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I'm interested if anyone recognizes or has any more information with regards to the following marriage register.  My great great grandparents are listed as well as several names that appear in the trees of my DNA matches.

http://donegalgenealogy.com/clondavaddogmarrg.htm

McCarronKelly

Friday 10th December 2021, 08:04PM

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  • McCarronKelly:

    I will forward this message to our volunteer for Clondavaddog civil parish. Likely he also has ancestors included with this marriage index.

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 10th December 2021, 08:37PM
  • Thanks.

    McCarronKelly

    Friday 10th December 2021, 10:50PM
  • Thank you Roger McDonnell for the alerting me to the Query.

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    Hi McCarronKelly, Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out,  

    The excel is a transcription of the Roman Catholic Marriage register for the Parish of Clondavaddog. The entries within it were taken from 24 Feb 1847 to the 6 Jun 1865 in Massmount Chapel near Tamney, Fanad, County Donegal. 

    May I ask McCarronKelly who might your great great grandparents be, who are listed on it, as well as the several names that appear in the trees relevant to  your DNA matches.  

    I happen to come from the Parish and the chances are good that I might know information, or be able to source information relevant to your particular familes.  

    The more detail you can provide the better. 

    Kind regards 

    Seamus Callaghan 

    Volunteer for Parish of Clondavaddog  

    (North-West Donegal

    Clondavaddog Donegal, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 11th December 2021, 03:21AM
  • Thanks you so much Seamus,

    My ancestors are Patrick McCarron and Elizabeth Kelly married 26 Feb 1865.  I will go through the spreadsheet and re-establish the names that correspond to my DNA matches.  Afterwards, I will update you with more specific information.  Sweeney, Deeny, Gallagher, and Friel are some of the surnames.

    My great great grandfather https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McCarron-1112

    My great great grandmother https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kelly-14949

    -- Chip

    McCarronKelly

    Saturday 11th December 2021, 05:21PM
  • Seamus,

    I see that I have a common GEDMatch with a Seamus Callaghan.  My ID is A693920.

    McCarronKelly

    Saturday 11th December 2021, 06:33PM
  • Seamus,

    Here are details of marriages that are listed in the register and names that are in trees produced by my DNA matches.  I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the trees. From my GEDMatch comparison, I believe you are a common match to one or more of these DNA sources.

    1. 9 Feb 1864 Friel Daniel Friel Mary   - McGinly, John McGinly, Grace    My DNA Match = 3 Segments, Largest 11.9 cM Triangulated
    2. 29 Aug 1847 Friel John McGrenahan Ellen   - McGrenahan, WilliamSweeney, Madge  My DNA Match = Segments, Largest 20 cM  Note: Tree just lists first name of Ellen as John’s spouse
    3. 23 Feb 1857 Kelly Edward Kelly Elizabeth   - Boyle, Edward McGinly, CeciliaMichael   My DNA Match = Segments, Largest 21.1 cM Triangulated
    4. 20 Feb 1849 McCarron Daniel  Sweeney Anne  - Callaghan, Daniel Coyle, Mary  My DNA Match = Segments, Largest 8 cM
    5. 26 Feb 1865 McCarron Patrick Kelly Elizabeth  My ancestors
    6. 29 Jan 1850 McGinley Michael Sweeney  - MarySweeney, JohnMcAteer, Mary  My DNA Match =  Segments, Largest 21.8 cM Triangulated  Note: No McGinley spouse listed in the tree but John McGinley is their son
    7. 31 Jan 1864 Sweeney Francis McConigly Mary  -Sweeney, Charles Sweeney, Catherine  My DNA Match = Segments, Largest 21.1 cM Triangulated
    8. 28 Feb 1865 Sweeney Patrick Coll Bridget  My DNA Match = 3 Segments, Largest 21.1 cM Triangulated

    McCarronKelly

    Saturday 11th December 2021, 07:21PM
  • Two more

    1. 7 Mar 1848 Martin Edward Sweeney Susan  My DNA Match = 1 Segment, Largest 24 cM
    2. 6 Oct 1862 Callaghan James Kelly Madge  -McTier, FrancisKelly, Hannah  My DNA Match = 1 Segment, 26 cM  Note: tree has Madge's spouse as James "Seamie (cannot read anymore).  I assume this is Callaghan because the name of the son is stated as James Callahan.
       

    McCarronKelly

    Saturday 11th December 2021, 08:14PM
  • Hello Chip, 

    Looking into your own family of Patrick McCarron and Elizabeth Kelly married 26 Feb 1865 

    I have attached below the marriage registered for them. It provides the location of residence at the time of marriage in 1865 for both Patrick and Elizabeth (Betty) as being Kindrum, Fanad.   

    The Birth registered for their first child in 1866 was given as : Charles McCarron b.16Feb1866, Townland of Ballykinard, to parent Patrick McCarron and Elizabeth Kelly.  

     

    The location of Townland of Kindrum would be: 

    https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/kilmacrenan/clondavaddog/greenfort/kindrum/ 

    The location of Townland of Ballykinard is:  

    https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/kilmacrenan/clondavaddog/rosnakill/ballykinard/ 

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    In 1901 there are two Mccarron families living near this area of interest of Kindrum. They are a John McCarron and a William McCarron in the neighboring Townland of Coolback.  

    https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/kilmacrenan/clondavaddog/greenfort/coolback/ 

     

    www.census.nationalarchives.ie - 1901 Coolback-John McCarron 

    www.census.nationalarchives.ie- 1901Coolback- William McCarron household 

     

    Is this the type information that you might be searching for Chip or have you perhaps sourced this already. 

