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I'm trying to locate any information on my gr. gr. grandfather Laughlin Callaghan who was born in County Donegal in approx. 1812.  He emigrated to Scotland and married a Mary Mooney in Glasgow in 1839.  The church records state he was from "Donnefmore County Donegall" - which I assume is the parish of Donaghmore.  Other records state his father was John Callaghan, farmer, and mother was Mary McColl (??).  Laughlin died in a mining accident in Scotland in 1857 - as witnessed by his brother John (who I presume was also from Donaghmore).

I'd appreciate if someone has any history of this ancestor or ideas as to getting some more information on him - could there be any relatives left in Donegal?  Also - any speculation as to why he would have left Donegal (presumably in the 1820's/1830's)  Was the famine still forcing exile? Or were there simply no opportunities for a poor Catholic farmer in this land controlled by the British landlords.

Thanks in advance.

 

TimS

Sunday 28th May 2017, 01:27PM

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  • Donaghmore RC records don’t start till 1840 so there is unlikely to be any record of Laughlin’s baptism. The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore (c 1830) haven’t survived so I can’t check them either.  Griffiths Valuation for 1859 lists 4 John Callaghans in Donaghmore. Farmers were generally listed in Griffiths, so if he was still alive then (and his son’s 1857 death certificate in Scotland should say if he was alive or dead) then one of them may be the right family.

    http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

    You are curious as to why Laughlin and his brother left Ireland. The issue was probably simple economics rather than anything to do with landlords.  One of Ireland’s problems has always been a lack of natural resources. No coal, oil, iron ore etc, and so apart from a modest amount of shipbuilding in Belfast and the Belfast linen mills (which mostly only employed women), it did not really get the industrial revolution that benefited England and Scotland where mills, steelworks, ship building, coal mining and all their support industries were major employers creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs. Much better paid than subsistence farming or weaving. Added to that you had the effects of a massive population explosion in Ireland – up from 3 million in 1750 to 8 million in 1841 (no-one is really sure of the reasons why but reduced neo-natal deaths seem to be a factor) and the famine. So some push factors and some pull factors saw huge numbers of people leave Ireland. Something like 2 million people emigrated from Ireland in the 1800s.

    If you look at the Scottish censuses for the Glasgow area in the late 1800s, you will see that about every fifth person recorded there was born in Ireland. Scotland was a particularly popular place to go to work because it was easy and very cheap to get to. Several sailings every day from Belfast, plus regular sailings from Portrush, Ballycastle and Londonderry, not to mention Dublin. The shipping companies main business was cargo and the passengers were just top-up revenue. Competition was fierce and passenger fares very low. People working in Scotland could come home for weddings or the harvest, as well as holidays (Glasgow used to shut down for 2 weeks every July, known as the Glasgow Fair holiday and there would then be a huge exodus to Ireland).  You could also send children back to stay with their grandparents, thereby leaving the wife free to work. You couldn’t do all those things so easily from Australia, America or Canada.

    Irish farms were mostly too small to subdivide and the tradition was generally to give the farm to the eldest son. The other sons therefore had to make their own way in the world.

    The situation in Donegal isn’t so very different today and a lot of young men and women still go to Glasgow (or Dublin or New York) to find work. 

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 29th May 2017, 06:04AM
  • Dear Elwyn - Thank you for the detailed response re: why my gr.gr. grandfather Laughlin Callaghan would have been compelled to leave Ireland for Scotland. 

    But to expand upon a point - would not the oppressive landlord situation in Donegal  have reduced a Catholic farmer (peasant) to living as a subsistence farmer on a plot owned by the landlord.  And would not a privately owned farm be the exception?  When I look at Griffith's lists I see the 4 John Callaghans were tenants of Landlords - Viscount this/Marquis that, etc.  Not owning their land and forced to pay rents would have made the situation unbearable.  And the situtation worsened as families grew.  You mentioned that the eldest son inherited the land - but in that event, the inheritance (if allowed under the British legal system) would have simply meant taking on a tenancy - with all the obligations.  Emigration seems the only rational choice.

    I went back to the 1857 Scottish death record and it states the following about Laughlin's parents - " Parents: John Callaghan, Farmer, and Margaret Callaghan, Maiden Name McColl, Deceased"  Not sure if the "Deceased" refers to both parents or only his mother Margaret McColl."  (I misstated her name in my initial post as "Mary".)

    Assuming that Laughlin's father was alive in 1859 and is one of the 4 Johns mentioned, in your experience, does it make any sense to try to locate a researcher (reputable) who would investigate whether any of the descendants of those John Callaghans of Donaghmore may indeed have a common family line with me - and a history to share?  However, I can also imagine in light of the difficult times in 19th century Ireland, that a tenant farmer spent his waking hours trying to keep the famiy alive  - and recording family lineage (assuming literacy) was an unlikely use of one's time.

    Thanks again for your insights.

    Tim

    TimS

    Monday 29th May 2017, 02:07PM
  • Tim,

    The Scottish certificates were pretty meticulous about recording when a parent was dead. So in this case it indicates John Callaghan was still alive and his wife deceased. If John were also deceased, it would say that beside his name too.

