My direct ancestors Richard Savage (b.abt.1800, d.1877) and Ellenor or Ellen Savage (nee Thompson) had a farm in Lisboy, Fermanagh. They had 11 children, 10 of whom emigrated to Australia from around 1865. Only one son, Andrew, remained behind. Andrew married twice but had no children, hence there appears to be no members of this family surviving in Ireland today.
Information found on this site relating to this family include "Griffiths Valuation for 1862 lists a Richard Savage in Lisboy. He was on plot 8a which was a farmhouse, outbuildings and 34 acres. .... The tenant changes to Andrew Savage in 1877, probably indicating Richard had died. (There’s a death registered in Lisnaskea that fits for 1877, est. year of birth 1800). Andrew purchased the freehold of the Lisboy farm in 1890 and it remained in his name till John Noble purchased it in 1919. The farm today is on the Ashbrooke Rd, a few miles east of Tempo."
We have sighted a register of death for an Ellen Salvage noting date of death as 20 June 1875 at Colrakelly, District Bookboro, Union of Lisnaskea. Witness to the death was Eliza Montgomery. Ellen was aged 59 at time of death. There is also an obituary noting the death of an Ellen Savage on the same date.
We have also sighted a registration of the death of a Richard Savage on 21 Jan 1877, aged 77 years at Lisboy. same District etc. He was noted as Widower & Farmer. Informant was Andrew Savage (which we know was his son so we can be sure this is our Richard Savage). An obituary states he was buried at Tempo.
They were of the Methodist religion.
Can anyone help us find the gravesites for these two, and any other information to confirm that the death record for Ellen was, in fact, our Ellen/Ellenor. She was 16 years younger that her husband. Was that the norm in those days?
Louise
Wednesday 1st Dec 2021, 03:34AMMessage Board Replies
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Lisboy & Coolrakelly share a common border, so the 1875 death was only a few hundred yards from the Savage farm in Lisboy. So I’d say it’s as likely as not that it is the right lady. Salvage will just be Savage mis-spelled.
Regarding ages, yes people did often marry someone significantly younger. Notably farmers who often married later in life. Could also be a second marriage for him too. That might be another factor. Bear in mind that no documentary proof of age was required. The information on death certificates was generally just the informant’s best guess. People generally didn’t celebrate birthdays in Ireland in the 1800s and often had no real idea of their age. It was common for the age given for someone in their 70s or 80s to be out by anything up to 10 years.
This might be the Eliza Montgomery who was the informant for Ellen’s death:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Cross/Tullyweel/1356429/
If the family were buried in Tempo and were Methodist, I’d try Tempo Church of Ireland. Few Methodist halls had graveyards and they tended to use the Church of Ireland. (They had all been COI originally anyway, plus COI graveyards were open to all denominations).
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Wednesday 1st Dec 2021, 10:30AM -
Thank you so much Elwyn, much appreciated. I will follow up on the Church of Ireland in Tempo.
Louise
Wednesday 1st Dec 2021, 10:41PM -
Hi,
I am also trying to locate gravesite for Richard and Ellenor Savage and am wondering if this one at Lisbellaw Church of Ireland could be possible 72_savage.jpg (igp-web.com)
Any ideas on how to find further info for this gravesite would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Lesley.
Lesley
Tuesday 29th Mar 2022, 10:06AM -
Lesley,
You could write to the current Rector/Vicar and ask if anyone has burial information on the plots in the graveyard.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Wednesday 30th Mar 2022, 02:47PM -
Thankyou Elwyn.
Lesley
Thursday 31st Mar 2022, 11:08AM -
Louise
Hi, i am also a direct descendant of Richard Savage. Only new to researching so not sure if records exist, but I would be interested to know if he had any siblings, or his wife Ellen? Did you have any luck with the church records? It seems sad that all but one child emmigrated. Hoping he had some family there!
Pam
Monday 25th Jul 2022, 02:33AM -
Hi Pam
Sorry for late reply, just noticed your message from March 2022.
We know nothing of any siblings of Richard Savage or his wife Ellen. I have to confess I never wrote to the vicar, hopefully I will get around to it one day.
If you are descended from any of the children who emigrated to Australia, there is a family Facebook page for the Savages of Murphy's Creek, Old, which is where all the siblings initially settled. It's called Murphy's Creek Savage Family from Lisboy. They recently had a reunion in Murphy's Creek and they have tons of information, including an impressive family tree of all known descendants. You should join if you haven't already!
Louise
Friday 14th Oct 2022, 06:55AM -
Hello Louise. I was emailed a photo which could be Richard Savage. Could you send me a message?rossmcdowell96@gmail.comThursday 8th Dec 2022, 10:02AM