruise, born in Cork; 47 year old William Murphy, a boarder who is a Coast Guard Pensioner; and 20 year old Christopher Rennison, a boarder whose occupation was a hall porter in a hotel. The 1901 census transcription for the Ralleigh household can be accessed at the National Archives of Ireland link at: https://is.gd/os62eu

    Once the census downloads, make sure you tick the box, “Show all information,” to view the full census page.

    You can view a copy of the original 1901 census for the Ralleigh household at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000522930/

    Ages in the 1901 and 1911 Irish census enumerations were not always accurate. Having been 22 years old in 1901 means that Mary Ralleigh was born circa 1879. More on Mary’s birth later.

    DENIS RALLEIGH’S RIC PENSION RECORD

    At the Ancestry.com website I found the Royal Irish Constabulary pension record for Denis Ralleigh, showing that he retired with the rank of Sergeant in County Clare when he was 52 years old. The date of the “Commencement” of the pension is 11 September 1895. At age 52 in 1895, Denis would have been born circa 1843. His annual pension is £72. The pension was being sent to County Cork. Denis’s pension record is attached to this reply. It is located on the right-hand page at Number 6579.

    I now wanted to see if I could find Mary Ralleigh’s birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website. Her birth record would not only record where she was born in County Clare, but also give the first and maiden name of her mother, as well as the occupation of her father Denis. I looked for he birth record circa 1879, plus and minus 5 years in case he age of 22 in the 1901 census is not correct.

    I found her birth record though it is somewhat faded and difficult to read in spots. Mary Josephine “Raleigh” was born on what could be 12 July 1878 in Ennistymon, County Clare. Her father is Denis Raleigh, a “Policeman” residing in Ennistymon. Mary’s mother is Ellen Raleigh, formerly “Flanery.” Steven, this is where the Flannery name comes into your genealogical record. Mary’s father Denis reported the birth to the registrar, Thomas Foley Brew, who recorded the birth in the Ennistymon Registration District on 12 July 1878. Mary’s birth is Number 239 in the register, which you can access at: https://is.gd/vp9p01

    I now wanted to see if I could locate Mary’s baptism record. For this search I went to the Find My Past (FMP) website, which is mainly a subscription-based, or Pay-As-You-Go website, with the exception that FMP does not charge to search Irish Catholic baptisms, marriages, and available church burial transcriptions for all of Ireland for much of the 19th century.

    The search engine for the FMP baptism transcriptions can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/jnmqmuv

    The search engine for Catholic marriages can be accessed at: http://tinyurl.com/jzylkjy

    For Catholic Parish burial transcriptions go to the search engine at: http://tinyurl.com/j9qe5p9

    Attached to each FMP baptism, marriage, and burial transcriptions are links that will take you to copies of the original parish registers held by the National Library of Ireland in Dublin.

    I found Mary Ralleigh’s baptism transcription at the FMP website. Her first and middle names are in the Latin, Maria Josephina. Her last name is spelled Ralleigh. Her baptism took place in the Kilmanaheen Catholic Parish on 10 July 1878. The townland of Ennistymon was located in the Kilmanaheen Civil Parish.

    Maria’s father is Dionysio, which is the Latin for Denis. Her mother’s name is transcribed as Helena “Hannery,” rather than Flannery, probably because of the handwriting in the baptism register itself. You can view the FMP baptism transcription for Maria (after establishing a free account) at the following link:
    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F5263227

    The National Library of Ireland holds a copy of the original Kilmanaheen baptism register where Maria baptism can be found. To access the register, go to:
    https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634162#page/87/mode/1up

    Once the page downloads you’ll see two facing pages of the register. Baptisms in this register span both pages. You can enlarge the register by means of round icons in the upper center/right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

    This is one of the Catholic Parish register that also records the date of birth of the child. Maria’s baptism is the 5th entry up from the bottom of the register. The left page of the register shows that she was born on 10 July. To the right of her name are the names of her parents and to the right of the parents is their residence of Ennistymon. The right-hand register page shows that Maria was also baptized on 10 July. To the right of her baptism date is the name of the priest who baptized her. In this case you’ll see what looks like, “Redunundo Newel.” In this case I believe Redunundo means a redundancy of the first name shown earlier in the register. In other words a ditto of the first name of the priest. You have to go to the top of the right hand page of the register to find that Father Newel’s first name is “Thoma,” that is, Thomas. To the right of the priest’s name are the names of the sponsors, or godparents. They are Jacobus (James) McCarthy, and Brigida (Bridget) Flannery. Bridget Flannery was likely Ellen’s sister.

    The next search involved looking for the civil marriage record for Denis Ralleigh/Raleigh and Ellen Flanery/Flannery. Because Denis was a constable born in Queens County, and because he may not have lived in County Clare at the time of marriage, I looked for the marriage record both in County Clare, County Cork, and other counties in Ireland. I found their marriage record at the irishgenealogy.ie website, which shows they were married in St. Patrick’s Church, Cork City, on July 7, 1877.

    At the time of marriage both Denis “Ralleigh” and Ellen Flannery were of full age. He had been a bachelor and she a spinster. Denis’s occupation is “Subconstable R.I.C.” His residence at the time of marriage was Glanmire. His father is Denis Ralleigh, a farmer who was still living.

