Hanna and Crawford families of Drum Co Monaghan

Hi Karen

There are 2 baptism records for Robert Hanna 1820 + - 6 years in Monaghan; 1 is 1815 & the other 1826

Neither record is from Drum Currin however

There are 2 matches for Eliza Crawford 1815 and 1820; 1820 is Eliza 1815 is Elizabeth; neither from Drum Currin

You may need to purchase 1 of the above records if you want to find siblings of Eliza's as there are 68 Crawfords born 1820 + - 10 years in Monaghan; same for Hanna as there are 17

However there is no guarantee the aprents' names will be on the baptismal record which is the only way I can see to find the siblings - search with a parent's name narrow the number of matches

Col 

The Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast keeps career and personal details of all Presbyterian Ministers in Ireland (excluding secession churches). They may be able to provide you with some family information on the 2 Ministers, especially Roaring Hugh whose life seems likely to be well documented.

http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com/

thankyou for the replies

if someone said they were from Drum Co Monaghan in 1900

would this be a broad term!

for example would drumogle also be considered to be of Drum

if so what other name places would be considered of Drum!

thankyou

In my opinion, Drum would only mean the townland of that name. It wouldn?t be a shortened version of any other townland.

In Griffiths for 1858 there?s a Rev JD Crawford in Drum, who had an ?office? ie outbuildings there. No other Crawford or Hanna families, though that doesn?t mean they weren?t there as not everyone was listed.

There are  2 Presbyterian churches in the area (1^st Drum & 2^nd Drum) but unfortunately neither has any baptisms prior to 1867. Their marriages start in 1845 for both churches,

I searched for the marriage 1845 to 1852 (anywhere in Ireland) but cannot see it listed in the Irish civil indexes. Possibly they married before April 1845.

The Presbyterian Society kindly forwarded the following info.

The REV JAMES DAWSON CRAWFORD was educated at Old College Belfast and

Assembly's college belfast (general certificate 1846)

licensed by Monaghan Presbytery 1849

Ordained 1st Drum 27.10.1849 resigned 1866

Installed Hillhall Presbyterian church 29.3.1866 till 22.5.1881

Albert st congregation Belfast 1881 resigned 1882

installed Berry st Belfast 2.5.1882

1901 census shows him at university st Cromac Belfast 75yrs married to mary alice (nee sloper) crawford

Born 22.3.1825 Died 5.10.1902(belfast newsletter)

1st Wife Letitia Mawhinney who died 1891 aged 60yrs, both buried at Knockbreckan Reformed

Presbyterian Graveyard.

PARENTS AND SIBLINGS REMAIN ELUSIVE

Eliza[beth] Crawford was the daughter of John Crawford  & Jane Dawson.  John died 30 May 1851 and Jane 01 February 1890.  Both were buried in Kilcrow Churchyard, Co Monaghan.  

Robert Hanna married Eliza Crawford circa 1840 and they had eleven children. The family immigrated to New Zealand from Ireland in 1864, sailing on an immigrant ship called the "Ganges". The "Ganges" sailed from Queenstown, now C?bh, the port for Cork, on 03 November 1864 and dropped anchor off Queen's Wharf, Auckland, NZ at 1900 hours on 14 February 1865. The Hanna's youngest child Phoebe, aged about 10 months, died onboard the ship on the way out to New Zealand. Two adults and 54 children also died during the voyage. Because of the large number of deaths, there was a commission of enquiry when the ship reached Auckland as to why so many children had died on the voyage out: the enquiry seems to have been something of a whitewash. 

Eliza had 8 known siblings:

~~Sibling 1.  REV. DR. JAMES DAWSON CRAWFORD, b. 22 Mar 1825, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 05 Oct 1902, University Street, Belfast, N. Ireland.; m. MARY ALICE SLOPER; b. 1856, Dalston, London.

The following information is  from a hand-written entry in an old ledger held by The Historical Society of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, Church House, Fisherwick Place, Belfast, Northern Ireland.
"J. D. Crawford. Born Drumgole 1825.
Educated at Old College, Belfast and Assembly's College, Belfast. General Certificate 1846. Licensed by Monaghan Presbytery 1849; ordained 1st Drum 27 September 1849; resigned 1866; installed Hillhall March 29th 1866; resigned May 22nd 1881; installed Albert Street, Belfast, May 30th 1881; resigned 1882; installed Berry Street, Belfast, 16th May 1882; died October 5th 1902.
A keen controversialist, ready debater, and took considerable part in the discussions of the General Assembly."

