Hand/Hann family

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I have updates on the Syddan Church of Ireland records regarding Hann/Hand family.

Just wondering if Edward is still subscribed ?

In summary I have found numerous births/marriages/burials for Hann family in Syddan in records going back to mid 1720s having visited the RCBL library in Dublin a week ago.

i write to you on behalf of another individual who has a record of a marriage certificate 1868

of a margaret hann to anotehr idividual in duble

could you advise me if this margaret is one of the five children of thomas hann and jane miller

much obliged

FURTHER TO THE ABOVE QUERY THE FOILLOWING INFORMATION HAS BEEN DISCOVERED

1868 NOVEMBER 27TH SAINT KEVIN CHURCH DUBLIN 1 THOMAS GIBNEY MARRIED TO 2 MARGARET HAND HANN

1 THOMAS GIBNEY 45 HIGH STREET MOTHER MARGARET DESMOND AND HUSBAND PATRICK GIBNEY-A COOPER

2 MARGARET HAND HANN 6 BISHOP STREET DRESSMAKER MOTHER JOANNE MILLER AND HUSBAND THOMAS HANN PORTER

AND THEY HAD CHILDREN 1869 PATRICK GIBNEY 1872 THOMAS GIBNEY FROM DEATH RECORD 1873 ANTHONY JOSEPH GIBNEY 1874 JAMES JOSEPH GIBNEY 1876 MARY JANE GIBNEY    

COULD YOU CONFIRM FROM YOUR RECORDS IF THIS MARGARET HAND HANN WAS ONE OF THE DAUGHTERS OF JOANNE MILLER AND THOMAS HANN PORTER OF SIDDON MEATH AND WHAT YEAR WAS HER BIRTH THANKS IN ADVANCE

Hi Liam,

I have gone through the records which I extracted for Lobinstown RC parish using rootsireland some years ago. I have not found any records for the birth of Margaret to Thomas Hann and Jane nee Miller. However, I have found their marriage record on the Lobinstown marriage register as well as two children born with quite a gap of time between them. So, I strongly suspect that Margaret was indeed born to this Siddan/Lobinstown based couple and that your information is likely correct that they subsequently moved to Dublin. Regarding Margaret Hann who married Thomas Gibney (a cooper) I have found Margaret Gibney death record for 1895 on the civil records at irishgenealogy.ie showing that she was a widow to a cooper and that daughter Mary Gibney was a witness. Her stated age then was 44 yrs of age at 1895. She resided at Cork Street in Dublin's Liberties area at that time.

Thomas Hand and Jane Miller were married on 28 April 1836 in Lobinstown RC church. (note the records oscillate a bit between aHann and Hand spelling but the original family name was generally listed as Hann)

Anne Hann was baptised 27 Nov 1836 to Thomas Hann and Jane Hann (nee Miller)

Catherine Hann was baptised 16 April 1847 to Thomas Hann and Jane Hann (nee Miller) 

other Lobinstown RC records:

Patrick Hann married Jane Duffy , 29 Oct 1840 Lobinstown RC.

Anthony Hann baptised at Lobinstown RC 7 Jun 1845 - Father : George Hann, Mother : Mrs Hann (noted on register that mother is an adult convert to the Catholic religion and that the child was baptised conditionally).

Anthony Hann baptised 6 Jan 1850 at Lobinstown RC , Father: George Hann, mother : Bridget Martin noted that Anthony Hann is an adult convert to the Catholiic religion 

Mary Hann baptised 21 Mar 1848 Lobinstown RC, Father: Anthony Hann , Mother : Elizabeth Abraham

Also I have numerous records for this family from the Siddan COI church dating back to the 1720s. Their main homestead appeared to be in a townland called Devinstown. The records on the RC parish clearly show there was a conversion to RC religion. Also I have strong reason to believe that a man named Owen Hann who was a retailer/grocer/publican in Ardee town in Co Louth, and listed as born in Meath was connected to this family. He is listed on the 1901 and 1911 Irish census as well as on several town business registers in the late 1890s, early 1900s, etc.

