Patrick McAiney

Dundalk RC parish records start in 1790. They are on-line on the rootsireland site (pay to view), and there are copies in the National Library, Dublin and elsewhere. See:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/

Searching the index, there is a match on rootsireland for the marriage of Elizabeth Duffy and Patrick (no surname entered) in 1859 in Co. Louth. Not Dundalk parish though, but Darver. Perhaps that?s where Elizabeth came from? You would need to pay to see the full details to decide whether it?s the right couple.

Thanks very much for the information Ahoghill, I`ll give that a try.

Hi Pat, many thanks for that.

So far on different Census going back the name has been shown as McKneany, McIneany but mostly McAiney!.

I will definitely give the McEneany or McEneaney a try as I cannot find any McAiney link back to Ireland papework wise.

I`m clinging to the Dundalk bit as that was stated on one Census, the bit that does confuse me and I`m going slightly off track here is some information I found years ago which I thought would have helped.

Page 23 on the document.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0C…

Regards

Steve

Steve

The Dundalk registration area cover a wide area including the Cooley peninsula. The library offer some research see http://www.louthcoco.ie/en/Services/Library/Genealogy-Research-Sources/

Also see http://www.jbhall.freeservers.com and a long shot http://www.carlingfordpeople.ie

Good Luck

Pat

Thanks for the links Pat.

Ahoghill...No luck with the rootsireland re Duffy, thanks for the help though.

Keep us updated Steve and let us know if you learn anything new!

Best wishes
Clare Doyle
Genealogy Support

Hi Clare (Ahoghill & Pat)

2 Years on and no further on really!.

What has come to light though through writing to the place Patrick died in is that his records show : Born Dundrile, Co Louth.

I cannot find anything for Dundrile so I still think it is Dundalk, Parish I don`t know.

DOB states 1840, but what I did not know is his Father was also called Patrick (says McAiney again) and Mother was Rose Conly.

Again the records say Married to Elizabeth Duffy.

Long shot, but does anyone have any info on his Fathers marriage Patrick and Rose? Probably not McAiney but hopefully Conly.

Thanks

Steve

Pat - do you think this could be anything other than Dundalk? Dunleer the only other placename that could be close in sound, what do you think?

Steve - I haven't been able to locate a marriage, despite using a couple of spelling variants. You cold have a look through the NLI registers fro Dundalk to see if a name of the spelling or close appears - I can't find any on the transcriptions database rootsireland.ie

Clare

Genealogy Support

Thanks Clare I will look into that.

As an aside and not to be confused with my query, I have a "Relation" who wrote a book, The Perambulations of Barney the Irishman Published 1850 (Sheffield England), in which the Author Bernard Bird says he was born in the Townland of Drumlendrie, County Monaghan 1790. His Fathers name was Patrick and his Mother was Rose McMahon.

He states in the book he is Bernard McAiney and Ainey in gaelic becomes Bird in English, hence Bernard Bird as the Author. The nearest I found was ean?.

But in a way this is why I sort of hold onto the McAiney spelling, yet around 5 spelling variations exist when checking the English census.

Again, does or did Drumlendrie exist as I cannot find it?.

Finally thanks again for everyones help and the information, it really is appreciated as I don`t seem to hit a wall in my search but more of a Black hole :-)

Yours, Puzzled of Preston! (Steve)

Steve,

Townland names and the spelling of them hasn’t always been static. Can’t see a Drumlendrie in Monaghan. However there is a Drumlendrick aka Drumlandrick, and in 1823 there was a William Mcneny there in the tithe applotment records, with a part share in an acre or so. Could be related to your ancestor’s family.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

Many thanks Elwyn, I will look into the Drumlendrick / Drumlandrick McNeny links.

I know in one of the English census one relation had it filled in by word of mouth so maybe lost in translation?, and another filled in by a neighbour on behalf of a relation so it`s maybe how they thought it sounded or how the name was spelt?.

Thanks again

Steve

I am on this case. I have ordered the marriage record of Patrick Mcineany and Bess Duffy for Fylde in 1857. This will tell me his father's first name. Will then go back to Irish records on Findmypast. I currently think he cam to England from Dundalk but possibly was born or baptised elsewhere in Co Louth.