    Renting was the norm for farmers in Ireland for many years. It was a source of much resentment that few landlords would sell their land to their tenants (though a few did from time to time). There was pressure and protests all through the 1800s about it, across Ireland.  The Government did introduce piecemeal changes which offered farmers better security and in some case controlled rents. Some could stay indefinitely if they paid their rent. (Fee farm grants). Not all of the farmers were in a position to buy their farm even if they were offered it. Some would always have rented, as some still do today. It was Wyndham’s Land Act around 1903 that allowed many farmers to buy their farms (with a Government mortgage to be repaid over the next 25 years) that really changed things.

    You query whether the law allowed children to inherit the farm. It did. (The Penal Laws which had previously restricted Irish land rights had long been abolished by the 1800s). The farmer held a lease and during its life he was normally able to reassign it to anyone he wanted. Hundreds of farmers wills are on-line on the PRONI site. (You might want to check if any of the Donaghmore John Callaghan farmers left one). Most farmers wills leave the farm to a son (normally the eldest) and the widow usually got a life interest, ie she was allowed to stay there till she died at which point the son became the tenant. If the lease expired, the tenant was free to extend it. And they could also sell it if they wished too. (So they were selling the unexpired portion of the lease).

    The land in Donegal is quite good farming land in the east of the county and bigger farmers there could make a decent living but further west it’s fairly poor quality and that tended to be more subsistence living. The land around Donaghmore isn’t great and so would not have been highly productive.  The population explosion also meant there was no spare land, so that made it difficult for farmers to acquire more land or bigger farms. Personally I don’t think it made much difference whether you owned the farm or rented it. A small farm could not provide employment and income for a large family. So most young men had to go when they reached working age. That’s still the case there today when the majority of farmers do own their land.

    The other factor to consider was that the work in Scotland paid a proper wage, much better than subsistence farming on a mostly barter economy could provide, so even if you did have a farm you might prefer working in Scotland.

    I looked at the 4 John Callaghans in Donaghmore in Griffiths. One (in Carrickmagrath) wasn’t a farmer. He only had a house and small garden, so he probably isn’t the one you are interested in. The other 3 had 6, 15 and 5 acres respectively. So all very small farms.

    You suggest that having to pay rent left people no choice but to emigrate. However if it were that simple, why did so many stay? I think it likely in this case that Laughlin wasn’t the eldest son and that was essentially why he had to go. No farm and no work.

    I am not trying to defend the landlords merely to explain that small farms generally can only support 1 family, and so the surplus men mostly had to leave. There was no other work in the area, no spare land to rent (and not all wanted it anyway) and so the majority had to leave regardless of what the landlords did. Young people in Donegal are still leaving in large numbers today, for the same reason. There’s insufficient work.

    Incidentally, the landlords weren’t all British. In many parts of Ireland native Irish families were the landlords. Examples are the Maguires in Fermanagh and the O’Neills in Co Antrim.  

    It’s common to blame many problems in Ireland on absentee English landlords – some of whom were undoubtedly dreadful - but that can sometimes be lazy history. The position was a lot more complex. Vast numbers of people were bound to emigrate from Ireland in the 1800s for the simple reason that the island could not support the population it then had. (The population went up from 3 million in 1741 to 8 million in 1841. It’s only 6 million today).

    It’s certainly feasible to get a researcher to look at the families I have mentioned and to try and trace them forward.  There might be descendants in the area today. (You can check the 1911 census easily enough to see if any were still there at that time). DNA testing might help too.

    I wouldn’t expect many of them to have written their ancestry down. I have rarely seen that amongst farmers. But you might get lucky.

     

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 29th May 2017, 05:23PM
  • Elwyn,

    Thank you for the information and your take on the plight of the Donegal small farmer.

    I shall look at the 1911 census to see if there were any Callaghans left on those farms which were occupied by a John Callaghan in 1859.  Unfortunately DNA will not help in my case - at least not the Y DNA test. My mother's maiden name was  Callaghan.  And Y DNA testing which can  prove  relationship with a high degree of certainty only works when looking at the male paternal line. (And regrettably I don't know of  any male relatives who  carry the Callaghan surname.)

    Two more questions, if you please - the Scottish records state that John Callaghan, brother of Laughlin, was a witness when Laughlin's 1857 death record was filled out (he died in a mining accident).  Was there a tradition in Donegal re: naming sons.  In other words would Laughlin's brother have been the oldest son (carrying his father's name)?  And accordingly for some reason did not remain in Donegal to inherit the tenancy?  Or could there have been another brother who was older?

    Final question - I have a copy of Laughlin's signature on the 1857 Scottish birth register where he is shown as father of my great grandfather William.  His signature is quite bold and distinctive -apparently he had some, maybe rudimentary, form of education.  Was it common for a poor Catholic farm boy in Donegal born circa 1812 to have been given some schooling? - by a priest? or by any school system?  Or maybe he just picked it up from others?

    Thanks again for your knowledge here.