I can try to pull together those records for you shortly , if they are of interest.
It looks like Thomas Hann who moved to Dublin was most likely a son of a George Hann or an Anthony Hann (senior). I am not to be knowledge related in any direct way to this family but my interest stems from a discussion with a man who is quite possibly a relative on my Little side who had an interesting lore told to him about Hanns who lived near Ardee (Siddan would indeed qualify) who may have had a much earlier German origin. I have done some speculative research on that and I have some dotted lines which could add a bit of weight to that. With that in mind I am interested to know if there are any living descendants who have any histories passed down by this family regarding possible older origins.

Just to also add that there is a record for a John Hand, aged 49 on the 1901 Census residing with family at Anne Street North and listed as a Brewery labourer along with his son (also a John Hand) , another son , Anthony and his wife Catherine.

John senior is listed as being specifically from Lobinstown Meath (by clicking on more information). His wife listed as from Ardee, Louth. Without any doubts this John Hand is closely connected to the same Hann family from Lobinstown/Siddan. He is possibly a sibling of Thomas Hann who married Jane Miller (or a first cousin, nephew, etc).

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Anne_…

More in keeping with the first enquiry , regarding Thomas Hann who subsequently married Jane Miller.

From the Siddan COI register which I obtained access to at the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin.

1814 No 2 February 19th Baptised in the parish of Killary, "Thomas" son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown and his wife Mary . born 18th, Inst B.Disney.

and 

1803 Married (by License) Anthony Hann of Devonstown to Mary Collin of Footstown , Parish of Syddan,

Dec 23 - B Disney Vicar

1810 , No 1. Mar 25th Baptised in the parish of Killary, "Anthony " son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown and

Mary Hann (alias Callon) his wife. born 23th, by B.Disney

1812 , No 4, May 4 Baptised in the parish of Killary, "James" son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown and Mary Hann (alias Callon) his wife. born May 1st - B. Disney

I would venture that Thomas' mother was Callon or Callan as opposed to Collin.

and regarding Thomas and his siblings we have a joint confirmation which occurred in 1822

Confrirmation at Drumcondra, by the Lord Bishop of Meath, 14 October 1822.

George Hann , James Hann, Thomas Hann, Anthony Hann. - George Hardman - Minister

The vicar B.Disney is most likely Brabazon Disney who also had ministry in Louth at other times.

little thanks for all that

my gibney contact has recovered additional information as follows

5 births of thomas hann to jane miller of which you have listed two above and below

1835 mary jane 1836 anne 1838 margaret 1840 anthony 1847 catherine         

if you have any more info on any of the above hanns hands especially margaret let us know by return

are you a dublin based littlke and maybe a meetup could be organized if you were so inlcined

otherwise as the story develops we will get in touch  

  Looking for Thomas Hand/Hann and parents, he was born about 1815 and almost certainly Lobinstown as it was then. He married Jane Miller in 1836 at Lobinstown and had 5 children there then moved to Dublin. Jane was born in 1819 at Drumconrath. It has been mentioned that some of the Hand family were COI and converted to Catholics in later life and Lobistown used to be Siddan. Are there any Siddan records still available, on line preferably as being in Australia cannot visit Irish research centres. Have found his children and marriage on Irish Genealogy and RootsIreland Thank you, Eddie 

EddieW could you advise which child of the five that you are linked too

1835 mary jane

1836 anne

1838 margaret  this is the gibeny link that we are following as listed below  

                        1838 october 30th lobinstown baptism Margaret hand hann to thomas hand hann and jane miller

                                                                                                                   sponsors james hand hann and anne miller 

1840 anthony

1847 catherine       ​ 

EddieW the latest update could you advise which child of the five that you are linked too

1835 mary jane

1836 anne

1838 margaret  this is the gibney link that we are following as listed below  

          1838 october 30th lobinstown baptism Margaret hand hann to thomas hand hann and jane miller

                                                                     sponsors james hand hann and anne miller 

1840 anthony

1847 catherine   

elizabeth

rosanna

1856 alexandar

1858 james

eddiew which family ended up in austraiia

ilittle from your research records do you happen to have records for these individuals listed below
checking for another new person
do you have any records for Christopher keelan
or 1790 mary hand or mary Kellan or keelan or Patrick keelan
1790 county meath drumconrath birth mary maiden name hand
???? married Christopher keelan
mother of Patrick keelan

