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My Great Grandmother was Catherine Redmond she was under age when she married Samuel Whitehead in Feb. 1849 at St. Peters Dublin. Her father was John Redmond a Thatcher.

The marriage was witnessed by Mary Nolan and William Gordon. I believe Mary Nolan may have married William Jameson in 1852 because the signatures are very similar but I do not know of any other connection.

By 1858 Catherine was in England  for the Bapt. of her 1st known child, several followed including my grandfather.

1861 Catherine and her children are not shown on the census as I am told the census was destroyed by water.

Catherine was dead by 1871 but I am unable to find her Death or Burial although I am following a lead at the moment.

If anyone can help me trace my Great Grandmother and her forebears I would be very pleased.

This has been a ten year search with two visits to Dublin but I have not been able to find a baptism. It is quite possible Catherine was born elsewhere. I feel confident she is Irish and would dearly love to find more.

jennifer wright

Thursday 7th June 2012, 12:25PM

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  • Hi there,

    First of all, what religion were they? Did Catherine marry in St. Peter's parish or church? Have you already checked church/civil registration records for this marriage?

    St. Peter's civil parish looks like it may be in one or two Catholic parishes. I think perhaps Haddington Road, Donnybrook, possibly Rathmines and Booterstown. It depends on which church. I can give you the details for all parishes.

    There are Roman Catholic church records available for Donnybrook. These date from 1871 for baptismal records and 1877 for marriage records. You can find these at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 9309.

    Haddington Road. These date from 1849 for both baptismal and marriage records. You can find these at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 9214. See also Pos. 9215 for miscellaneous indexes.

    Rathmines. These date from 1823 for both baptismal and marriage records. You can find these at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 9200 (bapt. to 1886, marr. to 1881 Pos. 9201).

    Booterstown. These date from 1755 for both baptismal and marriage records. You can find these at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 9084 (b); 9085 (m).

    If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for more assistance.

    You mentioned a census, which census are you talking about? Where did Catherine die? In Ireland or England?

    You should check a few other documents for possible information:

    Civil registration records are available from the General Register Office (GRO). These start from 1864 however. You can access the website here: http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm

    You could also try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64). Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com or here: www.failteromhat.com Failte Romhat has lots of other useful links you could try looking at. Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38). Microfilm copies of the books for all of Ireland are available at the National Archives of Ireland (NAI) http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/tithe-applotment-books-and-the-primary-griffith-valuation/ or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS).

    You should consult the Uk National Archives for anything connected to their lives in England: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

    This might be of interest:

    St. Peter's Parochial Male & Femaile Boarding Schools, Sunday, Daily & Infant Schools: Reports 1850-60, National Library of Ireland, p. 439.

    Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

    Kind regards,

    Sinead Cooney

    Genealogist (Ireland XO)

     

     

     

     

     

    Friday 15th June 2012, 02:12PM
  • Hi Sinead

    Thank you very much for your reply.

    As far as I am aware Catherine was Protestant. I say this because she was married in "The Parish Church in the Parish of St. Peters, City of Dublin (that is all the Certificate shows) and all the childrens baptism's found in England were Protestant,

    I bought a copy of the marriage Certificate in 2003 from General Register Office Dublin. From this I assumed the Church was St. Peters. The certificate is now online under Irish genealogy site as St. Peter.

    I visited Dublin twice a few years ago and went to the record office and was given advice but I found nothing to connect with Catherine. I also went to the National Library where again I received help but was not able to connect with any baptism for Catherine or find any other siblings or marriages.

    Catherine was in England by 1858 as their 1st known child was born then and other children followed until 1867.

    In 1861 Catherine , although in England is not to be found on the Woolwich census. I was informed by the Woolwich record office (after searching myself and two enquiries) that the 1861 census for this area was destroyed by water. By 1871 Samuel is a widower and is no longer in the army.

    I have not been able to find a death between 1867 and 1871 in England for Catherine but about a year ago I managed to find Samuels attestation papers and I have reason to believe he may have been in the Channel Isles so I am visiting later this year.

    Some years ago I went to National Archives Kew and after 2 days finally found Samuels regiment ( I had a list of all regiments in Ireland at  the time of the marriage and searched each regiment) so I know shortly after they married he went to Quebec. This was born out by the Attestation papers and he was there for eight years. I do not know if Catherine was with him, but as I have no evidence of any older children I think it likely she was elsewhere. I have also read that the wives drew straws as only a few were allowed to go with the regiment.

    The only information I have for Catherine is;  She was a minor in 1849 and was unable to sign her name, she had  six children, was dead by 1871 and her father was a John Redmond who was a thatcher.

    I would very much like to know what part of Ireland she and her family came from.

    I will certainly explore the other avenues you have mentioned and hope that one day I will connect with my Great Grandmothers family.

    I will also inform anyone else with Irish heritage of your site.

    Many thanks again for you time

    Kind regards

    Jenny Wright

    jennifer wright

    Saturday 16th June 2012, 12:04PM
  • Hi Jenny,

    Church of Ireland parish registers for the period up to 1870 are public records. Registers are available for about one third of the parishes, however many were destroyed in the Public Records Office in Dublin in 1922. Most are still held by the local clergy, although some are in the National Archives of Ireland and others are in the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. A list of all surviving registers is available in the National Archives. http://ireland.anglican.org/about/42 and http://www.nationalarchives.ie/.

    It seems that you have already carried out a huge amount of information researched about your ancestors. What a fascinating story. I cannot carry out personal research, but perhaps someone in the local community will recognise some names and help you out further.

    If there is anything else I can do, please feel free to contact us again.

    Kind regards,

    Sinead

    Thursday 12th July 2012, 02:36PM