    No occupation is recorded for Ellen Flannery. Her address at the time of marriage was Churchtown. Her father is a Shop Keeper named Francis Flannery, who was still living. The priest who married Denis and Ellen was John Savage, R.C.C. (Roman Catholic Curate). The witnesses to the marriage were John Higgins and Julianna Murphy. The marriage was recorded by the registrar, D.D. Donavan in the Cork Registration District on 29 September 1877. The marriage record is Number 48, which is the first marriage in the register at: https://is.gd/nw6aYm

    A Google Map shows that St. Patrick’s Catholic Church is just north of the River Lee in Cork City, under a mile from St. Finbar’s Catholic Church, where their daughter Marty was married in 1906: https://is.gd/8RIFS8

    An enlarged Google Map shows that St. Patrick’s Church is located in the Lower Glanmire Road, Cork City: https://is.gd/FGEtsU

    For a Google Street View of St. Patrick’s Church, go to: https://is.gd/HaUPEb

    According to the stpatrickscork.com website, the first mass held in St. Patrick’s Church was on 11 October 1836: http://www.stpatrickscork.com/Gospel%20of%20Matthew.htm

    The St. Patrick’s Church sign shows the church was constructed in 1832: https://is.gd/LvcLWr

    Also see the GPSMyCity website for more information and a map of St. Patrick’s Church in the Lower Glanmire Road, Cork City:
    https://www.gpsmycity.com/attractions/st-patricks-catholic-church-7047.html

    The marriage record for Denis Ralleigh and Ellen Flannery shows that Denis had been living in Glanmire. A Google Map shows that Glanmire is 3.8 miles northeast of St. Patrick Roman Catholic Church in the Lower Glanmire Road, Cork City: https://is.gd/L4nzpg

    The marriage record further shows that Ellen Flattery’s residence at the time of marriage was Churchtown. Another Google Map shows that Churchtown is 34 miles north of St. Patrick’s Church in Cork City: https://is.gd/o5wfLB

    I now looked for the St. Patrick’s Church marriage record for Denis Ralleigh and Ellen Flannery.

    I located the marriage transcription at the FMP website, but was surprised to discover that the marriage was recorded, not only in St. Patrick’s Church in Cork City, but also in the Liscarrol/Churchtown Catholic Parish Church.

    First, the St. Patrick’s Church marriage transcription: This shows that Denis and Ellen were married on 7 July 1877, the same date as found in the civil marriage record. The residence of both Denis and Ellen is recorded as Churchtown. However, in the civil marriage record Denis’s residence is Glanmire, but Ellen’s is Churchtown.

    You can access the FMP marriage transcription for Denis Ralleigh and Ellen Flannery at the FMP link at: https://is.gd/0uppew

    Linked to the transcription is a copy of the original St. Patrick’s Church marriage record for Denis and Ellen. This record comes from the National Library of Ireland. Go to: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633188#page/87/mode/1up

    The marriage for Denis Ralleigh and Ellen Flannery is 6th entry down from the top. The left-hand register page records the names of the groom and bride. The right-hand register page records the residence, the names of the witnesses to the marriage (John Higgins and Julianna Murphy), and the name of the priest who performed the marriage, John Savage, R.C.C.

    For the FMP transcription of the marriage in the Liscarrol/Churchtown Catholic Parish, go to:
    https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0339624%2F1

    A copy of the original Liscarrol/Churchtown marriage register from the National Library of Ireland can be found at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634604#page/87/mode/1up

    There are also two facing pages to this register, but marriages do not span both pages. The July 7, 1877 marriage entry for Denis Ralleigh and Ellen Flannery is the 8th entry down the left-hand register page, and shows that the witnesses to the marriage were John Higgins and Julia Anne Murphy. The priest who married the couple is John Savage. This is the same information found in the civil marriage record as well as the St. Patrick’s Catholic Church marriage record.

    The Roman Catholic Diocese of Cloyne website shows there are two Catholic Churches in the Liscarrol and Churchtown Parish. The church in Liscarrol is called St. Joseph’s. The church in Churchtown is called St. Nicholas. See the Diocese of Cloyne website for photos of the churches at: https://cloynediocese.ie/parish-churchtown-liscarroll/

    I am not sure why the marriage for Denis and Ellen had been recorded in both St. Patrick’s in Cork City, and St. Nicholas’s Church in Churchtown. The marriage ceremony may have actually taken place in Churchtown, as Ellen was living there at the time of marriage, and so the St. Nicholas Church would have been her parish church.

    According to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website, St. Nicholas Church was constructed circa 1860. For more information and a slide of the church, go to the Buildings of Ireland link at: https://is.gd/PaqRw7

    For Google Street Views of the St. Nicholas Church in Churchtown, go to https://is.gd/Ol2SJZ
    and https://is.gd/vEm0QK

    ELLEN FLANNRY RALLEIGH

    The 1901 census shows that 54 year old Denis Ralleigh is a widower. The youngest child in the Ralleigh household in the 1901 census is 6 year old Bridget, who was born in County Clare, like all the rest of her siblings. This means Bridget would have been born circa 1895, and that her mother Ellen would have died between 1895 and the 1901 census.

    I looked for Bridget’s birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website and found it. Bridget Teresa Ralleigh was born in Six Mile Bridge, County Clare, on June 29 1894. Her father is Denis Ralleigh, a Sergeant in the R.I.C. whose residence was Six Mile Bridge. Her mother is Ellen Ralleigh, formerly Flannery. Bridget’s mother Ellen reported the birth to the local registrar, whose name appears to be Edward Frost. He recorded Bridget’s birth in the Ennis, Clare Registration District on July 17, 1894. Bridget’s birth is Number 180 in the register at: https://is.gd/Tq6C3Z

    You saw earlier that Bridget’s older sister Mary Josephine Raleigh was born in Ennistymon, Clare, on 12 July 1878. A Google Map shows that Sixmilebridge is a little over 30 miles southeast of Ennistymon, and just east of the Shannon Airport: https://is.gd/FHfPuD

    For a Google Street View of Sixmilebridge, go to: https://is.gd/kCrT2I

    The birth of Bridget in 1894 indicates that her mother Ellen must have died between 1894 and 1901, and so I looked for Ellen’s death record at irishgenealogy.ie between those years, although I didn’t know if she had died in County Clare or in Cork City, where the family was enumerated in the 1901 census.

    I uncovered Ellen’s death record showing that died in Old Georges Street (Cork City) on 4 December 1900. At the time of death she was married and 42 years old. Her occupation is “Wife of a Vintner.” The cause of death was, “Pneumonia 6 days. Certified.” The person who was present at her death and who reported the death to the registrar was her husband Denis of Old Georges Street. The registrar, whose name looks like Denis J. Flynn, recorded Ellen’s death in the Cork Registration District almost a year after Ellen died, on 2 December 1901. Ellen’s death is the first one recorded at Number 169 in the death register at: https://is.gd/hQ7c2Z

    If Ellen’s age of 42 at the time of death in 1900 is accurate, she would have been born circa 1858. Her 1877 marriage record shows that her residence was in the Liscarrol/Churchtown Catholic Parish,, where her marriage was also recorded, and that her father was Francis, whose occupation was shop keeper.

