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I have reached a couple of dead ends in researching my great great grandparents in Emly.  My gg grandfather was Michael Callaghan (b abt 1800)  and his son Michael (b 1838) was my great grandfather.  From the documents I have found I cannot tell if my gg Grandmother was Mary Rea/Reagh/Real or something similar.  It also appears that there may have been multiple unrelated Callaghans in the area and I was wondering if anyone had any information about the family or the town arounf that time

Mike C

Monday 4th Mar 2019, 08:43PM

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  • Mike:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    I looked at the parish register for 1838 and located the record. The name was Mary Rea.

    I searched on FindMyPast.ie and did not see any baptismal records for siblings.

    Record for Emly RC parish started in 1810 so if Michael Callaghan Sr. was from that parish and born around 1800, a record would not exist.

    The 1850 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Emly civil parish shows three Rea records but no Callaghan records.

    https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/tipperary/emly.htm

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 4th Mar 2019, 10:07PM
  • Thank you Roger for your efforts. I have the birth certificate you mentioned but I also have a marriage record for a Michael Callaghan and a Mary Reagh. The timing seems off so I am not sure if either are correct. I also have a birth for Mary with Callaghan/Rea parents in Cashel in 1831 and a John in Emly in 1834. My working theory now is that they moved from cashel to Emly between 1831-34. I have not used findmypast - I will give that a try  

    Thanks again

    Mike

    Mike C

    Tuesday 5th Mar 2019, 07:27PM
  • Hi.

    There were at least 3 births to this couple in Emly (john 1834; john 1836 and Michael 1838). Rea was often spelt Ray or Wray so search using the various spellings. Likewise, Callaghan can be spelt calahan or callahan.

    Hope this helps

    Leahy Rathnaveen

    Tuesday 5th Mar 2019, 08:56PM
  • Hi.

    There were at least 3 births to this couple in Emly (john 1834; john 1836 and Michael 1838). Rea was often spelt Ray or Wray so search using the various spellings. Likewise, Callaghan can be spelt calahan or callahan.

    Hope this helps

    Leahy Rathnaveen

    Tuesday 5th Mar 2019, 08:57PM
  • Thank you.  I was not aware of the 1836 birth,  I have tried every spelling I can think of which is part of my problem.  I will try to get the '34 birth info - sounds like a child who died in infancy

    Thanks again

    Mike

    Mike C

    Wednesday 6th Mar 2019, 04:35PM
  • Mike-

    You probably have this info. I pulled from RootsIreland-

    Name: John Callaghan Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism: 19-May-1834
    Address: Emly Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Unknown County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Roman Catholic

    Father: Michael Callaghan Mother: Mary Rea
    Occupation:

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: Bgt. Rea Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2: Not Recorded
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    Name: Michael Callaghan Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism: 28-Oct-1838
    Address: Not Recorded Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Unknown County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Roman Catholic

    Father: Michael Callaghan Mother: Mary Rea
    Occupation:

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: John Mitchell Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2: Mary Slattery

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Wednesday 6th Mar 2019, 09:13PM
  • Mike,
    Did any of your family stay in Ireland? If they left, where did they go? Do you have Marriage/ Births/ Death dates would be useful. Who did Michael marry? If its the US, sometimes you can find info on death records, marriage records, birth records, and censuses. I have found Ancestry and FamilySearch(free) to be useful.

    Do you know approximately when Mary and Michael died? Irishgenealogy (free) might have a record.

    You probably already tried all of this but I thought I would suggest.

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Wednesday 6th Mar 2019, 09:44PM
  • Thanks so much for your help.  I did have most of that nformation but it reminded me that I want to see if I can find anything on the Bridget Rae who was a sponsor.  I know 'everything' about my great grandfather and his descendents but I don;t know anything about his siblings.  I contacted a dna relatve in Australia and he pointed me to an Honor Callaghan.  She may have been a gg aunt but I can't find anything definitive on her,  I don't know when my GG Grandparents died.  I found an entry in Griffiths for a Mary Callaghan renting a house in Emly so I imagine my GG Grandfather was dead at that time bit I haven;t found anything to document that.  I also can;t find them in the St Ailbe graveyard so I will have to look to see if I can find them nearby.  I have linked several of my dna relatives to my father;s side but I haven;t been able to determine if any of them are Callaghan descendants.

    I plan on visiting Emly for a few hours when I am over there in June.  I doubt that I will have tome to do any research but I am anxious to see the town/area.

    Thanks again for your help

    Mike

    Mike C

    Thursday 7th Mar 2019, 05:03PM
  • Mike,

    Don't be discouraged. I have ancestors buried in St. Ailbe in unmarked graves. Have you researched gravesites/ cemeteries through Historicgraves (free)?

    In 1834, there was a William Rea living in Emly Village. Maybe connected to Bridget? The other sponsor was Mary Slattery.

