Seeking parents of Charles F. Nunan

Emily was baptised   in May 1812 Doneraile, Co. Cork (RC)

The problem is that the district of  Mallow spans over many many miles, villages as Buttevant, Kilbrin, Churchtown, Liscarroll  all fall under the Mallow address.

If you check the Tithe applotment books you can see where they all lived  http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?…

Other than visiting each village, what would be a possible next step?  I have looked at naming conventions. He did have several sons, so could narrow it to villages with men of those names first.  Other ideas?

Normally www.rootsireland.ie has good records for Mallow and area, and they would start around 1800, strange enough there is no sign of a baptism record for a Charles Nunan or Noonan. No marriage either between a Nunan and a Tarrant .

You could contact the Mallow Heritage Center who do research  for a fee,  http://mallowheritagecentre.com/index.html

There is one record that could be a match but this Charles Noonan is born in County Limerick in 1814, this also matches a record from the 1851 English census , Charles Noonan from St Michaels Limerick, at

13th Regt of Infantrys in Winchester Barracks

yes, I found that Charles too and got all excited, then realized he was here in America in 1851 so it can't be him.  What about passenger lists. I've found none here, 1830-35 are skimpy. Are there any lists of folks who left Mallow?

Unfortunately the existence of a passenger record is not guaranteed for the time they traveled, many boarded cargo ships as they were cheaper then the passengerships at the time, and no records were created.

www.castlegarden.org has two records for a Charles Noonan but much later 1849 and 1851

Try our Mallow Facebook page, that is read by many local Mallow people https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mallow-Cork-Ireland-Reaching-Out/4992572…

I have found a distant cousin of my grandfather's through DNA.. I am hoping since his ancestor was born later than mine  (Ireland in 1845)  there may be more records for him that will help us both trace our Irish ancestry.  

Timothy Cornelius Nunan b. 1845 Co. Cork,  father's name Cornelius.  

The above are related to my ancestor Charles Nunan b. August 1815 in Mallow, Co. Cork who migrated to US in 1835.

Any thoughs are appreciated

Hello darvidson

the only Charles Noonan I could find was born in Limerick City in 1815 and nothing anywghere in County Corh but this may not be the end of the road..many parish records begin in about 1830 following Catholic   Emancipation  in 1929,so he could be baptised in a neighbouring parish.One question, was he a catholic ? I have seen the Nunan spelling used by protestants and the Noonan version by catholics.There were Nunans in the mallow area as a Helen Nunan is buried in Kilshannig Cemetery in 1774.which is in Kilshannig parish and 4 miles from mallow. As pointed by a previous contributer mallow heritage centre would be worth a try,..hope this some hope 

Regards

Donie O Sullivan

Donie,

I believe I have ruled out the Limerick Charles, I'm not looking at my notes, but I believe he appears in Irish records when my Charles is recorded in the US.

Some of the family were associated with a Methodist church in the US, 30 years or so after migrating, but I have not found any church records right after they immigrated to know if they had a religion of choice.

Helen was the name of their first child but the death year would mean the stone belonged to a grandparent or ggrandparent. I appreciate this lead.

I am hoping to find evidence of the DNA cousins' names existing in the decade after my Charles immigrated:  Timothy Cornelius Nunan was born 1845 his father's name was Cornelius.  Timothy didn't migrate until 1874. Have you seen those names in Kilshannig parish?

Thanks for your thoughts!

Deb

Hello Darvidson

had a look at baptisms and found no Timothy born to a Cornelius in County Cork,at any time.,Are you sure you have the correct names.if you have any other names it could narrow down the search

I did see a helen Noonan as a sponsor to a noonan born in Glantane Parish in 1903 and assuming she was unmarried she would have been born about 1880.There were noonans also in Ballyclough parish which is about 6 mil3s from Mallow.Not much info there but any other lead could be helpful

Donie

The name 'Gethin' could be related to the Gethin Crone family as I have seen it before . My relatives are the Crones from Doneraile nearby.

I saw this tree on My Heritage it may be of use

Amelia Susan Nunan (born Tarrant)

MyHeritage Family Trees:Jermyn Web Site, managed by Jane Jermyn

• BirthMonth 1812 - Place
• DeathDay Month 1885 - Place
• ParentsNames of both parents
• HusbandName of husband
• ChildrenHelena F. Nunan and names of 9
• Cheers Jen

Thank you to all who are reading this and contributing.  We have found all the obvious American documents. Any American online trees are collaborations or copies of our research. We are hopeful Irish records will help connect both our branches to our common Irish family.

Two distant branches of Nunan Irish immigrants have met up through FamilyTreeDNA.  Since nothing to date can be found on Charles Nunan in Ireland, we are hoping to find Timothy Nunan’s family since he is 28 years younger than Charles and chances are slightly better to find Irish records.  I am listing the two immigrants and their families below with children as I understand Irish children are often named for parents and grandparents and may be clues.