    I looked for Ellen’s baptism record in the Liscarrol and Churchtown baptism registers, but didn’t find it. But I did find the FMP baptism indexes and transcriptions for 11 children of a Francis Flannery and a Susan/Susanna Winter. The baptisms took place between 1850 and 1868. You can view the indexes of the baptisms coming up. Susan’s maiden name isn’t in the indexes. You have to click on the page icon to the right of her first name in each index to download the transcriptions. See the indexes at: https://is.gd/lpqV9r

    Some of the baptism transcriptions show the family residence was Churchtown. I suspect, but cannot prove, that Francis Flannery and Susan Winter were Ellen’s parents.

    Mary (1864), Bridget (1866), and Robert Flannery (1868), were born when the government was recording births. I wanted to access copies of their original birth records to see if their father’s occupation had been shop keeper, as that was his occupation recorded in Ellen’s 1877 marriage to Denis Ralleigh.

    I located Mary’s birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website, which shows she was born in Churchtown on 16 May 1864. Her father is Francis Flannery, a Shop Keeper residing in Churchtown. Her mother is Susan Flannery, formerly Winter. Francis reported the birth to the deputy registrar, Nelson K. Cotter, who recorded Mary’s birth in the Mallow Registration District on 21 May 1864. Mary’s birth is Number 85 in the register at: https://is.gd/MDMSkS

    The birth records for Bridget and Robert Flannery also shows they were born in Churchtown. The birth records further show that their father was a shop keeper named Francis, and that the maiden name of their mother Susan was Winter.

    Bridget was born on 17 March 1866. Her birth is Number 438 in the register at: https://is.gd/UQsW3c

    Robert was born on 11 April 1868. His birth is Number 343 in the register at: https://is.gd/iMlYgH

    GRIFFITHS VALUATION

    Another record showing that Robert Flannery was living in Churchtown can be found in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation, which was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1865. The valuation for the Churchtown was completed by the year 1851, which is the year that Francis and Susan’s child Mary was born, according to her baptism record.

    Griffiths Valuation shows that Francis Flannery leased a house, offices, and yard in Churchtown, from a Sir Edward Tierney, who was a Baronet.

    Coincidentally, Griffiths Valuation shows that the house Francis leased was located in 3 George’s Street, in Churchtown. His lease was valued at 5 Pounds. The Griffiths Valuation transcription below for the property that Francis leased in Georges Street, Churchtown comes from the AskAboutIreland website:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 3
    Civil Parish: Churchtown
    Townland: Village of Churchtown
    Street: George’s-Street
    Occupier: Francis Flannery
    Immediate Lessor: Sir Edw. Tierney, Bart.
    Description of Tenement: House, offices, and yard
    Area of Land: 0
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 0
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 5 Pounds
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 5 Pounds
    ____

    An “office,” in a Griffiths Valuation refers to outbuildings such as barns, stables, blacksmith shops, piggeries, etc.

    Francis Flannery is the only person by that name recorded in Griffiths Valuation in County Cork.

    You can see the location of Georges Street, Churchtown, in a Buildings of Ireland map at: https://is.gd/VGQv7d

    The map shows that Georges Street T-junctions from the north into Kerry Lane. The church and graveyard near the junction of Georges Street and Kerry Lane is not the St. Nicholas Church. St. Nicholas Church is the blue structure you see at the bottom of the map from the Buildings of Ireland website.

    For a Google Street View of George’s Street go to: https://is.gd/zAsTOy

    At this point, it is only circumstantial evidence, under what is known as the Genealogical Proof Standard (GPS), that the Francis Flannery recorded in the baptism records, and Griffiths Valuation, is the father of Ellen Flannery Ralleigh. For more about circumstantial evidence and the GPS, see the FamilySearch article at: https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/genealogicalproofstandardpart1/

    THE 1911 CENSUS

    Moving on to the 1911 census of Ireland I found that the household of 65 year old Denis Ralleigh were, “Residents of a house 5 in Georges Street (Cork No. 6 Urban, Cork).” Denis is shown to be the head of the family who was born in Queens County. His occupation is “Ex Sergt Ric and Vintner.” The census also shows that he could read and write and that he was a widower. The census further shows that Denis had been married for 24 years as of 1911, and that in that time had 10 children, with 8 children still alive.

    Denis and Ellen Flattery were married in 1877, which would have been 34 years before 1911, not 24 years. The 1911 census shows there are 5 children in the household, all born in County Clare, except the youngest, Annie, who was 15 years old and born in Cork City. All the children are shown to be scholars, that is, students. There is also a lodger in the household whose first and middle names are Edward Colston. The letter A and a ?, are recorded as his last name, meaning it is probably illegible in a copy of the original 1911 census. Edward Colston is the only one in the household who was a member of the Church of Ireland rather than the Catholic Church. He was born in Bristol, England. His occupation is recorded as, “Clerk in Charge.” He may have been a clerk who worked for Denis in the vintner business. The transcription of the 1911 census from the National Archives of Ireland can be viewed at: https://is.gd/lCKlnM

    For a copy of the original 1911 census go to: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001877074/

    DENIS RALLEIGH’S DEATH RECORD

    Denis Ralleigh’s death record shows that he died on February 4, 1931. The location of his death is difficult to read because of the handwriting, but looks like 10 Ferriside Villas, Summerhill South, Cork City. At the time of death, Denis was an 82 year old widower. His occupation is recorded as, “Ex sergeant R.I.C.” The cause of death was, “Senile Decay. Certified.” Up to this point, the term, “Senile Decay,” had been used in countless Irish death records, when it is actually not known what the real cause of death was. The person who was present at the death, and who reported the death to the assistant registrar was Denis’s son Robert James Ralleigh, of 10 Ferriside Villas, Summerhill South. The assistant registrar, whose name looks like it could be Patrick McDonnell, record the death in the Cork Registration District on February 9, 1931. Denis’s death is the last one in the register at Number 451: https://is.gd/eI2kSW

    When Denis retired from the police force in 1895 he was age 52, according to his pension record. At 52 years old in 1895, Denis would have been born circa 1843.

