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Armstrong/Lawn

William Armstrong and Bridget nee Lawn along with 4 children were evicted from Derryveagh, Warrentown in 1861.  I know the children to be John, Rose, Bridget and William.  John and Bridget came to Australia in 1862 on the "Abyssinian" John died in 1868.  Rose came on the "Wallasea" in 1865 but died 2 months later.  Bridget went on to marry and have a family in which I am descended from.  I have no idea what became of William at this stage, nor their parents William and Bridget.  I have probably not exhausted all there is to research, but being in Australia and limited funds, it has been difficult.  Would like to get in touch with family that may be connected or perhaps a link to other information on these families.

Regards

Candy58

Friday 19th December 2014, 02:34AM

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  • Griffiths Valuation for 1858 lists William Armstrong as farming in Warrentown. He had a house, outbuildings and 5 acres on plot 6, as well as a half share of a house, outbuildings and just under 2 roods of land on plot 5. He was sharing there with Alexander Lawn. William also had a two sixths share in some nearby mountain grazing (plot 1) with some other local farmers. That farm today is beside Garran Lough, a mile or two west of Kilmacrennan.

    http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSe...

    You say the family were evicted around that time. The revaluation records would tell you when. The records for Donegal are not on-line but are kept in the Valuation Office in Dublin. If you e-mail them they may look the records up for you.

    http://www.valoff.ie/en/Archives_Genealogy_Public_Office/

    I tried to search to see who was living there in 1901 & 1911 but the census records for that and several nearby townlands appear to be missing.

    I searched for a Bridget Armstrong death 1864 (when statutory death records begin) up to 1901, in the Letterkenny registration area. There were none. So either she died before 1864 or moved away from the area. The only Bridget Armstrong death anywhere in Co Donegal in that period was in 1892 in Ballyshannon, for a woman estimated to have been born in 1822. Ballyshannon is about 50 miles south of Warrentown.

    I searched for a death of a William Armstrong, in the Letterkenny registration area 1864 ? 1901. There was just one. He died in 1864, est year of birth 1799. The name William Armstrong is fairly common in Ireland so it?s not necessarily your family. But you might want to order the certificate to find out. You can get a photocopy from GRO Roscommon for ?4.

    You don?t say what denomination the couple were. Armstrong is almost exclusively Church of Ireland (in Donegal anyway) with the odd Presbyterian. Lawn is largely, RC, though there are a few Church of Ireland.  So statistically William and Bridget?s may have been a mixed marriage.

    If they, or their children were Church of Ireland then the bad news is that the parish has no records prior to 1881. (The earlier records were destroyed in the 1922 fire in Dublin). If they were RC, then the parish is called Termon & Gartan. They have no records before 1877. So either way it doesn?t look as though you will be able to trace the baptisms or parents marriage through church records.

    There?s about 5 William Armstrongs in Co Donegal in the 1901 census but there?s no obvious way of knowing whether any of them may be Wm junior. There?s a fair chance that after his parents died and his siblings had left, he would have left the area. If he didn?t go to the USA or Australia, the next likely destination for folk from Donegal was Scotland.

     

    Elwyn

    Ahoghill Antrim

    Friday 19th December 2014, 10:29AM
  • Wow Elwyn, thank you so much for this information, it has certainly given me some food for thought.  The 3 children who came to Australia were buried in a Roman Catholic Cemetery, so guess they would be.  I need to take this all in.   Have family arriving today for Christmas, so will have to flag this to look into after Christmas is over.  I will follow this links, and order that certificate as soon as I can

    Merry Christmas

    Regards

    Candy

    Candy58

    Friday 19th December 2014, 07:35PM
  • Hi again Elwyn

    Have had a chance to look at this.  Bridget (the Mother) I am thinking she died before 1851 as she is not on the 1851 census.   I checked out the Vaulation Records with the link you sent and have save them, it seems this could be them, but would like to find out some more concrete evidence.  However I know that Irish records are few and far between.  I think I might start with ordering that certificate you suggested and it may lead on to other information.  That William Armstrong if it is the right one would have been the father going by the date.  The Brdget up have a death record of would not be her otherwise she would have be 13 when she had John.  And as I dont know the date when son William was born which he could be the first, she would have been younger.  Will let you know if I find out anything from that certifcate.