Charles F. Nunan b. Aug 1815 Mallow, Cork, Ire
Immigrated Oct 1835 to Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Parents: unknown
Married (place and date unknown)
Amelia Susan Tarrant “Emily” b. 1811 Doneraile, Cork, Ire.
Parents:  James Tarrant (b. 1753 Ireland) and Mary Gethin Coote (b. 1784 Ballyhooly, Cork, Ire, of Welsh descent).
Ameila’s siblings: Harriet; Charlotte; Richard Gethin.
Tarrant family immigrated together, but no date has been found. It’s not known if Charles knew them and immigrated with them, or met in America.
Children to Charles and Amelia in birth order: Helena F; Richard James; William Howard; Amelia Sofia; Catherine Nickerson; Emily F; Charles F. Jr; George W; Arthur Wellesley; Elisha Freeman.
*Note: Charles great grandson supplied the YDNA.

Timothy Cornelius Nunan b. 1843 Cork, Ire
Immigrated abt 1874 to New York, USA
Father: Cornelius  (sourced from Timothy’s death record. May have been Cornelius Timothy or Timothy Cornelius)
Timothy’s sibling: John Nunan
Married about 1875 (New York)
Mary Donovan b. 1851 New York
Parents: Dennis Donovan and Bridget both Irlsh immigrants abt 1845
Mary’s siblings: Dennis Donovan (Jr)
Children to Timothy and Mary in birth order: Catherine Zita; Cornelius; Bridget Adelia; Mary Ellen; James Vincent; Anna L; John Dennis
*Note: Timothy’s great grandson supplied the YDNA. (great-great grandson to Cornelius who is closer in age and maybe the same generation to Charles)

Any and all thoughts on the Nunan family are welcome.

Donie Sullivan--possibly a better answer to your question about religion:

I just found a record in the "Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston" for the baptism of Charles Nunan and Amelia (Tarrant) Nunan's first daughter. The daughter was born in Provincetown, MA so they purposely traveled back to Boston (not far by boat, especially as he was a mariner) to baptize her in the Catholic church.  

This suggests that they were Catholic in Ireland-- It may have been the Tarrant family tho, not necessarily the Nunan family.  It is interesting to note that Nunan was spelled "Noonan" in the record. I had heard that generally the Noonan family was catholic and then split with Noonan remaining catholic and Nunan becoming protestant. I've never seen any facts to back it up and don't know the time frame of the split in the scope of Charles Nunan's life.

Deb

Hello Deb,

I am very interested in where you found the Catholic baptism record for Helena Nunan. (I searched on 3 ancestry websites to no avail.) I am researching Provincetown history. The Nunans and Tarrants lived in on isolated spit of land called Long Point that is at the very tip of Cape Cod. The community there consisted of about 45 families. It was founded in 1818 and lasted until 1857. The Nunans  moved back to Provincetown proper on the "mainland" and left for Kennebunkport, Maine about 1861. Family lore (as related to me by Jeff Martin) has it that the Nunan family was Catholic. The Tarrants, as far as I can tell, were Protestant and Mary Gethin Coote (Jame's Tarrant's wife) was a descendent of a notable and wealthy line. 

Mary’s 5th great-grandfather was Sir Charles Coote, 1st Baronet and builder of Castle Cuffe, its mortar strengthened by the inclusion of blood from oxen. Mary’s family lineage included a wealthy colonel who fought on behalf of the Protestants. Her great grandfather, the Reverand Chidley Coote, built (in South County Limerick) the stately Georgian style manor-house, Ash Hill. Mary’s grandfather, Thomas Coote, was a captain, and her father, Eyre Coote, a major In an aristocratic twist, Lady Diana Spencer was distantly related, as she too was a descendent of Sir Charles Coote and wife Dorothea.

Thank you so much,

Stephan

Hi Stephan,

I read about the catholic records project here: https://www.bostoncatholic.org/historic-catholic-records-online-project

NEGHS is americanancestors.org. You need a subscription to view the records.

Once in you can find it on 7 Feb 1841 "Ellen Noonan" with parents "Charles Noonan and Amelia Tarant[sic]"   One of the sponsors is Henry Flynn, who is also a witness to Charles' naturalization record. I've not been able to determine their relationship.   Once you're in, here's the link:

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/massachusetts-roman-catholi…

Cheers!

Deb

PS: you didn't by any chance find out where the Charles Nunan house ended up on the mainland in Provincetown? I found Emily's brother, Richard Tarrant's house. I went out to Long point by boat and spent several hours walking around a few years ago.  

PSS:Have you been able to find an actual birth record for Mary Gethin Coote that verifies her parents' names?

Does the title of Lord have any significance that would help me?

Reviewing family papers with a cousin, another angle to finding the parents of Charles Nunan b. 1815 appeared:  Charles' son Arthur, in his old age, did not know Charles' parents names, but knew that Charles' maternal grandmother's maiden name was Stark.  She had a brother "Lord Stark" and a neice (his daughter) "Lizzie Stark."  

Searching for Elizabeth Stark I found the birth of Helena Ferris, parents Edmundi Ferris and Elizabeta Stark [1835 Abbeydorney, Co Kerry].  I'm sure this is a coincidence, but Charles Nunan left Ireland in 1835 and his first daughter born in 1840 was named Helena F. [Ellen in the Catholic baptismal record]. 

I am now looking for a marriage record for Elizabeta Stark to an Edmundi Ferris--hoping it will give her father's name. He'd be the brother to Charles' Grandmother so looking back to find his parents and siblings could help me bring the Stark family forward to where it meets the Nunan family--hopefully leading to the name of Charles' parents.