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Hallo.  I'm the new boy - just joined today. 

My interest is in my LALLY family.  My gr.gr.grandfather, Patrick James Lally, was born in Loughrea on 13th November 1818.  His parents were James Lally and Annie Brett, presumably born about 1790.  None of these ancestors appear in census, bmd or directory information.  If you have LALLY ancestors from Loughrea about this time please get in touch.

Thanks

Stephen Lally

Ireland Reaching Out

Tuesday 18th October 2011, 01:31PM

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  • Stephen, there is a John Lally, buried in The Abbey Cemetery, Loughrea in 1832. 

    There are more Lally's, but their deaths are listed about 1911, 1920, and 1921 and possibly later.

    Also check the Clofert Diocese lists.  I found a microfilm from the LDS, and rented it for several weeks.  It has all the BMD records since about 1810 or so for the Loughrea Catholic church.  Film #1279216 and #1279217.  The title is "Parochial registers of Loughrea (Galway), 1810-1901".

    Mary Van Dyke

     

    Ireland Reaching Out

    Tuesday 18th October 2011, 01:32PM
  • Mary

    Many thanks for your useful comment.  I'm following this up at my local LDS Family History Centre but they're hardly ever open.  I will go and view these films in the hope that they'll give names of witnesses etc other than just the names of brides, grooms and babies.

    Best regards

    Stephen Lally

     

    Ireland Reaching Out

    Tuesday 18th October 2011, 01:40PM
  • Hello Steven.

    Yes, witnesses, as well as, Godparents are listed.  It's literally films of the original church record books, so you have to get used to the priests' handwriting also.

    Most everything was written in latin, except for the people's last names, which I've always noticed was the actual spelling of the last names.  Most first names are the Latin equivalent.

    Sometimes I got lucky, and there would be notes in the margins, like for baptisms, a note would be written in many years later stating that person got married to "so and so" on "such and such" date.

    I have about 300 copies of the pages of those films, and can email you several samples if you'd like, so you'd know how the books are shown.

    You can email me at MNAJPA@aol.com

    Thank you,

    Mary

     

    Ireland Reaching Out

    Tuesday 18th October 2011, 01:40PM
  • In Clontuskert ( 12 miles n.e. of loughrea) graveyard there is a headstone in memory of Patrick Lally

    who died 1st apr. 1876 and hi is wife Catherine Raftery, died July 12th 1883

    Any connection?

    Teresa

     

    Ireland Reaching Out

    Tuesday 18th October 2011, 01:41PM
  • Teresa.   Many thanks for your interest and this info.  I don't know if there's any family connection here.  He's not 'my' Patrick who died in London.  I'm gathering info on all the Lallys I can find to see if I can spot some family link but no joy so far.  One day!

    Thanks

    Stephen

     

    Ireland Reaching Out

    Tuesday 18th October 2011, 01:41PM
  • Hi Stephen,

     

    To really get you thinking there were and still are Lallys and Bretts in the parish of Kiltullagh/Killimordaly about 10 miles from Loughrea...

    On the Kiltullagh Killimordaly 1821 Census for the townland of Lisnaherrick (Knockatogher) there was

     

    Lally

    James                 48 Farmer/Labourer

    Anne Wife            46

    James Son         18 Labourer

    Wm      Son          22 Jusane?

    Pat       Son             4

    Sally  Daughter     15 Flax Spinner

    Charly Grandson    5

    Sally     Mother        86

     

    Pat there may be your Patrick??? Just something to think about...

    {Sally Lally buried here in 1833. Ann Lally death/burial 24/05/1832 age nor recorded...there is also an old grave of Dines Lally death/buried 00/00/1772 aged 56 in Kiltullagh Graveyard errected by his son Michael and a Thomas Lally Death/Buried 04/12/1861 aged 61 errected by his wife cecilla Lally}

    4 generation of Brett family here in Kiltullagh but only seem to have come in mid 1800's ( seem to have come from Cahernalee, Bullaun, Loughrea). there is one Brett on the 1821 Census of Kiltullagh/Killimordaly that was a Mary Brett, 16 a house servant at Carroroe House, Kiltullagh.

