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Does anyone know Mary. 

?DOB 29 July 1894 in Birr, Offally. Has sister Margaret b? 1887/8. Brother Patrick. The girls came to New Zealand in 1914. Patrick came after Mary married Soren Andersen (Denmark) b.1892, in Wellington.

Parents: Thomas Rigney ?b1831 and Mary Ann Troy ?b1855. NOT part of Flannagan family. There were other brothers and sisters, names/dates unknown. Catholic family. 

Lynda52

Monday 25th January 2021, 09:30PM

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  • Hi Lynda,

    I looked at birth records for Rigneys in Birr (aka Parsontown) by the names you listed--there are several Marys, Margarets, Patricks-- but none of them had the parents' names you gave. I looked in the civil marriage records at irishgenealogy.ie and there were no marriages between a Troy and a Rigney from 1864 to 1890. Are you absolutely sure of the parents' names? Sometimes parents' names on a death record, for instance, are wrong, as they are given by a third party who may have been mistaken. I've also seen a stepparent's name listed as a parent's name on a death record. I hope this is helpful.

    Patricia

    Monday 25th January 2021, 10:09PM
  • Hi Lynda . . . 

    Welcome to . . . Ireland Reaching Out . . .to County Tipperary - adjoining - Co.Offaly . . and to Roscrea Town . . 12 miles from BIRR.

    So . . lets see if we can be of any assistance  . . 

    I read what Patricia has found . . Well done Patricia . . . and . . adding to that I too had a root around . . . 

    and here are my findings . . . 

    When . . on the Search engine . . .ROOTS (paid) . . .I found the folllowing . . 

    Search . . Marriage . . Rigney / Troy  . . . 1884 . . . +/- 10 yrs.   . . .Offaly (i.e Birr ) // Tipperary County . . . NOTHING

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    So then with your input . . of names and poss, dates  . . Offaly/Tipp. . . . I searched for a triangulation of possabilities  .  . .

    and came up with a strong CLUE . . . as follows . . . 

    PATRICK Rigney . . . Born ?? 

    Civil Birth Record

    Name:PATRICK Rigney     Date of Birth:17-Apr-1887      Registration Date:09-May-1887Address:      Ballyoughter     Parish/District: RIVERSTOWN   Gender:Male    CountyCo. Tipperary    Denomination:Civil Record     Father:John Rigney    Mother:Mary Quirk     Occupation:FarmerSponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:Mary Rigney
    Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Not Recorded

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    MARY . . 1894 ??

     

    Name:Mary Rigney     Date of Birth     :05-Jul-1894

    Registration Date:09-Jul-1894     Address:BallyoughterParish/District     :RIVERSTOWNGender:FemaleCountyCo. Tipperary

    Denomination:Civil Record
    Father:John Rigney      Mother:Mary Quirke     Occupation:Labourer

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:John RigneySponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Not Recorded

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    MARGARET . . . 1887 ??

    Name:Margaret Rigney     Date of Birth:10-Jan-1885

    Registration Date:09-Feb-1885     Address:BallyoughterParish/District:RIVERSTOWN      Gender:Female     CountyCo. Tipperary

    Denomination:Civil Record
    Father:John Rigney     Mother:Mary Quirk     Occupation:Cottier Tenant
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:John RigneySponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Not Recorded

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    SO . . Lynda . . . there you have a strong linkage . . to BIRR . . . as RIVERSTOWN . . is a tiny village. . on the outskirts of Birr town

    ( walking distance )

    You have a srong connection to your dates . . . 

    ONLY major difference , , is the Mothers ...Maiden Name . . . 

    It would appear that . . maybe . . the correct Mum . . was a Quirk . . . ??????

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    I further searched for a Thomas RIGNEY . . . born c. 1932 . . . Tipperary / Offaly . . and found the foll.

     

    1832 - in FERBANE. Offaly ( 10 miles Birr ) . . Jan.  . . to Mother - Winnefred Gilligan . . . 

    1828 - ROSCREA  . . . (12 miles Birr ) . . . 27 Jun.    to  Margaret Long

    1836 - Roscrea  .. . . 30 Aug.                                to Sarah Kennnedy

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    Then I searched for a MARRIAGE . . . of Thos.Rigney to MARY QUIRK . . . time frame  1885 (Patrick ) +/- 10 yrs.  NOTHING ( incl. ALL Ireland)

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    Search /. . .  BIRTH . . . Mary Quirk . . . c. 1850 - 1870  . . . 40 . . yes 40 . . . possibles turned up . . Offaly / Tipp

     

    Name:Mary QuirkeDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:14-Jul-1861Address:Not RecordedParish/District:BIRRGender:FemaleCountyCo. Offaly

    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:Michael Quirke Mother:    Margaret Armstrong Occupation:
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:Not RecordedSponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Not Recorded

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    SO . . Lynda . . . 

    Needle in a haystack stuff . . . but . . .hopefully . . you will yet connect the dots . . 

