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Hello,
I recently located my gg-grandfathers death certificate here in the US and thankfully parents names were listed.
Patrick Hogan born July 23 1864. To Michael Hogan and Maria/Mary Cuff/Cuffe.
I was able to locate the baptismal record on Ireland.ie:
Name: Patricius Hogan
Bap: July 25 1864
Father: Michael Hogan
Mother: Maria Cuffe
Address 3 william Place
Parish/congregation: St. Lawrence

Other sources for the same event list location as Dublin/ north Dublin union/ County Dublin and No 1 North City Dublin.

My question is how best to go about locating additional records as various searches have not yielded results and could someone educate me in the various ways the location was described?
I apologize for not being more familiar with the systems you use.
Patrick immigrated in either 1877 or 1881. There are conflicting statements and I've not definitively locates his parents either. I do have one "Mick Hogan" in 1877 with a son Patrick and daughter as well.. But no wife. Family settled in Ohio.
A bitter note was Patrick was killed in an altercation in a bar... He and his son were shot, and thankfully his son at least survived. I will be going to the cemetery soon to pay my respects now that he has been located.
I appreciate any help you can offer and I'm so grateful for your site.

Lsnyder812

Tuesday 19th Feb 2019, 08:59PM

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    This is a link to Patrick’s civil birth certificate. It tells you that Michael Hogan was  a labourer at that time:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03597/2326217.pdf

    There’s a baptism for Margaret Hogan born 7.10.1861 to same parents, again on the irishgenealogy site given above.

    There’s a record of Michael Hogan marrying Mary Cuffe on 28.2.1859 in Naas, Co Kildare. Witnesses were Thomas & Mary Hogan. That rather suggests the couple originated in Naas (or at least the bride did, as tradition was to marry in the bride’s church) and that they moved up to Dublin after their marriage.

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634525#page/30/mode/1up

    There was also a Mary Hogan born in Chapel, Lane, Dundalk, Co Louth to Michael Hogan & Mary Cuffe, on 19.3.1867. Michael’s occupation was a labourer. Can’t say for certain whether it’s the same couple but obviously you may be able to compare this information with what you have found in the US.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 19th Feb 2019, 09:23PM
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    regarding your question on the locations mentioned for your Hogan/Cuffe family in Dublin ...

    Patrick's baptism took place at St. Laurence O`Toole Catholic Church at Seville Place in Dublin city, sometimes known as North Wall Parish, and is located a short distance to the north east of the Custom House. This church opened in 1850 and became a parish soon after.

    There were a number of William Places in Dublin city (at least 4), but by far the most likely for your Hogan family is 'William Place, North East" which was located close to the church - see attached map. In Thom's Directory this street is described as consisting of "sixteen cottages". Edited : part of the place of birth for Patrick shows "off Newfoundland" which confirms this (William Place N.E. ran between Sheriff St and Newfoundland St.)

    The other places, "Dublin/north Dublin union/ County Dublin and No 1 North City Dublin". are references to the county and civil registration districts and sub-districts. Dublin city is in County Dublin, and the civil registration district covering the north of the city was 'North City' which was based the area covered by 'North Dublin Poor Law Union'. No. 1 North City Dublin is a registration sub-district, part of North City District.

    For reference Naas, Co. Kildare is located about 33km (c20 miles) to the south west of Dublin city centre, and Dundalk, Co. Louth is located about 80km (c50 miles) north of Dublin city.

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 20th Feb 2019, 09:21AM
  • Shanew147 and Elwyn. I'm absolutely speechless at the wealth of infirmation you have provided us!
    One never really holds out high hopes when making a plea such as this... It simply seems so unlikely lol. But I'm incredibly grateful for your efforts on our behalf.
    You have given the family quite a big bit back that was lost once Patrick's daughter passed. She was our great grandmother... And She was so proud of her Irish parents. Her mother was first generation here.
    So from all of us.. Ten thousand thank yous. And I will continue to follow all of your tips and information for sure!
    Wishing you happiness
    Laura

    Lsnyder812

    Thursday 21st Feb 2019, 01:40AM

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