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Joined army at 14 and went to England with Royal Kents. 

I can trace his family from there as have army records.he died in England 1919. 

Finding out about his life prior to the army is difficult. His sister Christina signed enlistment, so not sure about his parents. Possible is John and  Anne. Names to popular to sure.

I would have thought there would be a lot of ancestors or a board about Boylan. I tried DNA no boylan matches

Christina his sister  married into Hughes  family. 

Would like to establish is parents and other siblings.was it common for sisters to enlist younger brothers in army, maybe parents dead. 

Patrick's  son Grant Stanley Patrick  came to nz in 1920s and died at an early age and didn't pass on any stories of the Irish family. I do know Grant  visited his Aunty and cousins while in the army in Dublin.  From his war diary. 

I don't know if Patrick went back. 

For many years we were 1 of 2 Boylan families in nz. 

So if there are any Boylan that are related to Patrick or Christina I would like to understand more about their lives. 

 

eevee

Saturday 27th November 2021, 04:05AM

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  • Hello eevee,

    According to her civil registration marriage record located at the free irishgenealogy.ie website, Christina Boylan and Edward Hughes were married in St. Michan’s Roman Catholic Church, Anne Street, Dublin, on August 18, 1878. At the time of marriage Edward and Christina were of “full age.” Edward had been a “Bachelor” and Christina a “Spinster.” Edward’s occupation was “Laborer.” His residence at the time of marriage looks like 5 N. Anne Street, but it’s difficult to tell exactly, as the handwriting on the marriage record is a challenge to read in some places. His father is Edward Hughes. There’s another word under Edward’s name. It appears to be the word “Living.” Edward’s occupation was “Laborer.”

    There is an occupation recorded for Christina, but again I could not tell what this occupation was with certainty, though it may be “Servant.” Her residence at the time of marriage also looks like 5 N. Anne Street as well. Her father is John Boylan whose occupation appears to be “News Vendor.”

    The priest who married Edward and Christina was Paul Kehoe, C.C. The initials C.C. stand for “Catholic Curate.” The witnesses to the marriage were James Moran and Ellen Lyons.

    I also located the St. Michan’s Catholic Church marriage record for Edward and Christina at the irishgenealogy.ie website’s Church Records collection. The marriage record spans two pages of the register from left to right.

    The record shows that Edward’s father and mother were Edward and Margaret Hughes. The residence of Edward and Margaret is recorded, but because of the handwriting I could only make out what appears to be Church Street.

    Christina’s parents are recorded as John and Anne Boylan. I could not clearly tell what their residence was.

    The address of the witnesses to the marriage, James Moran and Ellen Lyons is on the right-hand page of the marriage register, but I couldn’t tell what their residence was.

    The church marriage record is attached to this reply, and is the second to the last entry up from the bottom of the register. You’ll have to enlarge the marriage register to read it.

    Based on the marriage record I found what I believe to be Christina Boylan’s birth/baptism transcription at irishgenealogy.ie website’s Church Records collection. Christina was born on 26 December 1856 and was baptized in St. Michan’s Catholic Church on 29 December 1856. At the time of the baptism she and her family were residing in 72 Pill Lane. Her parents are John Boylan and Anne Vaughan. The sponsors, or godparents were Patrick Alcock and Elizabeth Vaughan. Elizabeth Vaughan may have been Anne Vaughan’s sister.

    The baptism transcription is attached to this reply.

    I also found a copy of the original baptism record for Christina Boylan at the free National Library of Ireland website. Her baptism is the 6th entry up from the bottom of the register at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633591#page/103/mode/1up

    The baptism register spans two pages. The name of the priest who baptized Christina was H. Beardwood.

    You can enlarge the register for a better view of the baptism record.

    Based on Christina’s marriage and baptism records I uncovered what I believe is the St. Michan’s, Dublin City baptism record for your Patrick Boylan at the National Library of Ireland website.

    His baptism shows his full name is Patrick Joseph Boylan, and that he was born on 18 August 1863 and baptized on 31 August 1863. His parents are John Boylan and Anne Vaughan. The address of the family at the time of the baptism was 10 Greek Street.

    There only appears to be the name of the godmother recorded in the baptism record. Her name is on the right-hand page of the register and is very difficult to read, but it could be Ellen Green.