    Seamus 

     

     

    Clondavaddog Donegal, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 12th December 2021, 07:16AM

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  • Thanks Seamus,

    While I had records for the marriage and the birth of charles, I did not have such detailed data, so I really appreciate you finding them.  I think I'm looking for a few things

    1). I have so many DNA connections with names from Donegal.  Many of them are strong enough that I'm confident they are from the 3rd to 5th cousin level.  However, I have not found any records that link my ancestors with my DNA matches ancestors.  The marriage register seems like a good candidate to "crowd source" connections.  Hopefully, the information I provided will help to start that.

    2) I believe (I need a record) my great great grandfather died before his wife and three daughter immigrated to New Jersey, USA.  I think the eldest son Charles died as an infant (if the record I have is truly him). 

    3( I know the youngest son Edward was still alive in 1919 in Ireland from my great great grandmothers obituary.  I would like to know about his family.  I have found records of Edward McCarron, but nothing that I could be confidently associate with him.

    One of my main nterests in genealogy is because it is like a giant jigsaw puzzle.  The fun is finding peices and filling ithem in their correct place. 

    Thans again

    Chip

    McCarronKelly

    Sunday 12th December 2021, 06:38PM
  • Hi Chip, 

    I usually would not do this as it takes up a lot of time to complete but I have searched through available records on  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp 

    And found dates of birth for what I believ is all of the siblings of Charles McCarron. I have attached them here for you. I have come across Family trees online however the years given are very far out. 

    I would fairly confident that the location of the homestead that Patrick McCarron and Elizabeth Kelly would have called home would be in the townland Coolback as previously mentioned above. The six children in order of youngest to oldest are Charles 1866, Mary 1867, Edward 1870, Ellen 1871, Unie 1874, and Denis 1876. The location of Coolback is recorded on five of their birth records apart from their first child called Charles.  

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    Clondavaddog Donegal, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 13th December 2021, 03:22AM

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  • Hi Chip, 

    In your query you forgot to provide a year of emigration for Elizabeth Kelly and her three girls. I wouldn't have time to try and source that kind of information, but I can tell you that I was successful find the recorded Death Registered Patrick McCarron from Coolback, Fanad. 

    Death Registered - Patrick McCarron - he died on the 17 Feb 1879, at a young age of 45years, which might put his birth somewhere about 1834. Patrick's wife Elizabeth was present at the time of Death 

    Seamus 

    Clondavaddog Donegal, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 13th December 2021, 03:44AM

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  • I found time to look at the three McCarron brothers Charles, Edward and Denis. Its heartbreaking to see but it seems that Charles and Denis McCarron passed away as very young baby's.  

    The only living bother in the early 1900s was Edward McCarron and he was living at home in 1919 as per an US Obituary I had seen online; however, it seems that unfortunatly Edward McCarron passed away the following year. He was recorded as being a widower, but I was unable to find referance to a marriage at this time.

    Seamus

    Clondavaddog Donegal, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 13th December 2021, 04:05AM

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  • Seamus, 

    Thanks for the records.  I have found some of them in Family Search but they don't have the images.  I never was able to find Patrick McCarron's death record, so thanks a lot for that.

    The other McCarron's immigrated to the USA in 1889.  See attached #s 219 to 222 on the ship Circassia.

    Also, are you one of my DNA matches on GEDMatch?

    McCarronKelly

    Tuesday 14th December 2021, 04:20AM

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  • Hi Chip, 

    That is right I would be coming up as a distant match on GEDMatch as well as on ancestry DNA. 

    Because your own McCarron family line have emigrated or passed, the best advice I can recommend for you going forward would be to start to research and compile these other McCarron families from Coolback and build them into your family tree. Chances are it is from those families that you are seeing closer DNA connections.  

    You should be able to navigate the website https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp   irishgeneoulgy.ie handy enough as all the McCarron records will be available to you.  

    When searching McCarron births and marriages, just remember to click only on the location results named Milford or Millford on the left-hand side of the screen. Milford Town would have been the main town that every family had to travel to in North West Donegal when registering their child's birth, marriages, deaths etc.  

    As your tree is growing you will see the marriage connections that are showing up as markers or shared matches on GEDmatch and ancestry DNA and it is there you will also see names from the clondavaddog marriages list that you originally queried.  

    You are extreme fortunate. There are so many visiting irelandxo.com that have DNA or paper connections to Donegal that would love more than anything to be able to pinpoint a location such as Coolback and know this is where their ancestors would have called home. 

    Seamus 

    Clondavaddog Donegal, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 17th December 2021, 01:17PM

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  • Thanks Seamus for all your help.  I did not know of the Irish Genealogy records site.  Often, one gets directed to a site that has records behind a paywall and usually bought by Ancestry.com.  I have used this site to find a few more records of my ancestors from Cavan.

    I have extensively researched the descendants of Patrick McCarron and Elizabeth Kelly and put this data on WikiTree.  I would like to connect these profiles to my more distant Donegal cousins.  The DNA results show that there are many.  However, I am so far failing at finding the common ancestors.

    McCarronKelly

    Friday 17th December 2021, 09:27PM