Doctor of Divinity from Westminster College, New Wilmington, PA in 1886.  the following is from Westminster College  "James Dawson Crawford did indeed receive an honorary DD from Westminster College in 1886. He is listed as being from Belfast, Ireland.  I'm happy to confirm this. Unfortunately, I can furnish no further information.  It was common in those days to recognize outstanding clergymen from Ireland and Scotland, the former countries of origin of so many Presbyterians.

Sibling 2.  The Reverend John Crawford b 12 January 1827 Drumgole, Co Monaghan; and died 08 Feb 1909.  He married Mary Ann [or Mariann] WEIR in 1864.  She was born 12 Apr 1843 in Co Cavan, Ireland, and died 06 Apr 1925.  Both were buried Kilcrow Churchyard, Co. Monaghan, Ireland. 
Reverend John Crawford Degrees/Honours: D.D.  Ruling elder at First Drum Presbyterian Church.  Was a Missionary in Damascus, Syria.
Children of JOHN CRAWFORD and MARY WEIR are:
i. MARY7 CRAWFORD, b. 14 Sep 1865, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 09 Jul 1927.  Known as Minnie.  Burial: Kilcrow Churchyard, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.  Never married.
ii. JOHN JAMES CRAWFORD, b. 23 Mar 1867, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 12 Dec 1888.
Burial: Kilcrow Churchyard, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.
iii. WILLIAM CRAWFORD, b. 28 Jun 1868, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 10 Jun 1905, Cootehill, Co Monaghan, Ireland.
iv. JOSEPH HENRY CRAWFORD, b. 23 Jun 1870, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 15 Feb 1951, Drum, Co Monaghan, Ireland. He married (1) ELEANOR JANE TATE 11 Dec 1900 in Berry Street Presbyterian Church, Belfast, N. Ireland., daughter of JAMES TATE.  She was born 06 Jul 1876 in Derriaghy, Co. Antrim, N. Ireland., and died 17 Jan 1917 in 107 Fortwilliam Parade, Belfast, N. Ireland..  He married (2) MARTHA ARMSTRONG Abt. 1930.  Joseph  Henry Crawford killed his wife, Eleanor Jane in their home in Northern Ireland.  He had returned home and stabbed her several times.  Her children found her dead on the floor.  Joseph Henry was arrested (he was a sergeant in the Royal Irish Constabulary) and tried - he was found to be not of sound mind and therefore was not imprisoned for the offence.
v. THOMAS HENRY CRAWFORD, b. 05 Dec 1871, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 25 Mar 1949; m. ELIZABETH ANNE LATIMER; b. 1863; d. 07 Apr 1935, Brookboro, Ireland; Burial: 09 Apr 1935, Kilcrow Churchyard, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.
vi. SAMUEL CRAWFORD, b. 21 Apr 1874, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 04 Jul 1946.
vii. ELIZA JANE CRAWFORD, b. 23 Feb 1876, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 26 May 1943.
She married JOHN WILLIAM FLACK Abt. 1906.  He was born 1874 in Co Cavan, Ireland, and died 31 May 1951.  Both were buried in Drum Presbyterian Churchyard, Drum, Co. Monaghan, Ireland. Child of ELIZA CRAWFORD and JOHN FLACK:
 ELIZABETH JANE PHOEBE8 FLACK, b. 1907, Co Cavan, Ireland; d. 31 Oct 1993.
Known as Phoebe.  Burial: Drum Presbyterian Churchyard, Drum, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.  Never Married.
Occupation: Matron of Military Hospital, Bangor, N. Ireland.

Sibling 3.  SAMUEL CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1831, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland

