Looking for CALLAN's

The records you saw are likely transcripts of church registers, almost certainly RC*, so would be baptisms, rather than births, but should have been within a day or two of the births. What are the dates for your Patrick jnr. & Catherine ?

Kildemock is the name of the civil parish for Paughanstown, and the RC parish would have been Ardee and based in the town of that name.

Patrick and Mary's marriage would presumably have been before the start of full civil registration in 1864, so a search for church records would be required. Dates available depend on which parish they married in, and parish of baptism of their children is a good place to start.

It seems that Ardee RC parish has marriage and baptism records back earlier than many parishes to the 1760s. Note that early records often include few details, and there are often gaps due to missing faded or damaged pages etc ...

Few RC registers include death/burials although some limited dates (1810 to 1821) seem to be availabale for Ardee parish. If the dates involved are after the start of civil records in 1864 then death certs should be available. There's an index on FamilySearch, and you can order research certs from the GRO for €4

*RootsIreland only seem to have transcripts of RC records for Co. Louth, although they include non-Catholic and civil records in several other counties.

Hi, thanks for the reply. Yes the 'baptism' records I found are only transcripts, but that's more than I had! Baptism dates: Patrick 18 Nov 1848, and Catharine 30 Aug 1850. I belive Patrick is the oldest. Patrick, Sr., and Mary had more children in New York. So I would think Patrick & Mary were married prior to Feb 1848.

Do you know if these parish records are available online anywhere?

Thanks for your help!

Allison

> Do you know if these parish records are available online anywhere?

The only online source I am aware of for the Ardee RC parish, or any of the Co. Louth parishes, are as the transcripts already mentioned on RootsIreland.

I had a quick look at the index on RootsIreland and see Catherine's 1850 baptism in Ardee RC parish, but Patrick's baptism in 1848 is recorded in Dunleer parish to the east of Ardee, so could be a better parish to check for possible marriage.

There two Mary Fitzpatrick marriages showing up on the RootsIreland index in Co. Louth to a groom named Patrick in the years up to Patrick jnr's baptism (1832 to 1848), one in 1833, the other in 1839. Neither are in Dunleer, or Ardee parish. Similarly three Patrick Callan marriages listed in the county during the same timeframe - 1838, 1847, 1848. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a cross match, so it's possible that Patrick snr and Mary married in a parish that doesn't have records for the time they married, or that any records was on a page no faded or missing...

The Tithe records for Poughanstown townland show some interesting results - nearly a third of the 30 or so occupants have surname Callan, so appears your Callan family had some connection to this area back to at least 1829 when this section of the Tithes is dated. See : Tithe Applotment Books,  Poughanstown

I did check a few of the marriage records for Mary Fitzpatrick, but none of them are Patrick Callan, one was Nicholas Callan and the other two were way off.

I purchased the baptism records for Patrick and Catharine but both say DUNLEER. I did find the Tithe Applotment, Griffith's Valuation, and census records for Callan's. There were/are quite a few.

Well one day, hopefully soon, I'll find the marriage record for Patrick and Mary so I can determine who it the Tithe and GV records was the father of Patrick.

Thanks for your help,

Allison

Hello Ally

just to give you a website you may not have seen, gives general information on Louth Genealogy and hte area has a lot of Callans including some in the phone book near your area, in deed a Kevin Callan was mayor of Drogheda about 3 years ago.

Anyway see http://www.jbhall.freeservers.com/

Regards

Pat

Hi Again

I was at a local genealogy lecture today and by Louth County Council and there was an extract of the tenants of Sir Frederick Forster at Mosstown and Philipstown in 1852 giving details of 38 families renting land there. There was one Callan family and the names were Arthur age 37, Alice aged 66, then Mary age 12, Anne age 10, Pat age 8, Thomas age 6 and Alice age 4.

While the family are not yours the Christian names particulary Alice may strike a cord.

The landlords brother Vere Forster had apparently launched a major emigration scheme a few year previously and a pencilled note says one family were going to Australia.

Regards

Pat

Pat, thanks for the info. You never know, some day it may come in handy.

Thanks again,

Ally

Hi, I found an entry in the Calendars of Wills and Administrations for an Anne Callan containing the following:

CALLAN, Anne [142] Effects £215.

16 October, Letters of Administration (with the Will annexed) of the personal estate of Anne Callan late of Paughanstown County Louth Spinster who died on 19 April 1885 at same place were granted at Armagh to Mary Anne Reilly of Keagh's Cross Dunleer in said county Spinster the neice and the Universal Legatee.

Does anyone know if the will and letters are available online anywhere/how I can get a copy? This could be a relation to my ancestors, as she's from the same town.

Thanks for any help!!

Ally

The will was processed by Armagh registry so now Northern Ireland, and there's a transcript on PRONI (Public Records Office of Northern Ireland) website. The transcript is probably all that survives. You can search here

The will mentions a neice Mary Anne Reilly, her brother Patrick.

shanew147, thanks for that...I did not know that Co. Louth records would have been in Armagh since Louth is not part of NI, but NI wasn't NI until....1922? I never thought of that. I use PRONI a lot and have found LOTS of BMD records. I downloaded the will and am very interested to find out if Anne's brother Partrick could be my 3x GG Grandfather.

So next I checked GRONI for a death record, since Anne's death in 1885 was after the start of civil registration. But I did not find a death record for Anne. Is there an equivalent to GRONI for the Republic of Ireland? 

Thanks,

Ally

The clerk in the parish office was very helpful when I was there a year ago. The records are computerized and she is able to search for you if you contact her. Otherwise, there are computer print outs available in the office--if, of course, you can get there. I believe her name was Sinead, there is a website and e-mail address, but I seem to have lost the bookmark.

Good Luck!

MJ Bailey

Halfpenny/Ward in County Louth

http://www.igp-web.com/louth/church_records.html

MJ

The GRONI / NIDIRECT system only covers civil records for northern Ireland counties. There's no equivalent system for GRO Roscommon. To search their data you have you find possible matches on the BMD Index, e.g. on FamilySearch, and order research certs. GRO Roscommon holds records for all of Ireland up up to end of 1921, and just counties in the republic after that.

This seems to be the only likely match on the BMD index for Anne's death :

Name : Anne Callan
Event Type : Death
Registration Quarter and Year : Apr-Jun 1885
Registration District : Ardee
Reported Age :38 (est. year of birth Year 1847)
Volume 2 / Page 298

St Peters Louth, thanks for the link! I found many Callan's with some good possibilities for a connection. Will be checking them out.

Ally

shanew147, I did find this record at FamilySerch, but I'm wondering if there is any further details than what's found in the transcription online. I can order the doc from FamilySearch (free) and see what else is noted.

Thanks for all your help,

Ally

The details I posted are from the BMD Index, you need the cert to see the full information - e.g. place and date of death, cause of death, place of residence etc.  For some notes on the details included see : here

p.s. you mentioned ordering some type of film from FamilySearch - just double check that they have a film of that Register rather than the film of the Index. The films of the Index books will only show the same information as above.