Cochrane/Orr

Hi Daphne,

There are a number of records you could check for Co. Down:

1796: Spinning Wheel Premium Entitlement Lists This was part of a government scheme to encourage the linen trade, free spinning wheels or looms were granted to individuals planting a certain area of land with flax.The lists of those entitled to the awards, covering almost 60,000 individuals, were published in 1796, and record only the names of the individuals and the civil parish in which they lived. The majority, were in Ulster, but some names appear from every county except Dublin and Wicklow. A microfiche index to the lists is available in the National Archives, and in PRONI (Public Records of Northern Ireland). There are 2,975 names for Co. Down. You could check www.failteromhat.com for more information.

1798 Persons who suffered losses in the 1798 rebellion. Propertied classes only. c. 180 names. National Library of Ireland (NLI) I 94107.

1799-1800 Militia Pay Lists and Muster Rolls. PRONI T.1115/4A C

1803 Agricultural survey recording householderrs, occupations and agricultural possessions. Covers parts at least of thirty parishes. More than 11,000 names. PRONI D/654/A2/1-37A-C

1813-21 Freeholders. PRONI T.761/19, Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) Film 258701.

You could also try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64). Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com or here: www.failteromhat.com Failte Romhat has lots of other useful links you could try looking at.Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38). Microfilm copies of the books for all of Ireland are available at the National Archives of Ireland (NAI) http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/tithe-applotment-books-and-the-primary-griffith-valuation/ or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS).

1824 Freeholders. PRONI T.761/20.

Regarding checking for information about the hanging, I would think that you could possibly find something about this in perhaps local court reports ot newspaper reports, but you would need to know the specific details about it (date, place, etc.).

Do you know when Thomas left Ireland?

Do you know much about their emigration? Dates, the reason why they left, etc.? Generally, more information was given at the port of arrival rather than the port of departure. If you knew which city they arrived at, this could be a good place to find more information, and perhaps even find out an exact place of origin. There are lots of books and documents available about the Irish emigration to NZ. There is a website you could look at: http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/irish/2 for information about the Irish in New Zealand.

Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

Kind regards,

Sinead Cooney

Genealogist (Ireland XO)

 

 

 

 

My family is Orr from Walshestown / Russells Quarter North in Saul, Co Down.

I also have knowledge of a Cochrane / Mary Orr marriage at Killyleagh, but it is later than your date.

My Orr marriage records also tie to th same Saul Church but about 30 years later.  And I would think there is a strong possibility they are related to Mary.

What I don't see is how they could connect to William Orr of Farranshane of 1797, because they appear to be in Saul already by that time.

Below is my Cochrane family details in the hope that you may be able to tie some of them in with your records.

I look forward to your comments.

 

Daphne F (nee Cochrane)

 

 

Descendants of William Cochrane and Mary Orr

 

1.  WILLIAM COCHRANE

Born Ireland. (This is open to debate as I have not been able to prove this yet.) Could be  Scotland.

Occupation: Ships master in British Maritime Navy. He may have only been a seaman sailor or boatman – as per baptism records.

married MARY ORR 3 Feb 1832 in Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ulster Historical Foundation.), daughter of ORR.

 

On this church record William's fathers name is only given as Cochrane - so it will be much harder to be able to trace William's forefathers) Witnesses were Thomas Orr and Robert Cotter.  Is this Thomas Orr Mary’s father or brother??

 

Children of WILLIAM COCHRANE and MARY ORR are:

i.   WILLIAM COCHRANE

Born 1832, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 25 Nov 1832, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland.

Occupation: Seaman

married JANE INGRAM, 20 Dec 1860, Killyleagh 1st Presbyterian Church, Killyleagh

daughter of James Ingram a Shoemaker. Witnesses were John Hamilton and Robert Hamilton.

 

ii.   FRANCES COCHRANE

Born 1834, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 11 May 1834, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland

 

iii.   ELIZABETH COCHRANE

Born 1836, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 28 Jan 1836, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland

 

iv.   MARGARET COCHRANE

Born 1838, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 18 Jun 1838, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland.

 

v.   SAMUEL COCHRANE

Born 1840, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland

Baptism: 10 May 1840, Church of Ireland, Walshestown, district of Saul, County Down, Ireland.