    Patrick’s baptism is the 6th entry up from the bottom of the register at:
    https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633593#page/74/mode/1up

    The baptism spans two pages of the register.

    I didn’t find the marriage record for John Boylan and Anne Vaughan at the National Library of Ireland website but did locate their marriage record at the irishgenealogy.ie website. They were married in St. Michan’s on 3 February 1856. The names of the witnesses appear to be Nicholas Ruane and Margarita Neil. The name of the priest who married them was D. O’Brien. The marriage record is attached to this reply and is the last entry you see in the register.

    First names in the marriage register are in the Latin form. For example, John is “Joannes” and Anne, “Annam.”

    It is 1 O’clock in the morning here in the U.S., and so I’ll close for now, but I’ll see if I can find siblings of Patrick and Christina sometime on Saturday, 27 November.

    With Kind Regards,

    Dave Boylan (No Relation)

    P.S. Christina, who was 8 years older than Patrick, may have been Patrick's guardian if she had signed his enlistment papers, which is an indication that the parents were deceased or unable to sign the enlistment papers themselves.

    SOURCES

    irishgenealogy.ie
    National Library of Ireland

    davepat

    Saturday 27th November 2021, 06:13AM

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    reland, Griffith’s Valuation, 1847-1864

    Terence Boylan resided in Townland Cloontirm, Parcel #1 (Griffith Valuation 1847-1864). Longford, Ardagh, Ballymacormick

    My family (Birmingham) occupied Parcel #5.

     

    Daniel P. Birmingham

    Birmingham's of Townland Cloontirm in Longford

    Saturday 27th November 2021, 05:20PM
  • Wow thanks so much. I will add these items to my tree.
    You have confirmed alot.
    Terence is my fathers name. So maybe named after ancester. Other siblings are named after aunts/uncles could never tie this name in.
    Thanks do much for the help. Started looking again when my son showed intetest.

    eevee

    Saturday 27th November 2021, 07:20PM
  • Hi eevee,  Would that searching was as easy as yours, the records from dave are much as he said. Christina had several children, Mary Anne  B9-6-1879,  John B. 4-12-1882,  Ellen 23-6-1887  Born at Church Street and baptised at St. Michans. Christina and Patrick had other siblings, James B.19-1-1858  , Christopher, B 27-12-1861,  Mary Ellen B. 19-5-1865 and of course Patrick himself  B.18-8-1863 at 10 Greek Street, the sponsor at his Baptism was an Ellen Green  and all at St. Michans

    I looked for Johns Death on the basis of what you said, there is a John Boylan Died 1873 0f Typhoid pneumonia aged 35 of Gloster Place which is close to Greek st.  witness was Charlotte Boylan. Both John and Anne Vaughan had siblings.

     If you can , it would be well worth your time to look at the records yourself. Dave has given you the way in.  Best Myles

    searcher

    Saturday 27th November 2021, 10:15PM
  • I will thankyou

    eevee

    Sunday 28th November 2021, 06:34PM
  • Hi eevee,  Have a look at Census of Ireland for 1901 166 Church street , Edward and Christina Hughes Patricks sister, age 42 and see the written details on the Household return form below the cenus details.   Best Myles

    searcher

    Monday 29th November 2021, 10:36AM
  • Hi eevee, Looking for something else and came across a Roots chat in 2007 , a cousin of Christina s in uk looking for info on her.  Poss the best way for you to find it is in Google, Christina Hughes Church street Dublin. Thers some info there for you, you prob need to put  .IE after your search. for what its worth.    Best

    searcher

    Monday 29th November 2021, 07:08PM
  • Hello eevee,

    To continue from the previous reply, which took a little bit longer than anticipated…

    I found the St. Michan’s Catholic Church baptisms for three more children of John Boylan and Anne Vaughan at the National Library of Ireland website. These children are:

    James Boylan, 1859
    Christopher Boylan 1861
    Mary Ellen Boylan, 1865
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    JAMES BOYLAN

    The baptism record’s left-hand page for James shows he was born on 8 January 1859 and baptized in St. Michan’s on 17 January 1859. At the time of the baptism he and his parents were residing in 28 Charles Street.

