Redmond and Teague O'Fallon/Fallon/Fallin

Hi Lance

I searched births/baptisms on www.rootsireland.ie/ for Redmond Fallon and there were 4 matches - all in Galway and all in the 1860-1880 range. 2 are from West Galway & 2 from East.

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=1&confirmPageView=Y

I need to go through all the parishes one by one to find theirs but it is a long and tedious process - but cheaper than buying the records.

The Tithe Applotments 1823-37 (free online) have 3 Redmond Fallons - 1 in Westmeath & 2 in Roscommon; Griffiths Valuation (free) has 4 - 3 Galway & 1 Roscommon

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=Fallon&firstname=Redmond&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=51&Submit.y=8&Submit=Submit&familyname=Fallon&firstname=Redmond&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=

There are no Redmond Fallons in the 1911 Irish Census (free) but 1 in the 1901 - in Wicklow aged 60 - they're everywhere!!

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Fallon&firstname=Redmond&county=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&educatio

Col

I am also looking for information on the Fallons/Mullooly's of Roscommon.  Bridget Fallon, nee Mullooly was born between 1855-57 and married Patrick Fallon in Strokestown in 1890.  She was still in Roscommon in the 1901 census with 4 children, as the head of the household.  In 1911, she and Patrick were found in the census in Galway with several additional children.  Patrick is said to have died in Roscommon at the age of 84 in 1940.  Bridget death is registered in Claremorris Ireland on 1/25/1948 at the age of 91.  I have very detailed information pertaining to film, file & digital folder numbers, but unable to get burial information.

Because I have no information on what town or parish she lived in at the time of her death, I am unable to locate where she is buried.  We were plannng on touring Ireland this summer & it is my fervent hope to be able to pay my respects to my grandparents.  Any help or direction anyone can give to me, would be gratefully appreciated.

There are 2 records of baptisms of Bridget Mullooly on rootsireland - 1 in 1855 & the other 1857 but both are in Longford.

The records only go to 1920 so can't get a death record for her.

There is a record of her death on findmypastireland.ie but I'm not a member so can't tell you if it has burial info or not; it costs $19.95 for a month.

http://search.findmypast.com.au/search/ireland-records?firstname=bridget&firstname_variants=true&lastname=fallon&yearofdeath=1948&yearofdeath_offset=2

Your local family history centre may have free access; mine does and I'll be on duty there on Wed 9th April so could look then if you like.

I tried various other searches - Claremorris graveyards, irishgraveyards & Memorials of the Dead but to no avail.

Col

Hi Col,

             Well, the thing is, MY Fallon folks were already in North America (in the Virginia Colony) earlier than 1745 and may have arrived (as slaves?) as early as 1656.

We know without a doubt that Redmond Fallon of the Danville Virginia area in Southern Virginia bordering North Carolina, was already in North America by 1745.... this is a matter of public record, a very good paper trail from myself back to 1745.

So, anything in Ireland AFTER 1745 doesn't really help me (except to see where the locations might be of some possible distant relatives of Redmond Fallon).

I really believe that Teague O'Fallon is Redmond Fallon's grandfather ... who arrived in Lancaster County, Virginia Colony in 1656 (right after that whole Cromwell mess).

I'm really more interested in the time period from 1600 to 1745.

Anyway, I really appreciate your response though, it might be a good idea yet to check those later families out ... see where THAT paper trail leads.

I'd also like the Maryland Fallin family to submit a ydna sample to familytreedna to see if we link up with them, and of course any Fallin, Fallon, O'Fallon folks in Ireland ... dna seems to be helping us fill in the blanks.

No doubt about it, my family's ydna is definitely Irish, which of course goes along with the surname. (M222 Western and North-Western Ireland) R1B etc.

grma Col a chara,

                                Lance

Hi Lance

I had another look on www.rootsireland.ie/ for early Fallon records.

The earliest birth/baptism in Roscommon is 1748 - Michael Fallon. there are no deaths or marriages at this time or earlier.

The earliest records in other counties are Charles Fallon death 1728 Antrim and baptisms of Samuel 1727, John 1728, Eleanor 1729 & Charlotte 1733 all in Antrim.

Further investigation of these records led to the discovery that they were all from Glenavy C of I (Charles) or Glenavy and Killead Civil Record the baptisms.

Col

Hi Col,

Now THAT is more interesting. The name of the Parish in the Danville, Virginia Colony where Redmond Fallon settled was called Antrim Parish. I have definitely suspected Antrim (as well as Roscommon) as a possible county of origin.

In Virginia right before the Revolutionary War, Redmond Fallon was on a list of Religious Complainants (didn't apparently like the Church of England, even in the Virginia Colony, everyone was forced to pay a tithe to that church in Virginia at that time, even Baptists and Presbyterians).