    All the very best

    Michelle @ Kiltullagh/Killimordaly IRO

     

    kiltullaghkillimordaly

    Wednesday 30th November 2011, 11:43AM
  • Hi Stephen,

    If you weren't able to get the baptismal films I happen to have them right now. I am going to the FHS on Saturday and would be happy to see if I can find Patrick James Lally. I will say, I had my first look on Tuesday and they are VERY hard to read (light, small handwriting). Because you have a month of birth it shouldn't be too hard. Just let me know!

    Alison

    akissling

    Friday 13th April 2012, 01:23AM
  • Michelle

    I'm sure IRO never told me about your post as I'm usually very conscientious about replying.  The information you gave me last November could well be an extremely important link in my tree.  And I've spent the last year researching, visiting Loughrea, Woodford and Galway archives etc and I'm just finishing my Ireland family history which may now need to be changed.

    So be it.  Let me first give a likely link to the family you show.  Freeman's Journal of 19th July 1821 reported a murderer, William Lally, who hacked his grandmother to pieces.  His grandmother and his sister were both Sally.  The ages of William and Sally jnr match.   It happened in Knockatogher.  I think there's a 95% chance that this is the family you found for me in the 1821 census.  You can't read the occupation of William and record it as "Jusane?"  I think the word is "Insane".  

    In my searches I've found several individual James, Patrick and Anne Lallys but have never been able to link them to each other and I don't reckon there's more than a 20% chance that they are my family.  But this family you've found I would possibly put as high as 75% certainty that they are my family.  This is because there is a Patrick Lally (age 2 1/2 but in the census as 4), with parents James and Anne and within my search area round Loughrea and with Bretts in the locality.  What is the % chance of there being more than one Lally family within 10 miles of Loughrea of James and Anne with son Patrick born at about the right time?

    So this may be the eurika moment but I'm keeping calm.  Because I could find no BMD or census info on my family I've gone on to describe the life and times around Loughrea 1800 - 1850.  I've included two Lally girls from Loughrea workhouse ("Ripley's" ancestors) and another Lally family that emigrated to US from Loughrea.  My work is just about finished at 35,000 words.  Is it time for a re-write?

    Many thanks for your information. 

    Sorry about the late reply  -  and sorry I've not found Count Lally but maybe a murderer !!

    Stephen Lally

     

    stephen

    Sunday 12th August 2012, 01:42PM
  • Alison

    I'm sorry I've not replied earlier to your post.

    I've spent many a happy hour squinting at the microfilms at the Mormon church near here.  They are incredibly difficult to read.  My film was copied in the 1980s so probably the technology wasn't as good then.  I couldn't find Patrick James Lally or any other related Lallys in births, marriages or deaths.  I found the marriage of Patrick Lally and Bridget Farrell on 20th March 1817 and they are the ancestors of a lady I'm in touch with in USA.  I reckon that in a small town like Loughrea with only a few Lally families and with people moving about very little, the Lallys of Loughrea area were all probably related in some way.  But can't prove it.

    See my reply above which may be exciting for me.

    Many thanks for your interest and your help.

    Best wishes

    Stephen

    stephen

    Sunday 12th August 2012, 01:53PM
  • I am glad that you were able to get a hold of the records. I agree that they were very hard one to read!  I can also report that I have the Killimore parish records from the 1830's right now and it seems that some of the Dignan's were sponsors of several nieces and nephews and may have even lived there. I also noted several Lally families are in the various lists as well. I will see if I can find some names and dates and post them in the next week. Congratulations on your great news!

    Alison

    akissling

    Monday 13th August 2012, 10:15PM
  • Hi Stephen,

    I am glad that you were able to get a hold of the records. I agree that they were very hard one to read!  I can also report that I have the Killimore parish records from the 1830's right now and it seems that some of the Dignan's were sponsors of several nieces and nephews and may have even lived there. I also noted several Lally families are in the various lists as well. I will see if I can find some names and dates and post them in the next week. Congratulations on your great news!

    Alison

    akissling

    Monday 13th August 2012, 10:16PM
  • Well, well, well Stephen that truely is some story. Can't imagine how that would have affected the Lally Family at the time, not to mention the other neighbours around. Yes, I think it's a fair assumption to say that William was indeed Insane. It not really suprising then that Patrick would have headed off to London, in search of work and possiblity to excape all this.

