Looking for Morgan, Downey, Downing families

Stephen,

What looks to be Eliza Jane Morgan?s birth was registered in Magherafelt in 1869 Vol 16, page 753; Henry?s appears to be Magherafelt 1866 Vol 1, page 775. If you obtained those birth certificates it would give you the townland(s) where John & Ellen were living prior to their departure from Ireland. From that, by using the revaluation records, you may be able to trace exactly where they lived, and who succeeded them in that property.

You can order a photocopy of the birth certs from GRO Roscommon for ?4 per certificate. Put the place, year, quarter (where there is one), volume & page number on the application form (anywhere). Don?t worry about leaving some boxes blank. You don?t need to fill them all in if you have the reference details. http://www.groireland.ie/ You have to post or fax the form to them but they will e-mail the copy certificate to you if you wish. Tick the relevant box on the form.

I looked at the 1901 census for the townlands in Ballyscullion. I could not see any Morgan households at all.

For Downey I found 2:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Bellaghy/Bellaghy/1541578/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Castledawson/Leitrim/1542043/

I looked at deaths for John Morgan deaths, in the Ballyscullion registration area (Magherafelt). Bear in mind that death registration only started in 1864 so deaths before that won?t be recorded. There?s:

John Morgan d 1871 est year of birth 1795 M?felt 1871 Vol 16, page 534.

John Morgan d 1873 est year of birth 1789, M?felt 1873 Vol 6, page 585

John Morgan d Oct ? Dec 1879 est year of birth 1799, M?felt Oct ? Dec 1879 Vol 1, page 610.

None for Ellen Morgan or Jane Downey. There were 2 William Downey deaths, both born 1821. They were the nearest to 1814. Age on an Irish death cert is just the informant?s best guess and is often out by up to 10 years, and so either might be your man.

Elwyn

Elwyn,

I filled out and FAXED the form to GRO Roscommon for Eliza Jane Morgan and Henry Morgan.  How did you find those and can I do the same from over here in the U.S.?  I'm looking for their other children born in the same area:  Hugh Morgan, born about March, 1852; Catherine Morgan, born about 1854; Annie Morgan about 1856; Gerogge Joseph, Aug 20, 1857 (my great great grand father).  

I'm just learning about researching in Irish genealogy.  When I come to Bellaghy and Magherafelt in June, where do you think I should focus my efforts?  

Do you live near these areas, or some distance away?

Thank you ever so much for your help - I appreciate it.

Stephen Morgan, Portland, Oregon

Stephen,

I found the births on the Irish civil indexes site, which is in the Familysearch collection. You can access it from the US too:

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

Your problem is that the registration of births and deaths (and RC marriages) in the statutory civil registers only started on 1.1.1864. So you won?t find any of the children who were born before that, on that site. (And that?s why I only gave you the details of Henry and Eliza Jane).

When you get those baptisms, let me know the townland (ie address), and the father?s occupation, and I?ll see if I can help find where they lived, by using Griffiths Valuation.

For births prior to 1864, you have to rely on church records where they still exist. (Lots of Irish church records have been lost over the years for a whole variety of reasons, fire, negligence, water damage etc). I would expect your family?s baptisms to be in the Ballyscullion RC records. Their baptisms and their marriages start in 1843 so that looks promising. They appear to be on-line on the rootsireland site, so you can search there. (I say appear to be because their index doesn?t refer to Ballyscullion parish at all, but they do have Bellaghy (which is not the correct name) but I assume they must be the right records all the same).

http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php

There is also a set of the parish records in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast, which you might find interesting if you want to see the original handwriting in the parish register (as opposed to Rootsireland?s information which is just a typed transcript).

Don?t expect too much information from the RC baptism records for the mid 1800s. All you generally get is the child?s name, the parents names and the two sponsors. No addresses, occupations or anything like that. Some are also in Latin. Likewise with RC marriage registers, all you get are the couples names and their two witnesses. So no parents names, addresses or other personal information.

You ask where to focus your efforts when you visit. As far as records are concerned, the majority of official records are kept in PRONI, the public record office, in Belfast. A lot of the normal genealogical records eg censuses, have been destroyed and so you have to rely on things like school attendance records and so on. But to try to trace them we need to know where exactly the family lived, which is why I need the townland from the birth certificate(s). The father?s occupation also matters. If he was an agricultural labourer/weaver (as I suspect) there may not be much, but if he was a farmer we might be able to find out a bit more. He might even have left a will.

I would think you might want to visit the church the family attended and married in, and a look at gravestones in the relevant graveyard(s) would also be a good idea.

Elwyn