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This is a  thank you for the message I received concerning surname Joyce in Donnybrook. I will provide some information concerning the Donnybrook connection.

The birth of my wife's grandfather Patrick Joyce was registered in Donnybrook district. He was born  16 Feb, 1870- we have a copy of his birth certificate. His father was William Joyce and mother Harriet (nee Lovelock). They gave their address as Fortlands Merrion. In a recent quick search of Dublin areas, I see no specific place called Fortlands but several references in real estate ads so I assume that is  a well known area of south Dublin. Merrion is a street in District 4. The father gave his occupation as Railway Messenger and I see there is a rail line through the area so that makes sense. Another notation on the birth certificate which may prove worhwhile for future research is that the informant is Bridget Joyce, address also Merrion, who was present at the birth.

I have a baptismal record for baby Patrick for 1870. It was a RC baptism and the Parish/Church/Congregation is listed as St Mary. I am presently trying to figure out St Mary- a preliminary look suggests this may be a bit complicated.

Baby Patrick eventually moved to St John's Newfoundland Canada (where we now live) and passed away in the late1930s or early 1940s. During his lifetime here, he didn't say much about his early life in Ireland and all who knew him are now gone.

With the help of someone else on Ireland Reaching Out, we think we have information about the father William. It seems he was in the army for about 21 years and that Patrick had younger siblings, three sisters tentatively identified so far. If true, this has come as a surprise to my wife (Patrick's granddaughter). I have enlistment papers and discharge papers for him and will be looking into getting detailed information about his postings, time and place, to try and link these to the other children. I think after much consultation on various gvt websites I know how to do this. My stumbling block right at this moment is that the Ministry of Defence, to which I think I have to apply, requires a service number. I have not seen this on any of the records that I possess. So before I send 30 pounds to get the records I will be asking some questions this week to find out my other information will suffice or if I can get a service number.

I have a burial record for a William Joyce, army pensioner, who died 1887 and is buried in Glasnevin Cemetery. His last address was 30 Killarney Terrace, North Circular Road, Mater M Hospital. I also have a burial record for Harriet Joyce, died 1884, clerk's wife, same cemetery, last address given as 29 Killarney Terrace, North Circular Road, Dublin. Can anyone tell me if the address (es) are for the hospital or are they residentail addresses? North Circular Road runs close to the hospital but the official hospital address now is something else.

Sorry about the lengthy description and thanks for the past communications

Jim

 

timtys1

Sunday 2nd March 2014, 03:56PM

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  • Hi Jim,

     

    His service number is below, you know which regiment of foot he served in.

     

    The houses in Killarney Terrace were part of the Mater Hospital, they may have been used as a hospice.

     

    I was baptised in the parish of St Mary's, Haddington Road, St Mary's parish also included Donnybrook until thye Church of the Sacred Heart was built, Donnybrook then became a separate parish.

     

    Fortlands, were a group of terraced houses on the Merrion Road in Dublin, if you check the map they are close to St. Vincents Hospital.

     

    Canada, British Army Regimental Rolls of Non-commissioned Officers and Soldiers, 1806-1892
    about William Joyce

    Name:William Joyce

    Birth Year:abt 1828

    Birth Place:Amadan, Galway

    Age at Attestation:19

    Attestation Date:5 May 1847

    Attestation Place:Galway

    Regimental Number:2598

     

    Brendan

    BrendanJoseph

    Monday 3rd March 2014, 11:22AM
  • Hi Jim,

     

    Electronic reader

     

    Friday 16th February 1853, Freeman's Journal

     

    :::_¦ *-_;•_: t' . ¦: ¦ _-_; : . BIRTHS. ¦;'_...-,, -

    _"; September 13, . at ' _Fortland Cottages, Merrion _. county Dublin, Mra. Frederio A. Supple.of a dauEhter_, being her seventh

    ¦¦ ohild. ; " .. . .-.--.. 

    September 13, in Upper _Xeeson-street, the wife of Capt«n Barker, of the'Koyal Artillery, of a'son/ :; ¦ '; '"-'

     

    Brendan

    BrendanJoseph

    Monday 3rd March 2014, 11:38AM
  • Hi Jim,

     

    Electronic reader

     

    Friday 16th February 1853, Freeman's Journal

     

    :::_¦ *-_;•_: t' . ¦: ¦ _-_; : . BIRTHS. ¦;'_...-,, -

    _"; September 13, . at ' _Fortland Cottages, Merrion _. county Dublin, Mra. Frederio A. Supple.of a dauEhter_, being her seventh

    ¦¦ ohild. ; " .. . .-.--.. 

    September 13, in Upper _Xeeson-street, the wife of Capt«n Barker, of the'Koyal Artillery, of a'son/ :; ¦ '; '"-'

     

    Brendan

    BrendanJoseph

    Monday 3rd March 2014, 11:51AM
  • Hi again Brendan

    Tahnks for the clarification of that regimental number vis a vis the service number. Indeed I had the regimental number but was not sure if it was the same thing. I have all I need to apply for his detailed service record. Although the form I have to send is rather simple I will send along a separate sheet with the details I have on his regiments, etc so whoever does the searches will be able to get the correct person. I am sure they are very experienced so I am probably being too cautious but it's easy for me to do.

    I sent that detailed description becasue someone had seen our exchange and offered further comments- you probably saw that.

    Thanks also for the explanation of the geography of Dublin- Fortlands, Merrion and Killarney Terrace- some of ehich are not available  by simply looking at a map. Your explanations really clarify things.

    Cheers

    Jim

    timtys1

    Monday 3rd March 2014, 01:22PM
  • Hi Brendan

    Were these meant for me?

    Jim

    timtys1

    Monday 3rd March 2014, 01:26PM
  • Hi Jim,

     

    I sent the newspaper cuttings to prove that Fortland Cottages existed 1853.

     

    The MOD are very good at locating records, I would send them every piece of information that you have including his wife's name. The last record I received from them ran to 62 pages, it also recorded address for pension and changes of addresses during pension.

     

    Brendan

    BrendanJoseph

    Monday 3rd March 2014, 02:13PM