Also not that there is a family of Fallon folks in Maryland right before 1745 that were "Quakers".

There is a Charles Fallin in early Virginia but his descendants and Redmond Fallon's descendants don't match up. We have found that Charles Fallin in Northumberland County, Virginia was really a Faelain or Phelan not Fallon. We found this out via dna.

Go raibh m?le maith agat agus sl?n go f?ill a chara,

                                                                                    Lance Fallin

Lance,

You may know all of this:

You were probably looking at the Books of Survey and Distribution (BSAD), which are linked through in the Down Survey Page. The reasons the Fallons disappeared from the relevant parishes between 1641 and 1671 is because their lands were confiscated as a result of their involvement in the 1641 Rising and the subsequent Confederate/Cromwellian Wars (1641-53).

The vast majority of Catholic lands were confiscated after the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland. Many of those who had held lands were transplanted to new lands, in Connaught west of the Shannon (though the Fallons were already west of the Shannon); Hence the expression 'to hell or Connaught'. Some succeeded in regaining their lands after the restoration, which is partly what the Books of Survey and Distribution record. This does not mean that all of the families left; some remained as tenants but would not have been recorded in the BSAD.

You may have already looked at the BSAD, but a digital copy of the BSAD for Roscommon is available here (http://www.irishmanuscripts.ie/servlet/Controller?action=digitisation_b…). While they are no longer listed at landholders, this doesn't mean they didn't remain as tenants.

Redmond appears to have been a common name amongst the main branch and the head of the family was named Redmond at least twoce. The Surname originated in the 10th century

There are references to Redmond Fallon in the Annals of Loch Ce:

LC1588.7: O'Fallamhain, i.e., Cobhthach O'Fallamhain, died; and his son Redmond was ordained in his place. John, son of Thomas, son of David, son of Edmond, i.e., a noble, honourable priest, died.

LC1588.9: The Dubhaltach, son of Redmond O'Fallamhain, was killed by Redmond, the son of Cobhthach O'Fallamhain.

Cam and Dysart are adjacent civil parishes and were part of the original patrimony or lordship - Clann Uadach of the main Fallon Sept. During the Gathering Festival, I visited Milltown, the townland in Dysart Parish where the castle/tower house of the main sept of the Fallons was located  (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,587495,744863,7,3 ) It is now a ruin but was clearly a substantial building, with a mill and a small adjacent settlement.

Redmond O'Fallon is listed in Camma/Cam on page 100 of the BSAD. And an Edmond Mc. Redmond O'Fallon is listed on the same page and as holding lands in the parish of Dysart on page 107. Page 107 also refers to Redmond Mc. Redmond O'Fallon of Milltown. The landholding was partible, so a particular member of the family may have held lands, or rights to lands across multiple townlands and parishes. The parent or grandfather was important, because inheritance rights were often defined by descent from a single male grandfather or great-grandfather - the derbfine or gelfine group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derbfine ).

A Redmond O'Fallon - likely the same man - is also listed in the 1641 Depositions. A somewhat questionable record of atrocities allegedly committed by Catholics and losses suffered by English settlers during the 1641 Rising. It was used both as propaganda and as a means to justify the confiscation of Catholic Lands

http://1641.tcd.ie/deposition.php?depID=830120r098

The castle is a ruin, but the lands are still held by Fallons, who are listed as tenants on the Primary Valuations, and who are likely to have remained as tenants unrecorded from the 17th Century and then regained the lands under the Land Acts in the 19th century.

The fact that Teague went to Virginia in 1656 may suggest that his lands were confiscated during the Cromwellian Interregnum; he may even have been forcibly shipped, as many Irish Catholics were. It is even possible he was directly involved in the 1641 Rising. William Fallon of Milltown was present as a member of the House of Commons at the general assembly of the Confederate Catholics in 1647. The BSAD suggests almost all of the Fallons lost their lands in the confiscations, though some turned Protestant and retained or regained lands. There were Fallon houses at Cloonaugh and Runnimead up to the 19th century. The Runnimead Branch also appear to have been descended from a Redmond Fallon

https://books.google.ie/books?id=161CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA416&dq=families+irel…

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show…

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.js…

You are extremely lucky to have a direct record from this period, as it is extremely difficult to trace individuals successfully from the Irish sources alone.

Hope this helps

Donal Fallon

Donal a chara, go raibh mile maith 'ad!  Ta' bro'n orm ... that I have taken so long to respond.  My excuse is that my brother passed away from Cancer and I was a little preoccupied for a few years leading up to and after his death. 

Anyway, I did know some of that, but not all of it. Thank you again for all of your help and encouragement.  Slainte agus le meas, LFallin