     

    Hope you had a lovely Christmas

    Regards

    Candy

    Candy58

    Saturday 27th December 2014, 12:12AM
  • Candy,

    You say that Bridget is not on the 1851 census. Sadly the 1851 census for Donegal has been destroyed (save for a few fragments) so that?s why you won?t find her there. It doesn?t means she was dead.

    Let me know how you get on with the certificate. (A photocopy of it from GRO Roscommon should cost you ?4).

    Elwyn

    Ahoghill Antrim

    Monday 29th December 2014, 10:37PM
  • Some time has passed by too much happening.  Checking to find how to order the certificate.  Trying to find the information, but cannot seem to order before 1924.  Where did yoiu find the index Elwyn? Hope you are still on line  Candy

     

     

     

    Candy58

    Saturday 18th November 2017, 01:39AM
  • Candy,

    Death registrations in Ireland start in 1864. You can order a photocopy of the civil certificate from GRO Roscommon for €4 (euros).  What you need a is a research copy (ie photocopy) as opposed to a certificated copy which is much more expensive.

    http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

    You have to download and print off the form. Then either post or fax it. You can’t e-mail your order to them. However if you want them to e-mail the cert to back to you, they will do that, so tick the relevant box.

    The information to put on the form, apart from name and age, is Letterkenny 1864 Volume 12, page 117.

    I found the death information on the LDS site, but you will also get Irish deaths on Ancestry, if you have a subscription.

    Elwyn

    Saturday 18th November 2017, 08:21AM
  • Great thanks Elwyn.   I saw this application form but thought it was a out of date to post.  But needs must.  Yes I found it on FMP too.  Appreciate your help with this.  Hopfully this will be the one I am looking for and if not the cost is not over the top.  thanks again   Candy

     

     

    Candy58

    Sunday 19th November 2017, 09:35PM
  • Elwyn, just to let you know I have received the copy of the certificate thanks to you.  I am pretty certain it is a match.  His Dau Rose was with him in Church Hill Carrowtrasma which by looking at the map is not far away from Derryveagh.  Rose came out to Australia the following year but sadly died 2 months later.  Williams wife as far as I am aware died before the 1851 census as she was not on it.  The link I had for the 1851 census is no longer available, must not have saved the document,  Guess I wont find any death information for his wife.  It may have been that his son William died you as only 3 children were living with him in 1861. 

    Again thanks for your help Elwyn it is very much appreciated. 

    Candy

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Candy58

    Saturday 2nd December 2017, 04:42AM
  • Candy,

    William’s death certificate should show his marital status. So if a widower, then you know Bridget pre-deceased him, and there won’t be a death certificate for her since death registration only started in 1864. It looks to me as though after Bridget & John left for Australia, Rose remained to look after her widowed father. His death in 1864 then allowed her to join her siblings in 1865.

    Not sure where you are getting your census information from. The whole of the 1861 Irish census was destroyed in about 1916. Most of the 1841 & 1851 censuses were lost in the civil war in 1922, though some fragments have survived, mainly because of copies of sections taken for pension purposes. In Donegal that amounts to about 4000 names. No Armstrongs though.

     

    Elwyn

    Saturday 2nd December 2017, 02:44PM
  • The 1851 census for the Derryveagh townlands exist and were taken from an RIC notebook before the were destroyed (on purpose!) in Letterkenny, during a cleanup in the 1990s? That portion was given to May McClintock, who they knew was researching Derryveagh at the time. I knew May well and saw the pages.

    Lindel

    Thursday 7th February 2019, 02:37PM