    On the right-hand page of the register is the name of the priest who baptized James, but I couldn’t tell what his name was. Also on the right-hand page is the name of James’s godmother, Sarah Boylan, who may have been John’s sister. No godfather is recorded. James’s baptism is the 4th entry down from the top of the baptism register page at Number 2990, which you can access at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633591#page/192/mode/1up

    CHRISTOPHER BOYLAN

    Christopher was born on 15 December 1861 and baptized in St. Michan’s on 27 December 1861. At the time of the baptism he and his parents were living at 10 Greek Street. No godfather is recorded in the baptism record. Christopher’s godmother is Ellen Boylan.

    The baptism register entry for Christopher is the 5th entry down from the top of the baptism register page at Number 69. Go to: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633593#page/8/mode/1up

    MARY ELLEN BOYLAN

    Mary Ellen was born on 19 May 1865 and baptized in St. Michan’s on 29 May 1865. She and her family were living at 19 Greek Street at the time of the baptism.

    The right-hand page of the baptism register is too dark to read and so I could not read what the name of her godmother was. Mary Ellen’s baptism is Number 3098 in the register at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633593#page/144/mode/1up

    In 1864 the Irish government began to record births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations, and so I figured there would be a civil registration birth record for Mary Ellen.

    I found her birth record at the free irishgenealogy.ie website. Her first name however is not recorded in the birth record.

    Her birth record agrees with her baptism record in that she was born on 19 May 1865. The birth record further shows she was born in the “Lying In Hospital,” Britain Street, in Dublin. Her father is John Boylan, a labourer of 10 Greek Street. Her mother is Anne Boylan, formerly Vaughan. The person who was present at the birth and who reported the birth to the Registrar, was Thomas Talford of the Lying In Hospital, Britain Street. He was likely the head of the hospital.

    The Registrar, Gerald Osbrey, recorded the birth in the Dublin North Registration District on 20 May 1865. The birth record is Number 39 on the attached birth register.

    The Lying In Hospital in Dublin, now called The Rotunda Hospital, Parnell Street, Dublin, is the longest operating maternity hospital in the world, according to the curiousireland.ie website. It had been located in Parnell Street since 1757.

    For more information and a photo of the hospital, go to the curiousireland.ie website link at: https://curiousireland.ie/the-rotunda-hospital/

    Also see the Wikipedia article about the hospital at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotunda_Hospital

    A Google Map shows that the Rotunda Hospital, is 9/10ths of a mile east of Greek Street in Dublin, where the Boylan family were living in 1865 when Mary Ellen was born: https://tinyurl.com/295amj45

    DUBLIN LOCATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH JOHN AND ANNE BOYLAN

    When Christina Boylan was born in 1856 she and her family were living at 72 Pill Lane in Dublin. The Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation was completed for Pill Lane and surrounding area by the year 1854. You can search Griffiths Valuation at the Ask About Ireland website: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

    Griffiths Valuation shows that a Mrs. O’Connor of 72 Pill Lane took in lodgers. This would have been the lodging house where Christina Boylan was born in 1856. See the Griffiths Valuation attachment for Pill Lane. Mrs. O’Connor, at number 72 Pill Lane, is at the bottom of the page.

    Pill Lane was located where Chancery Street is today, according to an Irish Times article from the May 1, 1997 edition entitled, “Dublin As You Don’t Know It.” See the last paragraph of the article at: https://tinyurl.com/yckushvr

    You can view a Google Map of Chancery Street and North Anne Street near St. Michan’s Catholic Church at: https://tinyurl.com/2p94f5ye

    Just to the left of Chancery Street you’ll see Greek Street. The Boylan family were living at 10 Greek Street for the births of Christopher (1861), Patrick Joseph (1863); and Mary Ellen Boylan, (1865).

    For a Google Street View of Chancery Street, formerly Pill Lane, see: https://tinyurl.com/2p9ctkjc

    For a Google Street View of Greek Street, go to: https://tinyurl.com/2p82spde

    The baptism record for James Boylan shows he and his family were living at 28 Charles Street. I found a Charles Street West on a Google Map, just south of Chancery Street: https://tinyurl.com/2p8dfsf9

    Also see the Google Street View of Charles Street West at: https://tinyurl.com/nvsjensf

    ST. MICHAN’S CATHOLIC CHURCH

    St. Michan’s Catholic Church is located off Halston and Anne Streets in Dublin. It is also known as the “Halston Street Parish Church.” This church should not be confused with St. Michan’s Church of Ireland, just a third of a mile away, off Church Street, Arran Quay, north of the River Liffey. See the Google Map for the location of both churches: https://tinyurl.com/nrt8usxp

    As you know John Boylan and Anne Vaughan were married in St. Michan’s Catholic Church. Their children were also baptized there.