(Source: Ulster Historical Foundation.)

Occupation: Royal British Navy and USA Navy/Dredge Master with Auckland Harbour Board

Died. 21 Mar 1920, 5 Newton Street, Auckland, New Zealand (Source: NZSG Burial Locator.)

Burial: 23 Mar 1920, Waikaraka Cemetery, Auckland, New Zealand.

 

m. ELLEN RICHMOND, 17 Jun 1878, Church of Ireland, Killyleagh, County Down, Ireland.

(Source: UlsterHistorical Foundation).

Ellen was born Abt. 1859, Ayrshire, Scotland

Died 14 Apr 1942, Hamilton, New Zealand (Source: NZ Historical Records).

Burial: 1942, Hamilton East Cemetery, New Zealand

 

vi.   THOMAS COCHRANE  (This is my great grandfather – my direct line)

Born Abt. 1842, Killyleagh, County Down, Ireland (Pure guessing)

Occupation: Farmer

Died 03 Mar 1923, Pollok,  Waiuku, New Zealand

Burial: 05 Mar 1923, Family plot in the Pollok cemetery

Married (1) JANET HENDERSON, 26 Jul 1867, Pollok, New Zealand

Born: 27 Nov 1825, Dalmeny, West Lothian, Scotland

Died: 22 Apr 1877, Pollok

Burial: Family plot in the Pollok cemetery

Married (2) ELIZABETH HAYTER, 06 Dec 1877, Registrar's Office, Auckland

Born: 1861, Hindon, Wiltshire, England

Baptism: 06 Jan 1861, St John Baptist, Hindon, Wiltshire, Englan

Died: 29 Apr 1900, Pollok, Waiuku, New Zealand

Burial: 2 May 1900, Family plot in the Pollok cemetery

Married (3) ELIZA HUDSON, 17 Jul 1901, the House of Robert Hudson, Aka Aka

Died 29 Nov 1947, Pollok, Waiuku, New Zealand.

Burial: Family plot in the Pollok cemetery

 

vii.   ANNE COCHRANE

Born 1844, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 28 Mar 1844, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland

 

viii.   MARY COCHRANE

Born 1844, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com.)

Baptism: 28 Mar 1844, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland

 

ix.   JAMES COCHRANE

Born 1845, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 14 Oct 1845, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland

Occcupation: Seaman

Married ELIZABETH MARTIN, 29 July 1870 Killyleagh 1st Presbyterian Church, Killyleagh, daughter of Robert Martin a labourer. Witnesses were James Ashe and Agnes Martion. (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Child of James Cochran and Elizabeth Martin is:

i. JOHN COCHRAN, born 28 Aug 1871, County Down, Ireland (Source: familysearch.org)

 

x.   MARY JANE COCHRANE

Born 5 Mar 1848, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source:Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 26 Mar 1848, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland

Married CHRISTIAN F RINKERT, 23 Sept 1870, Church of Ireland, Killyleagh (Source: Ancestryireland.com)

 

xi.   ANNE COCHRANE

Born 8 Jan 1850, Walshestown, Saul, County Down, Ireland (Source: Ancestryireland.com).

Baptism: 23 Jan 1850, Church of Ireland, Saul, County Down, Ireland

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Sinead,

 

I have already checked out all your suggestions with no success.  I have made contact with another Cochrane researcher who is looking for Cochranes in the same  Killyleagh, Inch, Saul, Walshetown areas so hopfully between us we will find something that will be helpful.

As I will be in Ireland later next year I am hoping that I can make contact with a living relative otherwise I will have to research whilst in Ireland.

 

Thanks again

 

Daphne F (nee Cochrane)

My Gt Gt grandfather is Thomas Orr from Russells Quarter North / Welshestown

He married at Saul CoI in 1862.  In his will 1877 he mentions his brother Mathew Orr of Walshestown. Also a John Coulter.

Could your Robert Cotter be Coulter?

 

When I traced Mathew he died in 1901 mentions his sister Mrs Mary Cochrane of Killyleagh.

There are interesting notes you should see in the Freeholders records in 1815 and 1824 which I have some theories on.

I have a spreadsheet of data that I'd like to send you of the early 1800 Orrs in this area. Is there a way to send these to you via email

Regards

Brenda Orr-Berwick