    In the 1901 census Denis Ralleigh’s age is recorded as 54 years old, placing his year of birth circa 1847. In the 1911 census his age is 65 years old, placing his year of birth circa 1846. Both census enumerations show his place of birth was Queens County, today known as County Laois.

    Denis Ralleigh’s age of 82 years old when he died in 1931, places his year of birth circa 1849. His age is not recorded in his 1877 marriage to Ellen Flannery, but the name of his father is. His father is also named Denis. With this information to go on, I looked for his baptism record between the years 1840 and 1850 at the FMP website, and found that a “Dennis Rally” was baptized in the Catholic Parish of Portarlington, in June of 1842. The FMP baptism transcription shows that the Portarlington Catholic Parish was located in both County Offaly, which was known as Kings County, and County Laois, formerly Queens County. The baptism transcription further shows that Denis’s father was Denis Rally and that his mother was Mary Foran. You can access the baptism transcription from FMP at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F7171059

    A copy of the original baptism record from the National Library of Ireland shows that Dennis Rally was baptized on June 12, 1842. His godparents are Hugh Foran and Anne Curran. His baptism is on the right-hand register page, 4th baptism entry down from the top at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634550#page/165/mode/1up

    The Portarlington baptism index from the FMP website, shows the baptism of two other children of Dennis Ralleigh/Rally and Mary Foran. These children are John (1838); and James (1840): https://is.gd/QLmhnS

    Denis Rally and Mary Foran were married in the Portarlington Catholic Parish on 19 November 1837, according to the FMP transcription at: https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F1516214%2F1

    A copy of their original Portarlington Parish marriage is the last entry recorded on the left-hand marriage register page at: https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634550#page/223/mode/1up

    The names of the witnesses to the marriage are difficult to read, but the first name of one of the witnesses looks like Robt. And the second witness, Judy. Her last name may be Neile.

    A map of the Portarlington Catholic Parish from the National Library of Ireland shows the parish in both counties Offaly (Kings) and County Laois (Queens). Queens County is just below the dotted line on the map. The dotted line is actually the River Barrow separating the two counties: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0724

    The online IreAtlas shows that Portarlington Town, Queens County, was located in the Civil Parish of Lea: https://is.gd/Ivl8i8

    The Ralleigh family did not necessarily live in Portarlington, but may have lived in a nearby townland to their parish church in Portarlington.

    According to the Portarlington & Emo website, the church in Portarlington is called St. Michael’s, built in 1842. This could not have been the church structure where Denis and Mary Foran were married, of where their children John and James were baptized, as St. Michael’s didn’t exist when their baptisms took place. But son Denis may have been baptized in St. Michael’s, as he was baptized in 1842. See the Portarlingtonparish.ie link for more information about St. Michael’s: https://is.gd/d1xxXk

    For a Google Map showing the location of St. Michael’s Church, Portarlington, see: https://is.gd/eHMvKA

    For a Google Street View of the church, go to: https://is.gd/PlIhQG

    The 1837 edition of Lewis’ Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, states there was a chapel in Portarlington as of 1837, but that it was too small and a new one being constructed “near the old one.” The new chapel would be St. Michael’s. Lewis’s Topographical Dictionary also notes there were chapels in the townlands of Emo and Killinard. See: https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/P/Portarlington-Portnehinch-Queens.php

    Going back to Griffiths Valuation I found that Denis Raleigh was leasing a house and a little over an acre of land in the townland of Kilbride, Queens County. He leased this property from Wm. H. Porter, Esq. The land was valued at 15 Shillings and the house at 10 Shillings. The total valuation for his lease was 1 Pound and 5 Shillings. Griffiths Valuation for Kilbride was completed by 1851, 9 years after Denis’ son Denis was born.

    See the Griffiths Valuation transcription below from the AskAboutIreland website:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 42
    Civil Parish: Lea
    Townland: Kilbride
    Occupier: Denis Raleigh
    Immediate Lessor: Wm. H. Porter Esq
    Description of Tenement: House and land
    Area of Land: 1 Acre, 0 Roods, 21 Perches
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 15 Shillings
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 10 Shilings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 1 Pound, 5 Shillings
    ____

    Also leasing property in Kilbride were likely relatives of Denis’s wife, Mary Foran. These leaseholders were Hugh Foran, John Foran, Christopher Foran, and Thomas Foran

    A Google Map shows that Kilbride is just 3.2 miles south of Portarlington and St. Michael’s Church: https://is.gd/vNfhG6

    For a Google Street View near Kilbride, go to: https://is.gd/62qqWE

    THE DEATH RECORDS OF MARY AND DENIS RALEIGH/RALLY SR.

    Back at the irishgenealogy.ie website I located the death records for Denis Ralleigh’s parents, Denis and Mary. Mary “Raleigh” died first, on 13 November 1871 at the age of 60. Her place of death was Kilbride. She is shown to have been married and a labourer’s wife. The cause of death was “Rheumatism 7 years uncertified. Chronic Rheumatism certified.” The person who reported Mary’s death was James Raleigh, who “saw her dead.” James’s residence is Kilbride. The death record doesn’t mention his relationship to Mary but he was likely her son, who was born in 1840. Mary’s death was recorded in the Mountmellick Registration District by the Deputy Registrar, Valentine Bond, on 18 December 1871. Mary’s death is Number 26 in the register at: https://is.gd/Lc7HqO

    Denis “Rally” Sr. died in Kibride on 18 December 1880 at the age of 63. At the time of death he was a widower. His occupation had been labourer. The cause of death was “Acute Bronchitis 8 days Certified.” James Rally of Kilbride was present at his death and reported the death to the registrar, Maddison Wall Fisker, M.D., who recorded the death in the Mountmellick Registration District on 10 January 1881. Denis’s death is Number 4 in the register at:
    https://is.gd/STRDH6

    CONCLUSION

    In coming back full circle to Patrick O’Connor and his wife Mary Ralleigh, I looked for civil registration birth records of any children they may have had after they married on 24 April 1906. I didn’t find the births of any of their children, anywhere in Ireland at the irishgenealogy.ie website.