    The 1878 civil registration marriage record for Edward Hughes and Christina Boylan, attached to the last reply, shows that St. Michan’s was located in Anne Street, and that Edward and Christina were living at 5 North Anne Street at the time they married. But Anne Street was not the major entrance for the church. See the Wikipedia article for more information about the Anne Street and Halston Street entrances of the church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Michan%27s_Catholic_Church,_Dublin

    For a Google Map of St. Michan's Catholic Church at Halston Street and Anne Street North, go to: https://tinyurl.com/2p94f5ye

    For a Google Street View of St. Michan’s Catholic Church off North Anne Street, see: https://tinyurl.com/24nhumtz

    Edward Hughes and Christina Boylan would have entered St. Michan’s Church through one of the Anne Street doors, which you can see on a Google Street View at: https://tinyurl.com/3bmc9mss

    Also concerning Edward and Christina Boylan Hughes, I found them and their children in the 1901 census at the National Archives of Ireland website: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

    The census shows they were running a lodging house at 166 Church Street, District Electoral Division (DED) of Arran Quay, Parish of St. Michan’s, Dublin. Earlier I had mentioned that Church Street is the location of St. Michan’s Church of England.

    The 1901 census shows Edward was 54 years old. He could read. In addition to being a lodging house keeper, the census shows that Edward was born in County Kildare.

    Christina Hughes was 42 years old. She could read and write and was born in Dublin City.

    Edward and Christina have six children in the household with them, including 18 year old John, employed as a labourer; 16 year old Julia who was a seamstress; 13 year old Ellen; 9 year old Edward; 7 year old Christopher; and 2 year old Elizabeth. Ellen, Edward, and Christopher were scholars, that is students. The children were all born in Dublin City.

    There were also two domestic servants in the household. These are 40 year old Maria Hickey and 27 year old Mary Mulvey. All the residents of the household were Roman Catholic.

    The 1901 census for the Hughes household from the National Archives of Ireland website is attached to this reply

    This part of the census does not include the people who are staying in their lodging house at 166 Church Street.

    The 1901 Census Form A, attached to this reply, give the particulars of the location of the household of Edward Hughes in Dublin.

    By the 1911 census the Hughes family are still lodging house keepers at 166 Church Street in Dublin. “Christiana” Hughes however, is shown to be a 54 year old widow, who was born in Dublin City and who could read and write. In the household with her are three of her Dublin-born children and two grandchildren. Her children are 21 year old Edward who was a labourer with the GPO, that is, the General Post Office; 25 year old Julia; and 12 year old Lizzie.

    Christina’s grandchildren are 10 year old Christiana Leon and 5 year old Edward Leon, both born in Dublin. These children signify that one of the daughters of Edward and Christina Hughes had married a fellow with the last name of Leon.

    The 1911 census for the Hughes household, from the National Archives of Ireland, is attached to this reply.

    For a Google Map of Church Street, Dublin, see: https://tinyurl.com/mryxh3az

    For a Google Street View of Church Street Dublin go to: https://tinyurl.com/3dkj9vrd

    Dublin’s General Post Office, or GPO, where Edward Hughes was working in 1911, has a very interesting history. It was at the GPO that Irish Rebellion of 1916, also known as the Easter Rising, was started. Back in 1916 the GPO was located in Lower Sackville Street, which today is O’Connell Street, north of the River Liffey.

    Edward Hughes may still have been working at the GPO in 1916.

    For more information and a photo of the GPO, go to the tripsavvy.com article at:
    https://www.tripsavvy.com/dublin-general-post-office-1542288

    An Ordnance Survey Map of Dublin from the 1888 to 1913 time period is attached to this reply, showing the location of the GPO in Lower Sackville Street, Dublin North. The Ordnance Survey Map is from the GeoHive website: https://webapps.geohive.ie/mapviewer/index.html

    Going back to the irishgenealogy.ie website I found the death record for Edward Hughes. He died on 7 July 1905 at 166 Church Street. He was married and a 59 year old “Lodging house keeper” at the time of death. The cause of death was, “Fracture of skull & Haemorrhage caused by accidentally falling in Church Street on 6 July 1905.” The person who reported the death to the Registrar was Louis A. Byrne, coroner for the City of Dublin. The inquest concerning the death was held on 8 July 1905. The Assistant Registrar, M.S. Walsh, recorded the death in the Dublin North Registration District on 10 July 1905. Edward’s death is Number 123 in the attached death register.

