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Walsh and McAndrew

Searching for birth information about John Walsh that married Bridget Flanagan about 1855 in the Diocese of Killala, Crossmolina Parish. Searching for information on who their parents were and where they were born? They had two sons William and John and one daughter Bridget. About 1859 John Walsh died and Bridget Flanagan met Owen McAndrew and they married on 1 February 1861 in Crossmolina Parish.

Jim

Tuesday 1st January 2019, 12:56PM

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  • Jim:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    One minor bit of information. From the children's baptismal records, John and Bridget were living in Carrow-Cloughty townland in Crossmolina civil parish. The 1855 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for the parish shows a John Walsh and also a Thomas Walsh leasing land in Carrow-Cloughty.  https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/crossmolina.htm   The John Walsh may be the john  who died in 1859 but the Thomas Walsh could be his father or another relative.

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Tuesday 1st January 2019, 05:17PM
  • I have Walsh, Flanagan, and McAndrew relatives from Mayo, though mine lived/live a few parishes to the east of yours, in Killasser, Swinford, and Killedan (I've turned up some DNA matches in the Crossmolina area, though, so we are possibly distant relatives).  I thought you might like some info about the families:

    The surname Walsh/Walshe is an anglicization of the irish Breatnach, meaning Welshman, and is now found throughout Ireland, but there is a sizable pocket of them in eastern Mayo.  I have a Walsh second cousin who still owns the house in Killedan where my grandfather (her great-uncle) grew up.

    The surname Ó Flannagáin (from the Irish word flann, meaning ruddy) originated separately in several parts of Ireland, but the largest sept (or tribe) was in Connacht, and is believed to have orginated in eastern Mayo or just across the border in Roscommon.  A couple of years ago, I located a Flanagan second cousin here in the US through my DNA results.

    In Irish, the surname McAndrew is Mac Aindriu.  According to MacLysaght’s Surnames of Ireland, the McAndrew surname was adopted by a branch of the Barrett family in Mayo.  The Barrett’s were an Anglo-Norman family which became completely Hibernicized, and their surname became Bairéid in Mayo and Baróid further south in Munster.  There is also an untelated McAndrew "clan" in Scotland.

    My great-great-granddmother, Bridget McAndrew, lived in Killasser, and I've located a number of McAndrew relatives there.  In the various branches of my family, people often married spouses who lived several parishes away.  I thought I would mention that, because, although your Owen McAndrew married in Crossmolina, he might have grown up elsewhere (weddings usually took place in the bride's parish).

    I don't know of an Owen McAndrew among my relatives at that time, but there is a lot I don't know about that branch, and the name Owen (Eoghan in Irish) is found in my family.  My grandmother said that young peiople from all the parishes used to go dancing in Westport, where they met one another.  That was at the turn of the century (early 1900's), but she said that they also met at fairs or at the weddings of relatives, and that could have happened in earlier years, too.

    You may also be interested to know that that part of Mayo was still largely Irish-speaking when your family lived there, in some places even into the early 20th century.  Both of my mother's parents grew up speaking Irish at home.

    Aso, did you notice the listing from July of 2018 by someone else looking for Walsh's from the Crossmolina area?  You might be related, and so might want to speak with that person.

    kevin45sfl

    Tuesday 1st January 2019, 08:31PM
  • MCANDREW is one of the older names around north Co Mayo. I have a John MCANDREW b abt 1780 in my database at Ancestry.com. Looking at him this am up popped a "hint" which is Griffiths Valuation Mayo 1856-57. On that list they show Mc Andrew John in Ballymurphy & Barnhill, Lower. in Lackan (parish name?) Then they have Mc Candra which to me must be the same family/clan as even priests spelled baptisms for children of the same couple w diff spellings! Martin, Owen & Thomas McCandra all listed in Carrowcuilleen, then Dominick in Aghaleague, all in Lackan. Owen,  Eoighn, Sean, Ian are all variations of John. Another record spells it M'ANDREW.

    John MCANDREW b est 1790 in Sligo or Mayo married Sydney MOORE. My 2nd cousin matches dna of their descendants. They had dau Julia M b Jan 1820; d 12 Mar 1901. She m William GAUGHAN (1814-1900), and an Ellen MCANDREW (1845-1919) m John GAUGHAN/GAVIN (em to Luzerne PA, USA). Other MCANDREW marriages I show in Mayo were to HOLLAND, KENNEDY, HEALY,/HEALEY, HIGGINS, LANGAN, LOUGHNEY, MCHALE, RUANE/ROUGHAN, O'HARA, BYRNE, MEARS, TIGUE/MCTEAG/etc. spelling. Marie/Mary MEARS was dau of James Joseph MEARS + Margaret CONLIN/CONLON. I am a MEARS from Shanaghy (rural Balllina). Early on many of the MCANDREWS I have lived in Ballina and north side to Killala, or south to Attymass & Foxford, also later west in Belmullet. I do think all were one family that spread, likely also lived to the east., originally Scotland. Here is link to A great MCANDREWS households by parish 1856 which includes  Crossmolina.: https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish.php?county=Mayo&surname=Mc...  Happy Hunting!

    PAULLINBABY

    Wednesday 2nd January 2019, 12:38PM