    I also looked for the birth records of any children of Patrick O’Connor and Mary Ralleigh at the Ancestry.com and FamilySearch websites, but without results.

    With Kind Regards,

    Dave Boylan

    davepat

    Friday 12th February 2021, 02:17PM

    Attached Files

  • Dear Dave...
    so grateful for all the workdone...I am hoping to get back over there ,post Covid restrictions,we have so many threads to follow up.
    I will digest all the stuff first !!
    My grandma Bridget Ralleigh had very little contact after leaving Ireland..I only saw Helena once when she visited the UK, (she was a nun in South Africa ), and Robert came to live in the UK after retiring from the Customs and was a batchelor.
    It would be great therefore to see if there are any living relatives on Mary Ralleigh's side and also to understand how they all coped with the momentous changes of the 1900 to 1930"s

    Campbell

    Saturday 13th February 2021, 01:47PM
  • WOW Dave Boylan, I have to applaud your efforts. You really have gone to some trouble in finding out about this particular family. I'm very impressed! Can I call on you for your expertise?

    I am stuck and not sure how else to find out about Richard and Margaret Barrett maiden name Hallinan second child.

    Already a conversation on here Barrett family. Together they had 11 children.
    I have been able to source information regarding 10. James being the first Born. I am to believe Richard Barrett was the second child and not able to find a thing. I have been researching this side of the family for many months and still no further forward regarding Richard born after 1858.

    Please check original link named Barrett family to help you on your way should you have the time?

    If you are in a position to shed any light on the matter I would be thrilled.

    Regards

    Abbie

    Abbie

    Sunday 14th February 2021, 10:46AM
  • https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board/barrett-family-fermoy-cork

    This is the link regarding my ancestors in Fermoy

    Abbie

    Sunday 14th February 2021, 11:17AM
  • Hello Abbie and Steve,

    Steve, I’d like to thank you for your reply and wish you best of luck in finding relatives in Ireland, which may be a challenge being as the surname Ralleigh/Raleigh is a pretty common surname and that the family had lived in Cork City for several years after moving there from County Clare. You may want to consider submitting a query to the Ancestry.com message boards (if you haven’t already done so), explaining you are seeking the Ralleighs from Cork City, specifically the descendants of police constable and vintner, Denis Ralleigh.

    For a link to the Ancestry message boards covering all 32 counties as well as a general message board, go to: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.britisles.ireland

    Abbie, from what I gather reading the information at Ireland Reaching Out, you and the Ireland Reaching Out volunteers have found at least 10 children of Richard Barrett and Margaret Hallinan. These children and their years of birth are:

    1. James Joseph, 1858
    2. Mary Teresa 1861
    3. Margaret 1862
    4. Bridget 1864
    5. William Patrick 1866
    6. Terrence, 1867
    7. John 1870
    8. Catherine Mary 1873
    9. Michael 1876
    10. Celia 1880
    ____

    Specifically, you are looking for the birth record of Richard and Margaret’s son Richard Barrett.

    Your information shows that Richard was born after James Joseph, which means he would have been born sometime in 1859 or 1860. James was baptized in the Newcastle West Catholic Parish. As you know, there are no statutory birth records in Ireland prior to 1864, and so I accessed the Newcastle West baptisms at the National Library of Ireland website and looked for Richard’s baptism in the registers for 1859 and 1860, but didn’t find it.

    From Newcastle West, records show the Barrett family moved to Kilmurry, County Cork. Kilmurry is actually made up of Kilmurry North and Kilmurry South. Kilmurry was in the Barony of Condons & Clangibbon, Poor Law Union (PLU) of Fermoy, as well as the Civil Parish of Leitrim. The Catholic Parish, however, is called Kilworth.

    I accessed the Kilworth Catholic baptism registers at the National Library of Ireland website and looked for Richard’s baptism for the years 1859 and 1860, but without results.

    Abbie, what information do you have showing that Richard and Margaret had a son named Richard who was likely born after James in 1858?

    The 1911 census shows that Margaret Barrett had 11 children, which is the number of children you referenced in your messages to Ireland Reaching. The 1911 census also shows that 76 year old Margaret Barrett is the resident of house 3 in Rincrew, Templemichael, County Waterford. The census further shows she is a widow who was born in County Limerick, and that she could read and write and speak Irish and English. Of the 11 children Margaret had, all 11 were still alive as of 1911, but as you will see a little later, this is not entirely accurate.

    In the household with Margaret is her18 year old granddaughter, Mary Teresa Barrett, who was born in County Cork, and who could read and write. She was also single. Also in the household is 19 year old Bridget Dalton, a domestic servant and cook who was born in County Waterford. You can view the 1901 census transcription for the Barrett household at the following National Archives of Ireland link at: https://is.gd/Z3VnrL

    Once the transcription downloads, make sure you tick the box, “Show all information,” to view the full census.

    For a copy of the original 1911 census for the Margaret Barrett household, go to: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003516069/

    Your information shows that Richard Barrett Sr. was buried in 1909. I didn’t find a 1909 death record for him at the irishgeneallgy.ie website, but find that the person who may be your Richard, who died in “Rhincrew,” Waterford, on 9 December, 1908, at the age of 75. Rhincrew is the alternate spelling for Rincrew. At the time of death Richard was a retired school teacher and was also married. The cause of death was “Faulty degeneration of heart. Cardiac debilitation 10 days Certified.” The person who reported the death to the registrar was Richard’s son-in-law, Maurice Ahearn. Maurice’s residence is Craggs, which is also in County Waterford. I think Maurice had married Richard and Margaret Barrett’s daughter Bridget. I don’t know if you have a copy of Richard’s original death cert, but it is Number 197 in the death register which you can access at: https://is.gd/yuIC1z

    I also located 66 year old Richard Barrett and his 66 year old wife Margaret in the 1901 census in Rincrew, County Waterford. Only in the census Richard’s occupation is farmer, rather than school teacher. The census shows that he and Margaret, who could both read and write, were born in County Limerick. Margaret’s occupation was housekeeper. She could speak Irish and English. In the household with Richard and Margaret is a “visitor,” 24 year old Margaret Hallinan, a farmer’s daughter born in County Limerick. She could read and write but was not married. In all likelihood Margaret Hallinan was related to Margaret Barrett. To access the 1901census transcription, go to the National Archives of Ireland link at: https://is.gd/k5igzN

    For a copy of the original 1901 census of the Barrett household, go to: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001241664/

    Sometime between the birth of Cecelia Barret in 1880 and the 1901 census, the Barret family had moved from Kilmurry, County Cork to Rincrew, County Waterford.