    I then uncovered what may be the death record for Christina Hughes. She died on 8 July 1940 at 12 Hendrick Street at the age of 81 years. At the time of death she was the widow of a “labourer.” The cause of death was, “Cardiac failure 1 mth 23 days. Myocardial toxaemia. Senility.” The person who was present at the death and who reported Christina’s death to the Assistant Registrar was her son, “Christopher Hughes causing the body to be buried.” Christopher’s address was 12 Hendrick Street.

    The Assistant Registrar, whose last name appears to be Falvey, recorded the death in the Dublin North Registration District on 9 July 1940. Christina’s death record is attached to this reply, and is the last entry at Number 374.

    Christina’s son Christopher, who was the informant to report her death, may be the 7 year old Christopher Hughes in the 1901 census showing the family living at 166 Church Street.

    A Google Map shows that Church Street, by the shortest modern-day route, is a quarter of a mile from Hendrick Street in Dublin. See the map at: https://tinyurl.com/s449bx4t

    For a Google Street View of Hendrick Street, see: https://tinyurl.com/yckcfvtm

    JOHN AND ANNE VAUGHAN BOYLAN

    I looked for but did not find individual Dublin City baptism records that I could identify for John Boylan and Anne Vaughan at the irishgenealogy.ie website’s Church Records collection. Having been married in 1856, I suspect they were born sometime in the 1830s. They may not necessarily have been baptized in St. Michan’s Catholic Church.

    I next looked for their individual death records at the irishgenealogy.ie website.

    I couldn’t identify a death record for Anne, but did locate a death record which may pertain to her husband John. John Boylan died on 27 May 1893 in the “N D U” Workhouse. The initials N.D.U. stand for North Dublin Union, and so he died in the North Dublin Union Workhouse. His residence before going to the workhouse had been 164 Church Street. If you recall 166 Church Street is where his daughter Christina Hughes and her husband Edward had kept a lodging house. John would have been right next door to his daughter and son-in-law.

    John is shown to have been a 62 widower and a labourer when he died. The cause of death was, “Asthemia 12 hours in hospital. Syncope.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the Assistant Registrar was “Wm Brien. Inmate N D U Workhouse.” The Assistant Registrar, W.D. White, recorded John’s death in the North Dublin Registration District on 27 may 1893. The death record attached to this reply and is Number 190 in the register.

    For an Ordnance Survey Map showing the Dublin North Union Workhouse where John Boylan died, see the attachment.

    BRITISH RECORDS

    Your information shows that Patrick Boylan had a son named Grant Stanley Patrick who went to New Zealand in the 1920s.

    Because the first and last name Grant Boylan would not be common in England, I figured I wouldn’t have too much of a challenge looking for Grant and his parents in the 1901 and 1911 census enumerations for England, based on his unique first and last names.

    I accessed the 1901 and 1911 census for England at the subscription ancestry.com, website and located the Boylan family in both census records. First the 1901 census…

    The 1901 census shows the family of 37 year old Patrick Boylan and his 31 year old wife Annie and children were living in the town of Dunston Green, Civil Parish of Otford, and Civil Registration District of Sevenoaks, Kent.

    The census shows that Patrick was employed by the Army Ordnance Department and that he was born in Ireland. His wife Annie was born in Hornehurst, Essex.

    In the household with Patrick and Annie are four of their children. The children are 7 year old Ivy, born in Maidstone, Kent; 5 yar old Olive, born in Maidstone, Kent; 4 year old Grant, also born in Maidstone, Kent; and 7 month old Myrtle, born in Halstead, Kent.

    The 1901 census is attached to this reply.