Sibling 4.  THOMAS HENRY CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1833, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 04 Apr 1914, Fenton Street, Parawai, Thames, New Zealand. Burial: 7 April 1914 Shortland Cemetery, Thames, NZ.  He married AGNES MCINTOSH FISHER Abt. 1882 in Thames, New Zealand..  She was born Abt. 1860 in Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia.  Burial: 09 Feb 1948, Shortland Cemetery, Thames, New Zealand.
THOMAS HENRY CRAWFORD Mine Manager, Thames NZ.  Mr. Crawford came to Australia in September 1855, in the ship "Merlin", and followed alluvial mining at Ballarat, Bendigo, and other fields for some four years, when he joined in the "rush" to Otago, coming over the Tasman Sea in a vessel named "Lightning". 
Children of THOMAS CRAWFORD and AGNES FISHER are:
i. JOHN DAWSON7 CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1883, New Zealand.; d. 25 Nov 1960.  Burial: 28 Nov 1960, Totara Memorial Cemetery, Thames, New Zealand.  Occupation: Solicitor.
ii. DAUGHTER(1) CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1884.
iii. DAUGHTER(2) CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1886.
iv. THOMAS HENRY CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1888; d. 23 Jun 1945; Burial: 25 Jun 1945, Totara Memorial Cemetery, Thames, New Zealand; m. FREDA LILLIAN CRAWFORD; b. Abt. 1904, New Zealand.; d. 01 Jul 1982. Burial: 05 Jul 1982, Totara Memorial Cemetery, Thames, New Zealand.
v. GEORGE CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1890.
vi. SYDNEY PERCIVAL CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1888, New Zealand; d. 17 Oct 1965, New Zealand.  Burial: 19 Oct 1965, Totara Memorial Park Cemetery, Thames, New Zealand.  He married ANNIE WINIFRED HUDSON 1920 in New Zealand.  She was born 03 Mar 1897 in New Zealand, and died 05 Apr 1988 in New Zealand. Burial: 07 Apr 1988, Totara Memorial Park Cemetery, Thames, New Zealand.
vii.HUGH EDDOWES CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1898, Thames, New Zealand. Burial: 01 Jan 1919, Shortland Cemetery, Thames, New Zealand.
viii.DAUGHTER(3) CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1901.

Sibling 5.  DR. JOSEPH DAWSON CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1836, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 07 Feb 1911, 40 Rodney Street, Liverpool.  He married ANNABELLA SMYTH.  She was born 1834 in Monaghan, Ireland, and died 1910 in Liverpool.
Children of JOSEPH CRAWFORD and ANNABELLA SMYTH are:
i. DR. WILLIAM SMYTH7 CRAWFORD, b. 25 Sep 1859, Warren Point, Co. Down, Ireland; d. 13 Feb 1897, Frazer St., Liverpool.
ii. HIS HONOUR JUDGE JOHN DAWSON CRAWFORD, b. 04 Aug 1861, Warrenpoint, Co. Down, N. Ireland.; d. 28 Jun 1946, "The Orchard", 29 Wellesley Rd., Gunnersbury, London, England.; m. HARRIETT COOPER, 1909, Kensington; b. 1864, Manchester; d. 03 Mar 1942, Downderry, Cornwall, England..
iii. SARAH ELIZABETH CRAWFORD, b. 30 Sep 1865, Warren Point, Co. Down, Ireland.

Sibling 6.  DAWSON CRAWFORD, b. Abt. 1838, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.  Occupation: Civil Engineer. He married MATILDA WILSON 14 Nov 1862 in Registry Office, Liverpool, England..  She was born Abt. 1841 in Co. Fermanagh, Ireland.
Children of DAWSON CRAWFORD and MATILDA WILSON are:
i. JOHN JOSEPH7 CRAWFORD, b. 09 Apr 1864, 104 Kent Street, Sydney, Australia.; d. 28 Dec 1947, Auckland, New Zealand..
ii. ELIZA MATILDA CRAWFORD, b. 14 Jun 1866, 104 Kent Street, Sydney, Australia.; d. 1869, 104 Kent Street, Sydney, Australia..
iii. JAMES DAWSON CRAWFORD, b. 27 Jul 1868, 104 Kent Street, Sydney, Australia..
iv. EMMA JANE CRAWFORD, b. 07 Jul 1870, 104 Kent Street, Sydney, Australia..
v. THOMAS HENRY CRAWFORD.
vi. SIS CRAWFORD.
vii. LIL CRAWFORD.

Sibling 7.   PHOEBE CRAWFORD, b. 31 Jul 1841, Drumgole, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.; d. 23 Mar 1929, Evaline Terrace, Drum, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.  Burial: Kilcrow Churchyard, Co. Monaghan, Ireland.
Never married.

regards

dear chairlady,

WOW thankyou so much!

i am overwhelmed with your generosity of time to help me research my past.

i cannot thank you enough.

i now feel robert hanna and the rev hugh (roaring) getting closer by the minute.

eliza crawford's family from Drumogle and the Rev hugh Hanna from drumogle and eliza's

husband robert hanna from drum.

its all coming together!

thankyou again

kind regards beagle

I would like to join this posting, on the offchance my Susanna Crawford belongs to these families.

Susannah married my Thomas Plunkett in 1800 in the old church Killeevan. Thomas was born Monaghan, c 1775

as per his Army papers. 

Thomas had a brother James who was living in Belfast, in the 1830's along with their father,name unknown unfortunately.

James first wife died in 1868 and her will was proved by Rev Hugh Hanna of Belfast, so I am seriously hoping I fit in here somehow. cheers penne