    There is a Kilmurry North and a Kilmurry South, just east of Kilworth. I’m not sure if the Barrett family lived in Kilmurry North or Kilmurry South, but a Google Map shows that Rincrew is a little over 30 miles southeast of Kilmurry North and Kilmurry South, and just north of Youghal: https://is.gd/B4uQZ4

    For a Google Street View just outside of Kilmurry North, see: https://is.gd/ywgG8p

    For a Google Street View of Kilmurry South, go to: https://is.gd/5npUN6

    For A Google Street View near Rincrew, see: https://is.gd/oCh6eO

    Earlier, you saw in the 1911 census that Margaret Barrett had 11 children, with all 11 children still living as of 1911. In that census however, Margaret did not count one of her children who was born and who had died on the same day. The birth and death of this child, who was a son, is easily overlooked, as the first name of the child in both the birth and death indexes at irishgenealogy.ie, is recorded as “Unknown.” The surname of the child and his parents is spelled, “Barrette.” Below is the birth index:

    SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
    Birth of Unknown BARRETTE in 1879

    Name Unknown BARRETTE
    Date of Birth 1879
    Group Registration ID 10029514
    SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
    Sex N/R
    Mother's Birth Surname N/R
    ____

    The full birth record from the irishgenealogy.ie website shows the child was born in Kilmurry on June 15, 1879. His father is Richard Barrette, a school master residing in Kilmurry. His mother is Margaret Barrette, formerly Hallinan. Richard reported the birth to the registrar, whose last name appears to be Ahearne. The registrar recorded Richard’s birth in the Fermoy Registration District on July 7, 1879. The birth record for Richard is the first one in the register at: https://is.gd/yNYvy4

    Below is the death index for the child from irishgenealogy.ie:

    SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
    Death of Unknown BARRETT in 1879

    Name Unknown BARRETT
    Date of Death 1879
    Group Registration ID 6619112
    SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
    Deceased Age at Death 0
    ____

    The child’s full death record from irishgenealogy.ie shows he was 1 hour old when he died, and that he was the “Child of a school master.” The cause of death was, “Debility 1 hour. Uncertified. No med Att,” which stand for, “No medical attendant.” His death record is Number 121 in the death register at: https://is.gd/3MTc3j

    He would have been born after Michael in 1876 and before Celia in 1880.

    Adding the 1879 birth of the Barrett child to the other Barrett children (not counting Richard at this point), you see that he would be the 10th child, and Celia the 11th:

    1. James Joseph, 1858
    2. Mary Teresa 1861
    3. Margaret 1862
    4. Bridget 1864
    5. William Patrick 1866
    6. Terrence, 1867
    7. John 1870
    8. Catherine Mary 1873
    9. Michael 1876
    10. Barrett Child, 1879
    11. Celia 1880
    ____

    But, if a son Richard had been born just after James Joseph in 1858, and before Mary Teresa in 1861, or had been born anytime between 1857 and 1880, the Barrett parents would have actually had 12 children rather than 11, and would have had 1 child who died.

    NEWCASTLE LIMERICK RECORDS

    I see that volunteers at Ireland Reaching Out have kindly provided you with a RootsIreland Newcastle Catholic Parish church transcription of the marriage of Richard Barrett and Margaret Hallinan, and the baptism transcription for their son James. These transcriptions can also be accessed for free from the Find My Past (FMP) website, which I believe you have a subscription to.

    You do not need an FMP subscription to access Irish Catholic church transcriptions of baptism, marriage, and available death records. These are all free to search at FMP. Accompanying each FMP transcription is a link that takes you to a copy of the original baptism, marriage, or available church death/burial record held by the National Library of Ireland. The National Library of Ireland Catholic Church records are also free to access as well.

    The search engine for the FMP baptism transcriptions can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/jnmqmuv

    The FMP search engine for Catholic marriages can be accessed at: http://tinyurl.com/jzylkjy

    For Catholic Parish burial transcriptions go to the search engine at: http://tinyurl.com/j9qe5p9

    To download the FMP marriage transcription of 13 June 1857 for Richard Barrett and Margaret Hallinan, go to: https://is.gd/xy5R7a

    If you are not signed into FMP already, you’ll have to sign in to access the transcription.

    The FMP marriage transcription includes the National Library of Ireland register link.

    To expedite access to the Newcastle Catholic Parish marriage record itself, go to: https://is.gd/1kRoPW

    You’ll see there are two facing pages of the register. You can enlarge the register pages by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

    The marriage for Richard Barrett and Margaret Hallinan is the 3rd entry down from the top of the right-hand page. The marriage entry, in very nice copperplate cursive reads:

    “13th Married by the Revd Patk Corkery C.C. Richard Barrett &
    Margaret Hallinan. Prest as witnesses , Michael Moore & John Hallinan.”
    ____

    John Hallinan, one of the witnesses to the marriage, was likely Margaret’s brother. The Reverend Patrick Corkery married Richard and Margaret. The initials C.C. after his name stand for, “Catholic Curate,” which I believe is one step below Parish Priest.

    Marriages in Ireland traditionally take place in the bride’s parish, which is an indication that Margaret Hallinan and her family had worshipped in the Newcastle West Catholic Parish.