     

    Best I could do . . . my pleasure . . 

     

    Cheers . . . Eamonn.

     

     

     

     

     

    Eamonn M. Horan, Volunteer Ireland Reaching Out ☘️

    Tuesday 26th January 2021, 06:17PM
  • Thanks Eamonn. I strongly suspect you are correct n assuming Mary supplied incorrrect information. Family oral history states Mary had an illegitimate child, before she wed Soren Andersen  (here in NZ). Also (Nana) Mary told me directy she fiddled with her birth dates but I did not question her further about this, So she could have been born earlier than1894,. Margaret was  definitely an older sister as they came out in the boat together to NZ (I have the immigration rrecord for them both) and nana (Mary) talked about Margaret sometmes. Grandad talked about their brother Patrick coming to NZ and living with them (Mary and Soren,) but he threw Patrick out as he was a drunk. I have also had contact from Jenny Vilgoen who believes her grandmother was the iliigitimte daughter of Mary. ( I have had no further information from Jenny,

    So to recap, Mary posssibly had an ilegitmate child and the iniforation on her wedding certficate and immigration record may be wrong because of this. Mary has stated (whe she was alive, that she payed with her birth date ( so what else has she played with I wonder? Havig had a child could explain her coming out to NZ perhaps playing with her parents names.

    Lynda52

    Tuesday 26th January 2021, 09:06PM
  • PS: I wonder if her mothers name on Mary's wedding certificate, instead of beng Mary Troy, was meant to be Mary ??? FROM Troy.

    Lynda52

    Tuesday 26th January 2021, 09:08PM
  • Hi (again) Lynda . . . 

    So. . I had another thought . . about the Rigney // Quirk . . marriage . . . 

    I further searched . . .on ROOTS . . ( havent tried Ancestry for anything yet ) . . . 

    leaving out . . the pairs Christian names . . and only searching for a " Marriage " of those names  . . 1875 - 1885 timeline . . here's what I got . . 

    ( see below)

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    When I search Ancestry . . Birth .. Rigney . . .Birr ( a.k.a Parsonstown ..back then )  around 1838  . . in " Kings County " (back then)

    I find ( an you will see - on Ancestry ) quite a number of RIGNEY births recorded . . . ( maybe one family ???  )

    Given your info. ...I then searched our Census of 1901 . . .Patrick . . would be approx. 16 y.o. . . access Census . . 

    go to . . http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/   . . . 

    go to  . . http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Rathabbin/Bal...

    ( Yes - -  things become very confusing . . . to you . . and to me !!  )

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    Date of Marriage:03-Oct-1878

    Parish / District:LORRHA
    County:Co. Tipperary

    Husband
    WifeName:    John Rigney
    MaryQuirk        Address:Not Recorded   
    Coolross        Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Roman Catholic

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    Date of Marriage:03-Oct-1878

    Parish / District:TERRYGLASS
    County:Co. Tipperary

    Husband
    WifeName: John  Rigney
    MaryQuirk Address:Birr
    CoolrossDenomination: Civil Record
    Civil RecordOccupation: LABOURER
    LABOURER Age:

    Status:Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
    Spinster (Previously unmarried)

    Husband's Father
    Wife's Father Name    PatrickRigney
    PatrickQuirk      Address:  Denomination:
    Occupation:LABOURER
    LABOURER

    Husband's Mother
    Wife's MotherName:
    Address:    Denomination:
    Occupation:
    Witness 1
    Witness 2Name:PatrickReardon
    AnneQuirkAddress:
    Notes:

    MARRIED IN LORRHA CHURCH
    JAMES MEAGHER PP [PRIEST]
    ** NO RECORD OF AGE
    *** NO RECORD OF AGE

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    YOUR ..Rigneys . . .  are hard to place exactly . . . between the proximity of County boundries . . .be they Tipperary &/or Kings Co.

    So . . Lynda . . . for what it's worth  . . . herein is further confusion  . . . 

    which I think . . you . . most likely . . will have to live with . . 

    Cheers again  . . . Eamonn.

    Eamonn M. Horan, Volunteer Ireland Reaching Out ☘️

    Wednesday 27th January 2021, 01:16PM

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  • Hi My Name is Mary Rigney,

    I am 24 years old and my family originate in westmeath but before that my great grandad came from offaly, im trying to do a family tree for my grandad and was hoping, since you are following Rigneys that maybe we could work together. as there was a margaret rigney who was my grandads aunt but she lived in Simons town or fishhook in South Africa but sadly she passed away a few years ago.

     

    hope this may be helpful but please contact me and maybe we can help eachother.

     

    Mary

    Thursday 10th June 2021, 04:15PM
  • Patricia

    Friday 11th June 2021, 01:36PM
  • A Thomas Rigney, 73, whose wife was Mary Ann died in Offaly in 1907.

    See record here: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retur...

    Patricia

    Friday 11th June 2021, 01:37PM