Hi Liam,

I should have a chance during the week to check my records on the Hann family from the RC/Lobinstown registers and the Siddan COI registers (which I transcribed at RCBL)

I am originally from Dublin and now West of Ireland. I have no known directions to the Hann/Hands except that our Little family had roots in mid-Louth including areas close to Ardee , north of Siddan/Lobinstown but in the Louth county bounds. A gentleman who is quite likely a distant relative on my Little side has heard a very interesting anecdote about a possible connection between the two families. That's really why I've been doing some peripheral research on the Hann/Hands.

My contact email is ianplittle

(gmail) 

I am delighted to say that I have managed to tidy up my notes taken over 3 years ago at the Representative Church Body of Ireland near Churchtown, Dublin. They are my transcriptions of Hann birth/marriages/deaths and include confirmation notes for family members. Regarding the central individual to this discussion, namely Thomas Hann who married Jane Miller I have been able to establish now his baptism date as well as his parent's names and marriage record. Thomas Hann was baptised on 19 Feb 1814 at Syddan COI parish, a son to Anthony Hann of Devonstown (townland within Syddan/Lobinstown parish boundaries). Based on an earlier marrage record it appears that Thomas' mother was Mary Hann nee "Callon" of Footstown within Syddan parish. Anthony Hann and Mary Callon were married (by license) 1803 at Syddan.

Based on a list of protestant parishioners around Meath compiled on a directive by Lord Bishop Thomas Lewis O'Beirne , who was Bishop of Meath from 1798-1822 approx, there were no Callon/Callan protestant parishioners in the areas around Meath including Siddan. I am guessing that the "by license" may refer to something similar to dispensation and that Mary Callan may have been from Roman Catholic religion. Thomas and his father Anthony appeared to have converted to catholicism by 1840 - around the time or just after Catholic Emancipation. I will post the records in the next post. I know that EddieW from Australia who is related to these Hann/Hands via a marriage in Dublin between a Butler and Hann/Hand has located Jane Miller's baptismal record from Drumconrath parish in 1819. The birth record which wasn't sourced until now was her future husband, Thomas Hann. Now we have it as 1814. Strongly used names in the male family line include Anthony, Alexander and George. I have found records for a George Han(d) in Stabannon area , Paynestown within the boundaries of Louth near rural Ardee. He was buried in what appears to be a graveyard generally reserved for COI burials in Dunleer area. This shows some spreading of the family to either side of the Meath/Louth border.

Best regards,

Ian

[RCBL Visit Jun 5th 2014

Syddan, Parish
Meath , Diocese.

Baptisms 31 May 1720 - 29 Apr 1777
Marriages 12 Oct 1721 - 14 Dec 1776
Burials 22 Apr 1725 - 15 Mar 1778

Baptised in the parish of Killary, May 3rd 1728, a daughter of Anthony Hand's called Elinor.
Jun 20 1731
Baptised in the parish of Killary
A son of __ Han(d)s called John

1739
Buried in the church yard  of Syddan , April 12
the wife of Anthony Hand of the parish of Killary

1750
Baptised in the Church of Syddan, Apr 13 - a son of Anthony Hands called James

1752

Baptised in the parish of Killary, February 10, a son of Anthony Hand's named John

1754

Baptised in the parish of Killary, May 12, a daughter of Anthony Hand's named Ann

1756
Baptised in the parish of Killary, Feb 23, a son of Anthony Hann, named James.

1756

Buried in the church yard of Syddan, a son of Anthony Hand's of parish of Killary

A list of persons of the parishes of Syddan, Killary & Mitchelstown who were confirmed at the church of Cartletown (?)
on Monday Jun 8 1800 by the right rev Thos Lewis, Lord Bishop of Meath. [ Researcher Note  (IanL 2014)- Thos Lewis most likely refers to Thomas Lewis O'Beirne, Bishop of Meath 1798-1822 approx)