    The following link will take you to the FMP transcription for the 4 March 1858 baptism of Richard and Margaret Barrett’s son, James Joseph: https://is.gd/UTqUm5

    I didn’t find James’s baptism on 4 March 1858, which means the person who transcribed the baptism transcription for FMP made an error. The baptism, as you know, actually took place on 4 April 1858. James’s baptism record is the 4th entry down from the top of the left-hand register page at: https://is.gd/jroFJ9

    The baptism entry reads:

    “Revd Thos McEniry Baptized James Joseph Son of Richard Barrett &
    Margaret Hallinan. Sponsors Terence Hallinan & Mary Barrett.”
    ____

    I believe what this baptism record indicates is that Richard and Margaret’s son Terence was named after Margaret’s brother, Terence Hallinan., was was James’s godfather. A godparent is also known as a “sponsor” in Irish baptism records. James’s godmother, Mary Barrett, was likely Richard’s sister.

    RICHARD BARRETT

    Abbie, the genealogical record in your “Richard and Margaret Hallinan family info.docx,” shows that Richard was born in 1835 or 1836, and that his parents were Patrick Barrett and Ellen Reordan.

    There is a baptism transcription at FMP as well as a baptism record for this Richard Barrett. His baptism took place in the Charleville Catholic Parish, County Limerick on 4 February 1836. See the FMP transcription at: https://is.gd/Y9Zy6E

    A Google Map shows that Charelville is 20 miles east of Newcastle West: https://is.gd/FKuqL7

    I’d like to propose an alternative baptism record for Richard Barrett. This FMP transcription shows that a Richardius Barrett was baptized in the Newcastle West Catholic Parish on 12 April 1834, and that his parents were Gulielmo (William) Barrett and Maria Stevenson. See the FMP transcription at: https://is.gd/PcAu5X

    A copy of the original 1834 Newcastle West baptism record for Richardius Barrett, son of Gulielmo Barrett and Maria Stevenson, is on the right-hand page, 9th entry down from the top at: https://is.gd/fhiUec

    The baptism entry reads:

    “12th Revd. M. Murrane Bap Ricardius, & Gulielmo Barrett
    + Maria Stevenson. Pierce McElligitte +
    Mary McLoughlin } Patrinis”
    ____

    The word Patrinis is Latin for the phrase, “Patrinis adstantibus et e,” meaning the sponsors are standing up for the child. The sponsors, in other words, are the godparents.

    An FMP index shows that Gulielmo Barrett and Maria had 6 children baptized between 1832 and 1849 in the Newcastle West Catholic Parish: https://is.gd/PI72us

    The index shows the baptism of two children named Gulielmo (William). This means the first-born William had died. There will not be a death record for the child William, as the Irish government didn’t record deaths (or births and Catholic marriages) until 1864.

    Click on the page icon to the right of Maria’s name to access the baptism transcription for each child. The transcription also gives Maria’s maiden name of Stevenson.

    The next FMP transcription shows that William Barrett and Mary Stevenson were married in the Newcastle West Catholic Parish on 12 June 1828: https://is.gd/phaTZW

    A copy of the original 1828 marriage for William and Maria is the 4th entry down from the top of the left-hand register page, just below the June subheading: https://is.gd/JD0WQc

    The marriage entry reads:

    “12th. Married by V.R. F. Cole William Barrett +
    Mary Stevenson. Prst John Barrett + Cecelia (or Celia)
    Stevenson.
    ____

    Unfortunately, the marriage record for William and Maria does not record where they had been living just before they were married. I also checked each baptism record for their children to see if a residence was recorded but found there hadn’t been.

    GRIFFITHS VALUATION

    William and Maria did not necessarily live in Newcastle West itself, but may have resided in a surrounding townland in the Civil Parish of Newcastle. The town of Newcastle West was also just known as Newcastle, not to be confused with the Newcastle located near east Limerick City.

    To see if I could locate William or Maria, I looked for them in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Newcastle/Newcastle West and surrounding townlands, was completed by the year 1852.

    Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman collecting the rent on Gale Day for the owner. This middleman was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

    You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

    I found William Barrett leasing property in Newcastle (Newcastle West). The lease was located in a section of Newcastle called Gortboy, with a street address of 16 Quay. See the Griffiths Valuation transcription below:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 16
    Civil Parish: Newcastle
    Townland: Gortboy, Town of Newcastle
    Placename: Quay
    Occupier: William Barrett
    Immediate Lessor: Trustees Earl of Devon
    Description of Tenement: House, offices, & yard
    Area of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 5 Pounds
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 5 Pounds
    ____

    William Barrett leased his house, offices, and yard from Immediate Lessors who were the Trustees of the Earl of Devon. This indicates that the Earl of Devon was deceased and that his estate was being administered by others who may, or may not have been family members. The house and the offices William leased were valued at 5 Pounds. An office in a Griffiths Valuation record could be any type of outbuilding such as a barn, stable, blacksmith shop, etc. Because Griffiths Valuation shows that William lived a town of some size, he wasn’t a farmer, but may have made his living in a trade or profession.

    I next looked for, but did not find any Stevenson occupiers recorded in Griffiths Valuation lasing property in Newcastle/Newcastle West. But I did find 3 occupiers in Newcastle with the alternate surname spelling of Stephenson, all in the Gortboy section of Newcastle. All three leased their property from the Trustees of the Earl of Devon. One of these Stephensons may have been related to Margaret.

    The Griffiths Valuation transcription below shows that Richard Stephenson’s lease was located in 12 Old Turnpike Street, and that the value of his house and yard was 13 Shillings:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 12
    Civil Parish: Newcastle
    Townland: Gortboy, Town of Newcastle
    Placename: Old Turnpike Street
    Occupier: Richard Stephenson
    Immediate Lessor: Trustees Earl of Devon
    Description of Tenement: House & yard
    Area of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 13 Shillings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 13 Shillings
    ____

    Patrick Stephenson leased his forge and small garden in 83 Maiden Street:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 83
    Civil Parish: Newcastle
    Townland: Gortboy, Town of Newcastle
    Placename: Maiden Street
    Occupier: Patrick Stephenson
    Immediate Lessor: Trustees Earl of Devon
    Description of Tenement: Forge & small garden
    Area of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 12 Shillings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 12 Shillings
    ____

