Donnellys of Kilglass Parish

Fáilte Peter

Welcome to the IrelandXO Roscommon Community.

The important thing to note is that, when they baptised their first son in 1868, your Patrick & Brigid Donnelly were residing in "Mullagh" aka Mullaghmacormick (beside Ballykilcline). 

This means that Patrick's father, JAMES DONNELLY ...

(a) is very probably the James Donnelly recorded in Mullaghmcormick (sharing a farm with Peter Donnelly) in 1833 [TA] and

(b) may be the James Donnelly (1803-1867) of Muckanagh [1857GV] you asked about;

(c) was an immediate relative (possibly an older brother) of Laurence Donnelly (1816-1868) of 16a Mullaghmacormick [1857GV] and Peter (1816-1867).

Mullaghmacormick was advertised to let in 1849 (during the famine) suggesting changes in leases occurred around this time. 

NOTE: a Pat Donnelly was informant at the death of the aformentioned Laurence Donnelly (1816-1868) of Mullaghmacormick.

John Donnelly (1843-1926) of Mullagh/ Mullaghmacormick, son of Laurence, married Brigid Flanagan of Corrigeen/Clooncar in Oct 1875. (See 1878 Landed Estates attachments below). This couple are still present there in the 1901 and 1911 census. To determine if their descendants remained on the land  apply to VALOFF  to view the cancellation books for this farm. 

Was your Brigid possibly a Moffit of Kilglass / Roosky?

The reasons why I ask are :

(a) Moffats also had a land-holding in Mullaghmacormick (no house) in 1857, and Donnellys are recorded as strong farmers there [GV]. 

(b) Even though this pair were married in Co. Leitrim (tradition: it should be done in the bride's home parish) Brigid's address is given as "Mullagh" indicating she was residing at Mullaghmacormick at the time of marriage.  (Could be that she was working  there, but some facts need to be established vis. the Moffats connection to that townland).

(c) There are plenty of Moffit godparents living local to Ballykilcline (to include John Moffitt of Drumarley aka Drumman Beg m. ELizabeth Gaffney of Renefarna aka Rathinagh in 1882). 

Mullaghmacormick borders Drumman Beg & Knockhall to the east, Ballykilcline to the south, Barravally & Carrigeen to the west, and Crunkill & Kilgarve to the north. 

How are they related?

The Mullaghmcormick Moffatt and Donnelly farm holdings are the ones you should first investigate (in addition to Ballykilcline). I wouldn't concern myself with the other Kilglass townlands you mentioned in Griffith's Valuation just yet.

Your best bet, to determine kinship, is to apply to VALOFF for copies of the Griffith's Valuation Cancellation pages for the townlands of (a) Mullaghmacormick (1868) and (b) Ballykilcline (from 1870 onwards).  

The minimum information you need to give VALOFF is:

COUNTY  Roscommon

BARONY  Ballintober North

CIVIL PARISH   Kilglass

TOWNLAND 1   Mullagh aka Mullaghmacormick  

TOWNLAND 2   Ballykilcline  (is a funny one as the landlord hold most of the townland here... ask first for any records on Donnelly there first). 

If you can afford it, it's as well to get all pages for both townlands (which are adjascent by the way), because later on, as kinships are realised, you will refer back to them time and time again for other queries. 

From these pages you can see from whom they inherited the land (hopefully) and to whom it passed on. (often times with minor notes that may prove helpful).

Once you have those land cancellation records, you will be able to cross-compare BMD records and the 1901 and 1911 census, and possibly find extended family still living in the area. At that point, newspaper obituaries may also come in handy.

The estate records of their landlord, the Marquis of Westmeath (Greville) have also survived and you may be able to find out about your Donnellys and Moffits by a visit to  the National Archives in Dublin...

• National Archives of Ireland: Encumbered Estates' Court Rentals (O'Brien), Greville, 26 November 1858, Vol 54, MRGS 39/027, (microfilm copy in NUIG) 
• National Archives of Ireland: Papers relating to Greville estates in county Cavan and survey of Roscommon estate of Col. Fulke Southwell Greville, 19th century. M. 3050. 
• National Archives of Ireland: Landed Estates’ Court Rentals (O’Brien), Marquis of Westmeath, Greville, 14 Nov 1861, Vol 63 (30), MRGS 39/03, (microfilm copy in NUIG) 
• National Archives of Ireland: Landed Estates’ Court Rentals (O’Brien), Marquis of Westmeath, Greville, 19 May 1864, Vol 72 (76), MRGS 39/036, (microfilm copy in NUIG)

If you need help interpreting the land cancellation records, please follow up message me to this same thread.

Best of luck!

Rua, thank you for the quick reply and wealth of additional information.  

First, I agree, James Donnelly (1803-1867) of Muckanagh (on the west side of Kilglass Lough) is very probably the father of my GG Patrick Donnelly.  Peter Donnelly (1816-1867) could be my namesake?  Being related to Laurence Donnelly (1816-1868) makes sense.  I have a brother, Paul Lawrence Donnelly.  My father had a brother, Paul Lawrence Donnelly.  

I don't know what to make of a Pat Donnelly being an informant at the death of Laurence Donnelly.  There is a tombstone in the Kilglass cemetary for Edward and Honoria Donnelly and beneath their names John Pat Thomas.  Do you know anything more about this?  Would a nephew of Laurence Donnelly be an informant in his death if his son William named his fifth son, Paul Lawrence Donnelly?  Our Donnellys have a knack for holding a grudge against one another.  My father, Edmund, the 4th son, and his brother, William, the 3rd son, didn't speak to each other for years.  I'm guilty too.  I haven't spoken to my sister for years.

Second, the marriage of Patrick Donnelly and Bridget Moffitt is on microfilm in the marriage records for Mohill Co. Leitrim 04239/01.  Their witnesses are Edward and Catherine Moffitt.  From someones search on Ancestry.com, Edward Moffitt was born in 1801 died in 1883.  Bridget had a sister and brother, Rose and Michael.  

So I'm more sure than very probably that Bridget is from Co. Leitrim and probably working on a relative's farm in Mullaghmacormick.  How else could Patrick and Bridget have met?  

I haven't found in the US Census of the Thomas Donnelly of Ballyfeeny.  

Your advice to concentrate on Mullaghmacormick and Ballykilcline in the next phase of my research.  

Sincerely,

Peter Donnelly

If you are from Ballykilcline, I would suggest you contact The Ballykilcline Society. ballykilcine.com is website.

My family is from Ballykilcline but Donnelly does not ring a bell as a Ballykilcline family.  These families were very tight knit and intermarried both in Ireland and in Vermont where most of the townland emigrated to....those some went to Canada and I think Rhode Island.  Not sure....my family branches all ended up in Rutland where most of the families did go.

But look at their website....the Society may have some insight for you.

Best wishes

Jeanie Lewis

Chicago

Peter HD my 2x great grandmother was esther Gaffney.  I believe we may be related distantly as her brothers and mother madge gaffney was living with a moffat grandson in 1901.  Would be interested in more info

Laura H

I have Gaffney relatives from the mullaghmacormick area and would be interested in collaborating.

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