Hi, thanks for this.

Re the 1857 Fylde Marriage McIneany - Duffy, Fathers name is also Patrick McIneany, Bess`s Father is a Bernard Duffy, in the presence of Peter McIneany.

Patrick is 21 and Bess 21 according to the paperwork living in Kirkham. Census in 1861 has them both as 22 living in Preston.

Peter who I think is the Brother of Patrick Jnr runs parallel census wise to Patrick but moves to Oldham (but his name stays as McAiney on all the census).

He also got married in the same place as Patrick in 1860 name is McInanay though with Patrick as Father again but also spelt McInanay.Patrick listed as Deceased.

At a guess I think Patrick and Peter travelled to England with their Father Patrick, but with what Surname though?!.

I can't find a Patrick and a Peter or appropriate ages with same parents in any RC baptism records for Dundalk or surrounding area. For that reason i though they were cousins. Do you know differently?

Also got a problem with Bess (aka Ellen and Elizabeth in different records). On some records she comes from Cavan, whereas the only RC baptism in the right period with father Bernard is actually in Dundalk!

Sorry for not thanking you by name, but my page does not show any poster name just your reply and when it was posted.

Patrick and Peter no, they could be Cousins as you say. 
Re Bess (aka Ellen and Elizabeth) all I have is on the UK Preston census 1861 living with Patrick and Elizabeth is Catherine Duffy Mother in law  age 45 and a Patrick Duffy Brother in Law age 18 sourced from Anc.com.Both Born Ireland no County or Town listed.

Hi PrestonMc, BillyWhizz here.

The 1881 Census shows Patrick and "Ellen" living in Penwortham hamlet nr Walton le Dale, but the name is given as McAmey. It's clearly them, however, from the children's ages. Here it says that Patrick was born in Dundalk and "Ellen" from Cavan.

I also found that a Duffy family, probably relatives of Bess/ Elizabeth/ Ellen, lived at 9 Markland St Preston in 1861 and 1871, ie they were some time neighbours of both Peter and Patrick McAiney.

What other details are on the 1857 marriage cert?

Hi BillyWhizz, thanks.

Yes I`ve got the Walton le Dale part for 1881 census, as you say McAmey, but I also have McAneany on that census!.

McAmey on findmypast and McAneany on Ancestry I think it was.

That was the only time I have seen a link to Dundalk, and the1891 census has him down as a Widower and as a Lodger at Mary Boyle 29 Frank St Preston.

1901 census has him as an inmate at Fuwood workhouse and Born Ireland and then I lost track until I found he had died in The Little Sisters of the Poor hospital. A letter written to me by one of the Sisters there who checked the records said it had Dundrile Co Louth as his Birth place (please see earlier post) and name as McAiney. Have tried to add copy of marriage cert.

Dundrile seems tp me like someone has misread Dundalk, given that the k with a loop can look like le :).

Here is summary of some marriage and census records found so far...

Thanks for all that.

Could Patrick and Elizabeth/Bess be lying about thier age to get Married? age 21 in 1857 when married and age 22 on 1861census. Bit puzzled as I thought you could get married at an earlier age.

Long shot I know but is there a chance a written copy survives in the Church they Wed? to check the Surname spelling. 

At a guess what decade do you think they arrived in England, 1850 onwards?

Well, in Ireland, sometimes it says "full age" on the marriage cert instead of giving actual age. The priest officiating would not be so much concerned with accuracy as legality, I suppose. The fact that Duffys lived 1-3 doors away from McAineys, and that some lived under the same roof after the marriage, seems more than a coincidence given this record.

Re when they came, the biggest influx was in the late 1840s and 1850s, as the potato famine started in 1846.

As for the surname spelling, I can't imagine it being any different on any copy in the church to what is shown on the certificate held by the GRO.

:) BillyWhizz

What would you say to try next? 

Off track but what do you make of the Book I have McAiney wise, does it seem plausible name wise (post 7th December 2016) ? .