    John Stephenson leased his house and small garden in 93 Maiden Street:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 93
    Civil Parish: Newcastle
    Townland: Gortboy, Town of Newcastle
    Placename: Maiden Street
    Occupier: John Stephenson
    Immediate Lessor: Trustees Earl of Devon
    Description of Tenement: House, small garden
    Area of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 1 Pound, 4 Shillings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 1 Pound, 4 Shillings
    ____

    The following Google Map shows Gortboy, Newcastle West, North Quay, and Lower Maiden Street where William Barrett, and Richard, Patrick, and John Stephenson had lived when they were enumerated in Griffiths Valuation: https://is.gd/FLVaHM

    MARGARET HALLINAN

    I found a baptism transcription for Margarita Hallinan at the FMP website. This may refer to your Margaret Hallinan, who was baptized in the Newcastle West Catholic Parish on 23 January 1835. Her parents are Michaele Hallinan and Ellena Sheahan. See the transcription at: https://is.gd/bHDNKm

    A copy of Margarita’s original baptism record is the last entry at the bottom of the left-hand register page at: https://is.gd/wAfHWi

    Her baptism reads:

    “23rd. Revd Js Enright Bap Margarita & Michaele Hallinan
    Ellena Sheahan. --------Jacobi Halpin +
    Catherina Larkin } Patrinis”
    ____

    The first name of the priest who baptized Margarita is abbreviated at “Js,” short for James. The godfather’s first name Jacobi, means James in the Latin.

    An FMP baptism index shows that Michael Hallinan and Ellena Sheahan had three other children, including Mich (Michael), 1825; Mariam, 1827; and Catherina, 1830. See: https://is.gd/i5ZrTv

    I didn’t find a Michael or Ellena Hallinan recorded in Griffiths Valuation in Newcastle/Newcastle West. However, Griffiths valuation shows that a Daniel Hallinan leased property at 123 Maiden Street, Gortboy, Newcastle, from an Immediate Lessor named Mary Minehan. Daniel’s lease was valued at 2 Pounds and 5 Shillings, according to the Griffiths Valuation transcription below:

    No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 123
    Civil Parish: Newcastle
    Townland: Gortboy, Town of Newcastle
    Placename: Maiden Street
    Occupier: Daniel Hallinan
    Immediate Lessor: Mary Minehan
    Description of Tenement: House, office & yard
    Area of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
    Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 2 Pounds, 15 Shillings
    Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 2 Pounds, 15 Shillings
    ____

    The National Library of Ireland website shows that the Newcastle West Catholic Parish registers of baptism and marriage go back to the year 1815: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0891

    I thought that the parents of Richard Barrett and Margaret Hallinan would have been born and baptized before 1815, but I looked for their baptism transcriptions at the FMP website anyway, but didn’t find their baptisms.

    CONCLUSION

    Concerning Richard and Margaret’s son Richard as mentioned earlier, I could find no records at all for him over the last 5 days of research. I looked for him in the 1901 and 1911 Irish census enumerations as well as the 1901 and 1911 English census enumerations but couldn’t identify him as your Richard Barrett. I also looked for an Irish marriage record for him but did not find one recorded in the Fermoy, Cork, Registration District. Your genealogy record shows he had no children, but do you know if he married?

    Richard, who would have been born circa 1859-1860, if he had ben born between James in 1858 and Margaret in 1861, would have been in his 70s if he had died in the London area in the 1930s. Do you know his exact year of death and where he had been living in the London area when he died.

    Also Abbie, what one record do you have showing that Richard Barrett and Margaret Hallinan had a son named Richard? Can you provide this record so that I can look at it?

    Many thanks for writing and for your kind words. It is very much appreciated.

    Dave

    davepat

    Saturday 20th February 2021, 02:57PM
  • Dear Dave,

    Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to try and help find the missing piece of the puzzle.

    I do not have any concrete information relating to Son of Richard Barrett and Margaret Hallinan / Barrett called Richard I am to believe.

    Information regarding Father Richard Barrett can be seen below...

    Richard Barrett                                                                                                                                           

    Born                                      1835 or 1836 Limerick, Ireland                                    

    Baptised                               4th February 1836 Charleville, Cork, Ireland

    Parents                                 Patrick and Ellen Barrett maiden name Reordan    

    Parents married on 14th March 1835, Ballyhea, Ireland TBC . The maiden name of Ellen married to Patrick spelled Reordan is also spelled Riordan and O'Riordan. I am guessing they must have been married early 1800s if they were the parents of Richard Barrett born 1835/6 so records from that far back may not be available.

    Richard Married                Margaret Hallinan on 13th June 1857 at Parish Newcastle West County Co. Limerick, Ireland                                                                     

    Richard Barrett was a gentleman farmer in "Rincrew" Youghal, Ireland. He and Wife Margaret Barrett maiden name Hallinan may have been from Limerick, Munster Province. They were teachers in various parts of Ireland, finally retiring outside Youghal near Ballinatray House.

    Mr Richard Barrett was the first Principal Teacher in 1861 at Kilmurry National School, Kilworth, Cork, Ireland.

    It is understood that at some stage Richard and Margaret came to live at Riencrew on the road to Tallow, which extended cottage is extant and visible from the roundabout at the end of Tallow Road, Youghal - a continuation of North Main Street where Mary Barrett had her father’s shop called "Barretts".

    Richard Died                       9th December 1908 - Rhincrew Templemichael, County Waterford, Ireland  

                                                 (aged 75)                                                                                                     

    Richard Buried                   North Abbey Cemetery in Youghal, Ireland 1908

    I have spent many months researching this side of the family and hoped one day I could find the missing piece of the puzzle.

    Richard and Margaret had 11 children, 10 I have been able to find thus far.

    You will notice I found a record regarding Richard Barretts parents, seen above.

    Information regarding son Richard Barrett is sketchy to say the least.

    Should you have any bright ideas I would be only too delighted to hear from you.

    Perhaps I have the wrong name, Im sure second born child's records are the one who is missing from my current research.

    Kind regards

    Abbie

     

     

    Abbie

    Sunday 21st February 2021, 10:15AM
  • You're welcome Abbie and many thanks for your reply.

    With Best Wishes,

    Dave

    davepat

    Monday 22nd February 2021, 09:27PM