1. Mrs Maria Evans of Johnsfort.
2. Dorothea Evans ditto
3 Miss Jane McMollen, Syddan Hill.
4 William Disney Esq, ditto
5 John Sallery  - Batestown (?)
6. Dorothea Sallery  (ditto)
7 Arabella Sallery (ditto)
8 John Sallery  (ditto)
9 Goerge Sallery - Green Hills
10 Anthony Hann
11 Geo Hann Junior Devonstown
12 Thos Hopkins Parsonstown
13 Jas Leach
15 Mary Leach
15 Alica Leach (all Syddan)

1792 Buried in the Church Yard of Syddan, Mrs Grace Hand of Devonstown.
1794 12 March Married in the Parish of Killary, Joseph Craig a Roman Catholic to Grace Hand of Devonstown a protestant by License.
1795 February 5th Baptised in the Parish of Killary a daughter of Alexander Hand named Jane
1799 Dec 10th Buried in the church year of Syddan, Alexander Hand of Devonstown, Parish of Killary
1800 - Feb 28 Buried in the Church Yard of Syddan, Anthony Hand of Devonstown, Parish of Killary.
1803 Dec 23  Married (by License) Anthony Hann of Devonstown to Mary Callin of Footstown , Parish of Syddan, B Disney (Vicar)
1805 - No 2 , April 11th, Baptised in the parish of Killary, Alexander Hann son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown.
1806, No 6, Baptised in the Parish of Killary, "George" son of Anthony Hann, of Devonstown.
1808, No . 8.  Jul 31 - Baptised in the parish of Killary, "Annie" daughter of Anthony Hann of Devonstown,
born 23rd by Revd Latham Coddington.

1810 , No 1. Mar 25th Baptised in the parish of Killary, "Anthony " son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown and
Mary Hann (alias Callon) his wife. born 23th, by B.Disney

1812 , No 4, May 4 Baptised in the parish of Killary, "James" son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown and Mary Hann (alias Callon) his wife. born May 1st - B. Disney
1814 No 2 February 19th Baptised in the parish of Killary, "Thomas" son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown and his wife Mary . born 18th, Inst B.Disney.
1819 No 3, Mar 17th Buried in the church yard of Syddan, , Robert Hann infant son of Anthony Hann of Devonstown.
1820 Dep 10th Baptised parish of Killary, Mary daughter of Anthony and Mary Hann of Devonstown (born 8th) - B Disney.
1821. No 9. Buried in the church yard of Syddan, James Hann of Devonstown (aged 66) - B Disney

1822 Confrirmation at Drumcondra, by the Lord Bishop of Meath, 14 October 1822.
George Hann , James Hann, Thomas Hann, Anthony Hann. - George Hardman - Minister
1823
No 3. May 8th, Buried in the church yard of Syddan, George Hann of Devonstown, Parish of Killary, , aged 77 (B Disney)
1823. No 5. Baptised in Syddan Parish, John son of Anthony & Mary Hann of Devonstown born 21st, B Disney
1833 Buried in Syddan church yard on Friday 22 Feb, Alexander eldest son of Anthony Hann of Davinstown

Thank you for posting so much on the Hand and or Hann family from Syddan, Lobinstown area.  My cousin and I have just started digging into our family and it appears that we are descended from George Hand who married Judith Pritchard. With the number of Georges you have identified I am having some difficulty trying to determine which George is the husband of Judith.  Do you have any insight on this?

Susan 

Hi there,

I'm doing some family research at the moment (I'm based in Australia but from Dublin) and it looks like I'm decended also from the Hanns, George Hann (1783-1858) who married Judith Pritchard (1800-1883). They are my maternal grandmother's great grandparents. It seems my mother has a very long family history in and around Lobinstown. My grandmother mentioned above was Martha Dillon (later Stallard). Her father, Samuel Dillon, had left Meath for Dublin around the turn of the 20th century, but to my knowledge, all his siblings remained. 

I'm looking forward to visiting Meath in 2022 to see some of these places for myself and I'd love to meetup/talk to others also searching!

Thank you!

Dani (Melbourne)