This proverbial brick wall I keep hitting, do you think there is a door hidden there somewhere? Please don`t say no or I`m off to read the the Dandy :)

Many thanks for all the help and information, no really it is very much appreciated.

Well, I have posted a couple of requests for help on genealogy FB pages. Other than that, I will have to go back and scrutinise the RC baptism records available on FMP,and maybe other records too. For example, there is an 1821 census record for Kilmore parish in Cavan county showing Pat McEnany age 71, labourer, wife Ellin age 64, spinner, son Pat age 25, labourer  and daughter Bridget age 21, spinner. The younger Pat may possibly be the father of one or other of Pat and Peter whom we meet in England.

As for the book, my son in law has it on order and his father has a copy (they are the McAineys). This Bernard McAiney may indeed be a relative - Monaghan borders Louth - but we have yet to prove it by establishing any connection. I want to keep on looking for the links immediately prior to immigration: it's Louth, Cavan and Meath as quoted in the UK census records. Again if the Fermanagh reference re the Duffys is genuine, this county borders Cavan where Bess is said to have been born.

A hard-bitten geneaolgist would probably be heading over to Ireland to look at local records, but that's not me!

Looking through some old notes I have re Duffy but does not tie in with Bernard father of Bess.

Elizabeth Duffy Baptism date 10/4/1841 father Pat Duffy mother Cath Byrne, Bohermeen Parish, Meath Diocese and County.

Elizabeth Duffy Baptism date 13/1/1842 father Pat Duffy mother Cath Reilly, Kingscourt and Enniskeen Parish, Meath Diocese, Cavan County. 

If looking for McNany, 1841 census for Manchester shows a Patrick father Anne wife and a Patrick aged 3 Parents Born Ireland, looks like son born England.

Back to McAiney, just for info a Pat’k McAiney age 54 was on a ship from New York to Liverpool in 1896, whether this called and picked up in Ireland on the way I don’t know. He was a Widower by this time.

Well, there is an Elizabeth Duffy b to Bernard Duffy and Alice Manville baptised in Dundalk March 1839. Perhaps the family was from Cavan...

I'm thinking of taking a very short term subscription to johngrenham.com which seems to have a lot of Irish info the main ancestry websites don't have in their normal subscription package. However, before I do that I need to store up all the questions I want to put so it can all be done in one or two sessions. Have you used this website at all?

No, not used that site    

Will look for a bit of time over next few days.

Good luck Billy, hope something shows up.

Take it nothing new has come up over time Billy?

Appreciate your effort and information mate over the time.

Thanks again and take care.

Trying another route and going down the McEnaney route! (as Pat suggested a while back)

I have an extract from 1851 census return by an applicant Patrick McEnaney, address Coolderry Lr Carrickmacross, saying Patrick and Catherine McEnaney (Duffy) are Mother and Father. 

I have tried Dundalk baptisms for 1839 and also Monaghan with no luck which is the year Patricks birth year is given.

Does anyone have any information please on Patricks Baptism or a marriage link of his Father and Mother?.

Trying this as a Catherine Duffy appears as Mother in Law on a later census in England along with a Patrick and an Elizabeth /Bess Duffy, long shot really but just wondered if any link showed up.  

Thanks

Steve

This appears to overlap with my own enquiries into the McAineys. I attach UK census and marriage info for you to peruse - in which the surname Duffy aso comes up. Please let me know what you make of it. :) Bill Sanderson (My son in law is a McAiney). My own kntty issue is that I cannot find a Peter and a Patrick McEnany from Dundalk area with same parents, though they seem from English records to have a close family connection. There' also some confusion around birth years. How old was your Patrick McEnany in the 1851 census record?

HouseofNames: LastName Histories, Coats of Arms & Family ...

Please put the name (McENANEY) in to the Link above to read the origin

And history of the name, it will also give abreviation, spellings of the name.

John.

Hi Billy, yes you’ve posted the files back in 2018 when we last had any info.

Regarding the age on the Ireland 1851 census that is all I have so far with no ages to go off. (McEnaney).

Thanks John also.

Addition to what was down as 1851 Census, text that is attached states Event date 1841.
So that would make Patrick about 2 years old if indeed it is that Patrick.