    Lally's Cannon and Coens are all names I have heard of even today in the Attmyon area of the Parish of Kiltullagh Killimordaly (it would be the Killimordaly side of the parish).

     

    Is this your family on the 1861 census in London? Naming the eldest James William after his brothers and father would be common

     

    Name:Patrick LallyAge:42Estimated Birth Year:abt 1819Relation:HeadSpouse's Name:Elizabeth LallyGender:MaleWhere born:Galway, Ireland  Civil parish:Kensington St Mary AbbottEcclesiastical parish:St Mary AbbottTown:KensingtonCounty/Island:MiddlesexCountry:England

    Patrick Lally     42
    Elizabeth Lally     40
    Jas Wm Lally     12
    George Thos Lally     10
    John Lally     9
    Joseph I Lally     7
    Sarah A Lally     6
    Mary L Lally     5
    Eliza A Lally     2
    Agatha M Lally     1

    ======================================

    Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837

    Name:     James Lally
    County:     Galway
    Parish:     Killimordaly
    Townland:     Allymon
    Year:     1837

    Name:     James Lally
    County:     Galway
    Parish:     Killimordaly
    Townland:     Allymon
    Year:     1847

    [Note: Allymon=Attymon]

    Tithe Apploments

    Killimordaly Civil Parish
    ca 1821-1826

    Surname First          Townland
    Lally     James         Attymon
    Lally     Lacky         Attymon
    Lally     widow         Attymon

     

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    Stephen, I'm including here all Lally surnames mentioned on the 1821 Census of Kiltullagh Killimordaly...it may/maynot help1821 Census Kiltullagh

    Carnalea    
    --------
    Kelly    Daniel        22    Servent                
            Mary    Wife    23                    
            Tom    Brother    15                    
    Lally    Honora     M-in-law    

    Carraroe    
    --------
    Little    Robert        50    Farmer, gardener    18            
            Thomas    Son    21                    
            William    Son    19                    
            Michael    Son    16                    
            Robert    Son    14                    
            ElizbethDaughter    12                    
            Anne    Daughter    10                    
            Mary    Daughter    8                    
    Lally    Elizbeth    Niece    22                    
    Brett    Mary    House-servant    16    

    Lisnaherrick (Knockatogher)
    ----------------------------
    Lally    Mary                60                    
    Ward    Hanora    Daughter    20    Flax spinner

    -------
    Green    John                37    Herd, labourer                
            Hanora    Wife        30                    
            CathrineDaughter    14                    
            Anne    Daughter    8                    
            Michael    Son            5                    
            William    Son            2                    
    Lally    Bryan    Brother-in-law    40    Labourer

    -------

    Mitchell    Michael        40    Farmer, labourer                
                John    Son    4                    
                Mary    Daughter    2                    
                James    Brother    36    Labourer                
    Lally        Kitty    Niece    10                    
    Brien         Hanora        60    Pauper

    Poulatullane
    ------------
    Coghlan    Peter        37    Farmer, miller    13            
            Frances    Wife    30                    
            Michael    Son    5                    
            John    Son    2                    
            Mary    Daughter    10                    
            Peter    Step-son    13                    
            James    Step-son    10     Apprentice                
            Mary    Sister    35                    
    Lally    Michael        25    Labourer                
    Geoghegan    Peggy        29    House-servant

    Cregville    
    ---------
    Lally    Pat        48    Cooper, labourer                
            Bridget    Wife    40                    
            Denis    Son    15    Apprentice                
            Pat    Son    11                    
            Jane    Daughter    18    Flax spinner                
            Eleanor    Daughter    5

    I'm on email at kiltullaghkillimordaly@gmail.com if by chance I don't catch up on post here.

    All the very best with the "new" search

    Michelle

      

    kiltullaghkillimordaly

    Tuesday 21st August 2012, 05:52PM
  • Alison

    Many thanks for your interest and for looking for Lallys in the records you have.  Any information you can find on Lallys will be appreciated.

    Best wishes

    Stephen

    stephen

    Thursday 30th August 2012, 05:20PM