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Barretts, Joyces & Monaghans- a great combination!

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This is what I know about my GGgrandparents:

Name                       Born           Arrived in U.S.         From              Married                Died          Place

Anthony Barrett.            1832.        1853.                Ireland.                Ireland.                    1914.     Erin Prairie Wisc.

Married

Catherine Monaghan   1828            1853                Ireland                 Ireland                     1867      Erin Prairie Wisc

 

Patrick Joyce.               1833.          1847.              Belmullet.           1856 West Virginia.    1906.   New Rich,ond Wisc

Married

Catherine Monaghan.   1834.         1854.              Belmullet.               "                               1917           "

 

Less is known about my GGGgrandparents:

Francis (Frank) Barrett, married Susan Alice Dougherty (1808-1882) in Ireland

Patrick Phillip Joyce or John Joyce married Mary Mc Hale in Ireland

Patrick Monaghan (b.1806) married Ellen

I have looked at Griffiths Valuations (1847-1864)and Tithes  Applotments (1823-1837) and flax growers list for 1796 and there are many similar names to my list above.  I am looking for how to narrow down the right names to the right townlands, there are so many.  Killmore or Kilcommon seem likely.

My cousin and I are going to visit Ireland in March and hope to find any family descendents of those who stayed in Ireland through the famine years, or other descendants of the many Irish who married into our family in America- Earlys, Paddens, Lynchs,Dixons, Caseys, Deaths, Narys, Harts, Clarks, Gaughans, and Quinns.

Unaccounted for from Belmullet area in the great great uncle category: James Joyce, born about 1835, John and James Monaghan born from 1830-1845. Also marriage records for Anthony Barrett and Catherine Monaghan.(about 1850)

Thank you for reading this,

Debra Barrett from a small village in British Columbia

Debra Barrett

Wednesday 4th January 2017, 09:05PM

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  • Debra:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    I did a quick check of Roots Ireland for Catherine Monaghan marriages to a Barrett or Joyce in Mayo and got no record. The Belmullet RC parish records start in 1836 for marriages and 1841 for baptisms. Unfortunately, there is a gap in marriage records from 1845-1858 http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0742 which likely covers the period where your ancestors married. The Kilmore Erris and Kilcommon Erris records start around 1860.

    I was also unsuccessful in finding baptismal records for any children of the two couples.

    Have you considered autosomal DNA testing?

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Wednesday 4th January 2017, 10:49PM
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    Thank you for your attention to my post, so quickly. I also found that most of my information on my ancestors comes from after they left Ireland. The GG grandparents each had nine children once settled in America and are well accounted for on my family tree. It is the siblings of my GGgrandparents that I have no information for that intruige me now. And Anthony Barrett had two wives after Catherine died, Sarah Gaughan (1840-1872) and Mary Mooney(1835-1872), both from Ireland. I know nothing about  any of his three wives before they came to America.

    Am I correct that many deaths during the famine years were not recorded?

    About DNA , I have been trying for years to convince male members of my paternal line to get the test, and finally my cousin's brother agreed with a little persuasion last month, so I hope to arrive in Ireland with that information in hand. Can you direct me to a guide to how to utilize and interpret the results? I see that there is a Barrett DNA project at Family Tree. The overall graph is intimidating

    And I am doing Irish language lessons on Duolingo!

    Debra

     

     

    Debra Barrett

    Thursday 5th January 2017, 05:33PM
  • I am attaching a file on my great grandparents Michael Barrett and Nellie Joyce Barrett. 

    Debra

    Debra Barrett

    Thursday 5th January 2017, 06:30PM

    Attached Files

  • Debra:

    Civil registration of deaths did not begin un til 1864. Most RC churches but not all did not record deaths prior to 1864. During the famine years particularly in hard-hit areas, there were mass graves and likely no records kept.

    On DNA, there are actually three types of tests: Y-DNA, mtDNA and autosomal DNA. The Y-DNA test as you indicate can only be used by males but the mtDNA test (which tracks the strict maternal line) can be taken by both males and females. I have taken both tests and they go back 200 years or more and are not as useful as the autosomal test which you can take. The autosomal or Family Finder test tracks DNA on all your lines and identifies close matches as well as more distant matches.

    Here is a link for more background https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/experts-handbook/

    Roger

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Thursday 5th January 2017, 08:47PM
  • Will the autosomal test provide a haplogroup number? And will I be able to participate in things like the Barrett DNA project, using autosomal results?

    Debra Barrett

    Thursday 5th January 2017, 11:44PM
  • Debra:

    You only get haplogroup numbers from the Y-DNA and mtDNA tests.  Don't know the specifics about the Barrett DNA project but those projects usually rely on Y-DNA data.

    Roger

     

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Friday 6th January 2017, 08:11PM