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My Grandparents lived in Portumna; Grandmother, Margaret Quinn (b 1900) but my Grandfather Birchmans John Murphy (b 1908). I have used several sources to try and find any information without success. I believe they actually left for New York where they married before returning to Ireland then leaving for London.

I believe my Grandfather may have been born in Athy.

I would like to add any relatives to my family tree. I hope you can help

Alan Spiers

Alan

Saturday 8th Jul 2023, 08:43AM

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  • Hi,  Birchmans birth
    1659829.pdf (irishgenealogy.ie)

    There are two Margaret Quinn born in Portumna in 1900, do you know her fathers name? 

    This is the marriage
    John Murphy, "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1938" • FamilySearch

    from this record the mother was Jones.
    The birth record for Margaret Quinn
    1760068.pdf (irishgenealogy.ie)

    two Census records attached.

    Do you have any of the ship records?
    There is one for Berchmans, it's from a paid site, if you would like it I have saved it, please let me know.

    Margot

    Margot

    Saturday 8th Jul 2023, 10:46AM
  • Attached Files
    Michael Murphy.pdf (162.33 KB)
    Kate Murphy.pdf (143.46 KB)
    Thomas Quinn.pdf (149.41 KB)
    Patrick Quinn.pdf (181.74 KB)
    William Quinn.pdf (135.37 KB)
    James Quinn.pdf (114.71 KB)
    Mary Quinn.pdf (154.53 KB)
    Michael Quinn.pdf (262.87 KB)

    Alan,

    Here are some siblings to add to your tree:

     

    Carolyn

    Saturday 8th Jul 2023, 09:32PM
  • To Margot and Carolyn,

    Firstly thankyou so much for the very quick reply and the information. A little I knew but most was new to me and has helped a great deal with my Mother's family (tree). I know my Mother was actually born in New York before being sent back to Ireland, are there such things as 'return'records?

    On my Grandfather's side, I remember vising Ireland in the 1960's with my Grandparents and meeting and Aunt Kay and also staying with an Uncle Joe, do people often change,shorten or use second names? How common would it have been from someone from Athy to meet someone from Portumna? I realise I am asking a lot of questions, but this is the first time I have got some good information, so I thank you again. Oh and yes please to the shipping details Margot. My thanks again.

    Alan

    Sunday 9th Jul 2023, 07:49AM
  • Hi Alan
    you ask.....
    I know my Mother was actually born in New York before being sent back to Ireland, are there such things as 'return'records?
    No, you have to search.  In Ancestry you can get a hint......which helps. 

    do people often change, shorten or use second names?
    Oh Yes they do all the time......Confirmation names, nicknames or abbreviated  are common as well. 
    My cousin is Emby.    Her name in Mary Bridget   MB  =  Emby

    How common would it have been from someone from Athy to meet someone from Portumna? 
    Looks like they met in the USA. But yes it is quite common.

    please email me, can you put Quinn/Murphy Portumna in the subject box so I will know who you are, thanks
    marg2ade@yahoo.co.uk

     

    Margot

    Sunday 9th Jul 2023, 09:52AM
  • Alan,

    I can search Ancestry for their immigration records back to Ireland if you don't have an account. What was your mother's first name/year of birth? Do you know the approximate year they returned to Ireland? Were there other siblings in the family?

    Regards,

    Carolyn

    Monday 10th Jul 2023, 02:45PM
  • Hi Carolyn,  Alan replied to my email.
    I have sent him all the records of going to the USA and many more from Ireland.
    He is away for a few days. 
    I may need you to help Alan, as I m leaving Ancestry at the end of the month.
    I did explain that you can get records from familysearch in Ireland up to 1958 and the UK 1999.
    Thanks Carolyn
    Margot

    Margot

    Tuesday 11th Jul 2023, 07:56AM
  • Good afternoon Margot and Carolyn.

    Once again many thanks for your help and information, it has been really good to put a tree together.

    Carolyn, many thanks for your offer regarding my Mother's return. Her name is Mary Margaret (Maura), born 26 October 1933. I have no idea of date of return other than it was quite early on and she may not have returned with her parents. She was an only child, but I believe other members of the Quinn family also went to the US.

    I am aware that Catherine (Kate) Murphy had three children, how could I find out about them?

    As ever, I will be grateful for any information and help.

    Kind regards

    Alan

    Alan

    Friday 14th Jul 2023, 01:05PM
  • Alan,

    I looked for the return records, but did not find anything. The surname Murphy is the most popular name in Ireland, and names like John, Mary and Catherine are common too.  Looked for a marriage record for Catherine (Kate) Murphy in Athy, Kildare where she was from, but found nothing, so could not locate her children either. Traditionally, the couple married in the bride's parish, but she could have married elsewhere during those years. I did not locate any marriage record for Michael Murphy either. If you haven't used the free site irishgenealogy.ie, you can search further under the civil tab for your family if you get more clues about them in the future.

    Regards,

     

    Carolyn

    Friday 14th Jul 2023, 11:37PM
  • Hi Carolyn

    Once again, thank you for your time with my questions.

    Can you tell me, where can I research 'returning' records and also people leaving Ireland?

    I find it interesting that people can just 'disappear', but it seems the case and I agree with your comments about the surnames I am looking for, needles and haystacks come to mind!

    Thank you again Alan

    Alan

    Saturday 15th Jul 2023, 03:41PM
  • Alan,

    You can search arrival & departure to and from the US if you have an Ancestry account. You can also do free searches of  arrival records on the Ellis Island site statueofliberty.org as well as the site dunbrody.com. 

    Good luck!

    Carolyn

    Saturday 15th Jul 2023, 08:47PM
  • Thank you for that information Carolyn and once again thanks to you both for your time....

    Alan

    Alan

    Monday 17th Jul 2023, 06:48AM

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