    Tim

     

     

     

    TimS

    Tuesday 30th May 2017, 09:02PM
  • Tim,

    There was a tradition of naming children according to the following rules. Both Scotland & Ireland followed the same system:

    The 1st son was usually named after the father's father

      The 2nd son was usually named after the mother's father

       The 3rd son was usually named after the father

        The 4th son was usually named after the father's eldest brother

         The 5th son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother

     The 1st daughter was usually named after the mother's mother

      The 2nd daughter was usually named after the father's mother

       The 3rd daughter was usually named after the mother

        The 4th daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister

         The 5th daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister

    The problem with relying too heavily on naming patterns is that, apart from the fact that not all families followed it, there are lots of things that can upset it. Common ones that I have encountered are:

    when the father and either of the grandparents have the same name. So you obviously can’t really have two or even three sons all with the same name, so a different name is needed though some families did actually use the same name again on the birth certificate, but differentiated with another more informal name for day to day use. So if you had two Georges (as per birth certs) you just called one of them something else eg Simon;

    if a child dies young, then it was common practice to re-use the name for the next birth. And if you don’t know about the death, your analysis of who they were named after could be completely wrong;

    Or if a close relative had just died and their name was used out of respect.

    I have also noticed that many families liked to name the odd child after the local Minister/Priest, schoolteacher or a relative with no children of their own.

    Sometimes people were christened with one name, but went by a different one (and would appear in censuses and other records by that alternative name), eg Henry & Harry or Ann & Nancy.

    So for all these reasons, whilst tradition says, for example, that the 4th son was named after the father's eldest brother, it isn’t always so.

    Ireland introduced a National School system in the early 1830s but there were other schools before that on an ad hoc basis. Some paid for by the church, some by philanthropic bodies. Many parents couldn’t see the point of sending their children to school and often kept them at home to help around the farm. They considered that more beneficial. So their education was often interrupted during the harvest season or for other urgent work. Most children left school by 10 or 11, with an incomplete education but with some reading and writing skills. The Ordnance Survey memoirs for Donaghmore were compiled in the 1830s and will list the various schools in the parish at that time (and who was funding them). The memoirs may also mention when each school was established.

    http://www.nifhs.org/resources/journals/ordnance-survey-memoirs/

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 7th Jun 2017, 01:52PM
  • Hello Elwyn:

    A belated thank you for your last reply.  You have an impressive amount of knowledge concerning 19th Century Ireland which I've found quite helpful.

    I compared what I've found in the Scottish records concerning my ancestor Laughlin's sons versus your naming chart.  His first 2 sons (John and Bernard) follow the pattern - but the third boy was named James (versus Laughlin.)  And the remaining son - my gr. grandfather - was named William.  So presumably one or more of the exceptions you mention come into play with respect to the boys.

    With respect to the daughters - I don't know the given name of their mother's mother (the first girl was named Rose), but the pattern works with respect to the 2nd and 3rd daughter.

    I will try to locate a copy of the Ordnance memoirs for Donaghmore.  A brief search on the internet was not successful.  I would hope that they would give a picture of what life was like in the 1830's for a Catholic tenant farmer.

    Again - the detailed information you provided was of great help and interest. Much appreciated.

    Best regards,

    Tim

     

     

     

    TimS

    Thursday 15th Jun 2017, 02:40PM
  • Tim,

    The OS memoirs would give a description of life in the area, and the qaulity of the farms etc. PRONI in Belfast have a copy of the OS memoirs but a personal visit is required to view them. They were reprinted by the Ulster Historical Foundation in the 1990s. You could contact them and see if they can sell you a copy of the Donaghmore Memoirs.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 24th Jun 2017, 09:54PM
  • Hello Elwyn -

    I just picked up your reply.  I shall try the local LDS library - and see if they can access a copy.

    Thank you and best regards,

    Tim

    TimS

    Saturday 8th Jul 2017, 07:28PM
  • If LDS don’t have them, then here’s a link to the UHF site. They were selling them at reduced prices a year or so back.

     https://www.ancestryireland.com

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 9th Jul 2017, 12:36PM
  • Hi, 

     

    A bit of a random one as the information on this post resonated with me both the historical facts, names and location.

    While I can't prove the link, I know my gran's ancestors were situated in Donaghmore and I have an ancestry.co.uk link to Laughlin Hughes. The name Laughlin appears to have been used as a first name multiple times in the area and on the descending lines so I'm guessing this was a surname in the area. My grandfather's dna appears to link to Hughes. However it was my grandmother's line that I'm sure derived from the area. Her family name was McCollum so I think it is likely McColl and McCollum are more or less the same line. 

    On this point, I matched on Ancestry to an American McCollum whose ancestor was forced to flee Scotland after the Jacobite rebellion so my assumption is that my line coming to Donaghmore was related to this.

     

    I think the main challenge with Armagh and Tyrone is that everyone was related so the dna is quite muddy pre-1800 and if there are no records, harder again.

    Note - my family were/are protestant so the records are a little easier but again the armagh/tyrone ancestry is very mixed with Quakers also featuring heavily.

    With a combination of Dna, 1901 irish census records, wills and writing to matches, I've had some success on mapping some earlier lines but many others remain elusive. 

    Elaine

     

     

    Tuesday 11th Apr 2023, 07:00AM

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