    A Google Map shows that Dunston Green, Kent, is 26.8 miles southeast of London: https://tinyurl.com/2p869dk3

    For a Google Street View of Dunston Green, Kent, see: https://tinyurl.com/ytvpswpc

    The 1911 census for England shows that 47 year old Patrick Boylan, his 41 year old wife Annie Alice, and their four children are still living in Dunston Green, Kent. Patrick’s occupation is labourer for the Explosive Department of Her Majesty’s Gun Wharf in Chatham, also located in Kent. The census shows Patrick was born in Dublin, Ireland.

    The census line for Annie Alice shows she was born in Hornchurch, Essex, and that she and Patrick had been married for 18 years as of 1911. In that 18 years they had 4 children, with all 4 children still living. The 4 children are in the household with them. They are 17 year old Ivie Renee, a music teacher born in Maidstone; 15 year old Olive Gladys, a milliner’s apprentice, born in Maidstone; 14 year old Grant Stanley, who was in school and who was born in Maidstone; and 10 year old Myrtle Vera, also in school. She was born in Halstead, Kent.

    The 1911 census is attached to this reply.

    The 1911 census shows that Patrick Boylan worked in Chatham. A Google Map shows that Chatham is east of Dunston Green, just south of Rochester, and near the Medway Estuary and Marshes: https://tinyurl.com/55kf5kdk

    For a Google Street View of Chatham, Kent, see: https://tinyurl.com/2p8urpcm

    Based on the information from the 1901 and 1911 England census enumerations, I found the marriage index for Patrick Boylan and Annie Alice Smith, as well as the birth indexes for their four children.

    The indexes are from the FreeBMD website which you can access at: https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

    The index for Patrick Boylan and Annie Alice smith shows their marriage was recorded in the Maidstone Registration District for the March quarter of 1893. I’ve transcribed the index from FreeBMD below:

    Marriage March Quarter 1893

    Patrick Boylan
    Annie Alice Smith
    Registration District: Maidstone
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 890
    ____

    Next are the four birth indexes for the Boylan children transcribed from the FreeBMD website:

    Birth March Quarter 1894

    Ivie Rénee Boylan
    Registration District: Maidstone
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 741
    ____

    Birth September Quarter 1895

    Olive Gladys Boylan
    Registration District: Maidstone
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 752
    ____

    Birth March Quarter 1897

    Grant Stanley P Boylan
    Registration District: Maidstone
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 784
    ____

    Birth September Quarter 1900
    Myrtle Vera Boylan
    Registration District: Sevenoaks
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 738
    ____

    Based on your information you posted to the Ireland Reaching Out message boards, I also found what I believe is the death index for Patrick Boylan. His death was recorded in the Medway Registration District in the September quarter of 1919. At the time of death he was 55 years old. See the transcription of the death index below:

    Death September Quarter 1919
    Patrick Boylan
    Age: 55
    Registration District: Medway
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 622
    ____

    A FreeBMD index also shows that the marriage of Grant S P Boylan and Ethel M Pora was recorded in the Medway Registration District in the September quarter of 1924. See a transcription of the marriage index below:

    Marriage September quarter 1924

    Grant S P Boylan
    Ethel M Pora
    Registration District: Medway
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 2013
    ____

    I had never come across the surname “Pora” before and looked for the name in birth, marriage and death indexes at FreeBMD, but didn’t find it. FreeBMD has birth, marriage, and death indexes available online from the September quarter of 1837, to well into the 20th century.

    I then accessed a copy of the original 1924 marriage index page for the September quarter of 1924, to see if the name Pora was written in error. But I found that it wasn’t. The original marriage index page is attached to this reply.

    If you do not have a copy of the 1893 marriage record for Patrick and Annie Alice, or the full birth records for their children, or Patrick’s death record, or Grant Boylan’s marriage record, I can send you information on how to obtain these records, as well as costs of the records from the General Register Office (GRO) in the UK.

    The next search uncovered Grant and Ethel Boylan in a collection from ancestry.com entitled, “UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960.”

    This record shows that 28 year old Grant and 29 year old Ethel Boylan, as well as three children, 9 year old Daniel, 7 year old Robt (Robert), and 6 year old Frederick, left England on 16 July 1925 from a port that appears to be Southampton. They left on board the ship Hororata belonging to the New Zealand Shipping Company, Limited. Their destination was Wellington, New Zealand.

