Butler/Jackson family

Dear  PBLN

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Have you looked to see what details are listed on the Co. Kilkenny marriage of John and Julia for 1824? Their fathers? names should be listed there. You may then be lucky and be able to find John?s baptism record and can also search for any siblings he may have had.  You can use www.familysearch.org or www.rootsireland.ie

Let us know if you find anything more

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

The rootsireland site gave me a marriage date but parents are not recorded.  The witness were named Thomas Butler and a Judith Kelly.  Of course I have no idea who this Thomas Butler is!

Morning

You may find that given the early period of the search and the poor volume of records, it will be necessary to undergo an information gathering exercise, like the above, in the hope that at some point in the future additional records become available. Have you had a look at Ancestry.com for any possible connections via their member family trees?

Best wishes
Clare Doyle
Genealogy Support

I am a little non plussed,I have a g.g.grandparent by the name of Julia Jackson who married Edward Crennan and had at least 3 children Mary,Michael and John. All the records I have so far indicate Julia's parents were Thomas and mother Mary Mulally.

Did perhaps Julia have 2 marriages? My Julia as far as I know didn't emigrate (here) to Australia

Hi Larry

If you would like for me to pass along your email address you can contact me at cdoyle@irelandso.com

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

Hi Clare, I think your email address is incorrect as it keeps bouncing back at me!

So sorry, it should read cdoyle@irelandxo.com

All the best

Clare

Genealogy Support 

Hi Larry.  Definitely need to know more.  Other than the marriage of  Julia and John I don't know what happened to them. They didn't go to Australia.   My only link is their son Tobias' death certificate that states their names as parents.  Perhaps John died and Julia remarried?  

I don't believe Julia was ever married twice. Her 3 children (that I know of,including my gg grandmother)all had her listed as Julia or Johanna Jackson on their wedding certificates and if she had been married before ,her maiden name would not appear! I am pretty certain I have the corect Julia/Judith as her sisters include Margaret Jackson who went on and married Lawrence Collier . Through family hearsay the Colliers,Jackson and Crennans were all related somewhere and I believe that to be the link. I did also find a death record for a Judith Crennan for 1/3/1883 at Crutt where she is listed as being 94 years old which doesn't fit with her baptisimal date of 1804!.Also Edward Crennan's death record of 5/21877 at Ahamucky lists him as being 80 years old and a WIDOWER! I think alot of people have just plucked the marriage of a John Butler to a Judith Jackson as being my "Julia?Judith" and just added to trees and everyone has followed like sheep.Your thoughts? cheers Larry

Larry, funny you say the Colliers, Jackson and Crennans being related, because we've also had the name Brennan in the mix of Colliers and Butler.  I agree that there is a lot of sheep following.  That's what I find on Ancestry.  I'm careful about 'claiming' anyone.   I had someone in Australia also researching this line. (I'm in NZ)  We researched for years.  Before the Julia and John marriage info was online, my friend went to the parish and did the research the old fashioned way. AT the parish of Muckalee she found the baptisms of CAtherine 1802 and Judith  1804 Jackson naming the parents Thomas and Mary, then there was the marriage of John and Judith.  It was gutting to not have their parents listed though.  Only the witnesses.   As well as our Jackson link, we are trying to connect the Butlers.  Two Jackson sisters married two Butler's.  But we haven't figured out the relatlionship between the Butler's.  Elizabeth Jackson married James Butler and on their son Thomas's death certificate, (Australia)  the informant was Tobias Butler, cousin.  The signature is a good match to my Tobias.  Then when my Tobias died, the informant was Thomas Collier, cousin.  So they are definitely linked together.

I agree that if Julia married twice then surely she would have been Julia Butler.