    Below is the index for the outbound record of the ship Hororata. The index only gives Grant Boylan’s name:

    Name: Grant Boylan
    Gender: Male
    Departure Age: 28
    Birth Date: abt 1897
    Departure Date: 16 Jul 1925
    Departure Port: England
    Ship Name: Hororata
    Shipping Line: The New Zealand Shipping Company, Limited
    Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand
    Master: E Hollard

    Source Citation
    The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; BT27 Board of Trade: Commercial and Statistical Department and Successors: Outwards Passenger Lists; Reference Number: Series BT27-132757
    ____

    A copy of the original Hororata manifest is attached to this reply. The manifest shows the last address for Grant, Ethel, and the three children was 27 Prospect Terrace, Chatham. The manifest also shows that Grant’s occupation was labourer.

    Grant and Ethel were married in 1924, the year before they sailed to New Zealand. I don’t know if the three children with them are Ethel’s from a previous marriage, but their ages show they were born prior to 1924, when Grant and Ethel married. I couldn’t find their birth indexes at FreeBMD under the surname Pora.

    Was she actually Ethel May Shepherd, and were Daniel, Robert, and Frederick born in New Zealand, rather than in the UK?

    CONNCLUSION

    You may already have much of the information I found. If so you can now compare records and see how many of those records match the ones that you see in this reply.

    Don’t hesitate to write with any questions or comments eevee. You have a very interesting family history.

    All the Best,

    Dave Boylan

    P.S. The surname Boylan in the Irish language is spelled, “Ó Baoighealláin,” and is pronounced O-bwee-hellon. My Boylans are from County Cavan.

    To see the Boylan family crest, go to: https://tinyurl.com/2p85jzh8

    SOURCES

    National Librray of Ireland
    irishgenealogy.ie
    https://curiousireland.ie/the-rotunda-hospital/
    Wikipedia
    Google Maps
    Google Street Views
    Griffiths Valuation
    Ask About Ireland
    May 1, 1997 Irish Times newspaper article, "Dublin As You Don't Know It."
    National Archives of Ireland 1901 and 1911 census enumerations
    tripsavvy.com
    GeoHive Ordnance Survey Maps
    ancestry.com 1901 and 1911 English census returns
    FreeBMD
    ancestry.com: “UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960.”

    davepat

    Tuesday 30th November 2021, 04:11AM

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  • Thankyou dave. I appreciate the time you have taken to provide this for me.

    The nz info is interesting i agree
    Fred was born in 1922 in nz and was brought up with grant and ethel and their later children.
    The elder two went to live with the Pora family. Pora is maori famiky name that traslates to Paul.
    Even more intetedting is that 1st husband also followed ethel to england assume he wanted is kids.
    They didnt divorce until after grant and ethel married.

    Unsure why the childrens ages were wrong on ship list. It would have been clear when they reached the boat.

    I dont beleive Fred knew he went to England.
    We have meet the sheperd family while in england on OE and my dad also meet them on his OE and found out information about his mother and other family. But in those days it wasnt chatted about it

    I really appreciate the irish info.i have never meet any of the Boylan family from england or ireland as Grant died so young.

    I have certificates and records for english boylans.

    I will a review all the information you have added..
    thanks again

    eevee

    Tuesday 30th November 2021, 09:31AM
  • You're welcome eevee. Best of Luck.

    Dave

    davepat

    Tuesday 30th November 2021, 10:50AM
  •     Hi eevee,   I think I found the hard bit in your genealogy search, . John was born about 1830 and is buried in Glasnevin cemetery, there is one other previous internment which is more than likely Anne.  When you look for the birth of John its a different story as there is a glut of John Boylans born at the same time. Im no longer sure that John had siblings,as none of the names mentioned as possible match ups with a Johns possible parents. Anne Vaughans should be easy enough. Keep an eye out as you work out your details for some place or person that connects to Johns past.  Best Myles.......         

    Dave ,  wow,  What can I say, you take searching to a different level.       Myles

    searcher

    Wednesday 1st December 2021, 07:44PM
  • Thanks Myles agree Dave has provided awsome research. Thanks for kickstart.

    I have lots to go over during the christmas break.

    eevee

    Thursday 2nd December 2021, 06:27PM
  • Myles and eevee, your kind words are very much appreciated.

    Best of Luck,

    Dave

    davepat

    Thursday 2nd December 2021, 07:06PM