    There were a John and Thomas Slattery in 1834 living in Ballinvreena, Emly amd a John Slattery living in Ballycurrane, Emly.

    Mary Slattery (maiden name Hanley) could be the wife of John Slattery. They got married in Emly in 1825??

    I was in Emly in 2003. The town is very picturesque and the residents are helpful and friendly. St. Ailbe is a beautiful church.

    Good luck- Mary

     

     

     

    MaryTV

    Thursday 7th Mar 2019, 09:59PM
  • Thanks.  I wasn't able to find anything on the graves site and haven' yet found anything more on the Rea family.  I beleive my family were poor laborers so I am not surpried that I can't find a hradstone anywhere.  The current church was built after my family left but I understand the church hall is the previous church building - I am looking forward to seeing both

    Mike

    Mike C

    Friday 8th Mar 2019, 06:35PM
  • Hi Mike C:

    Thank you for your post and for your information about your upcoming trip.  We have a volunteer who is very familiar with that area who may be able to assist and I have forwarded this query to her.  She should be in contact with you in the next week or two. 

     

    Many thanks for your interest in Ireland Reaching Out.  Please keep us posted about your trip and if there is anything further that you need, please let us know.

    Kind regards,

    Jane

    Jane Halloran Ryan

    Tuesday 12th Mar 2019, 01:29PM
  • Ehank you.  I look forward to hearing from you

    Mike

    Mike C

    Tuesday 12th Mar 2019, 07:26PM
  • I just wanted to let you know that I am exploring the possibility that my Great Grandfather had a brother - John Calahan - who married Ellen Browne in Emly and had 4 children.  I believe Catherine married Denis Daly and lived in Clashdrumsmith.  I haven't been able to find any other information but it would be interesting to see if another branch of my family tree survived

    Mike C

    Thursday 11th Apr 2019, 01:11AM
  • Mike are some files from RootsIreland.

    Date of Marriage: 24-Feb-1857
    Parish / District: EMLY County: Co. Tipperary

    Husband Wife
    Name: John Callaghan Ellen Browne
    Address:
    Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
    Occupation:
    Age:
    Status:

    Husband's Father Wife's Father
    Name: Callaghan Browne
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:

    Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
    Name:
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:

    Witness 1 Witness 2
    Name: Thomas Darcy Peggy Ryan
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Name: Mary Callaghan Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism: 13-Jun-1858
    Address: Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Unknown County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Roman Catholic

    Father: John Callaghan Mother: Ellen Browne
    Occupation:

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: Wm. Mcgrath Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2: Mary Holmes

    @
    Name: Catherine Callaghan Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism: 23-Nov-1860
    Address: Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Unknown County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Roman Catholic

    Father: John Callaghan Mother: Ellen Browne
    Occupation:

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: Thady Hanley Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2: Bgt. Mceniry

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Name: Bridget Callaghan Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism: 10-Feb-1862
    Address: Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Unknown County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Roman Catholic

    Father: John Callaghan Mother: Ellen Browne
    Occupation:

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: James Flemming Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2: Jna. Fahy

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Name: Michael Callaghan Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism: 20-Dec-1863
    Address: Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Unknown County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Roman Catholic

    Father: John Callaghan Mother: Ellen Browne
    Occupation:

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: Patk. Fahy Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2: Julia Bourke
    @@@@@@
    Name: Ellen Callaghan Date of Birth: 21-Jul-1868
    Registration Date: 26-Aug-1868
    Address: Emly Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Female County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Civil Parish

    Father: John Callaghan Mother: Ellen Brown
    Occupation: Labourer

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: Ellen Callaghan Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:

    Notes:
    INF1:MOTHER(X)
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Name: Ellen Callaghan Date of Birth:
    Date of Baptism: 23-Jul-1868
    Address: Not Recorded Parish/District: EMLY
    Gender: Unknown County Co. Tipperary
    Denomination: Roman Catholic

    Father: John Callaghan Mother: Ellen Browne
    Occupation:

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: James Kirby Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2: Bgt. Ryan
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    THIS CATHERINE’S FATHER WAS MICHAEL NOT JOHN
    Date of Marriage: 16-Feb-1885
    Parish / District: EMLY County: Co. Tipperary

    Husband Wife
    Name: Denis Daly Catherine Callaghan
    Address: Clashdrumsmith
    Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
    Occupation:
    Age:
    Status:

    Husband's Father Wife's Father
    Name: Daly Callaghan
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:

    Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
    Name:
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:

    Witness 1 Witness 2
    Name: William Hayes Not Recorded Dwyer
    Address:

    Notes:

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Date of Marriage: 16-Feb-1885
    Parish / District: EMLY County: Co. Tipperary

    Husband Wife
    Name: Denis Daly Catherine Callaghan
    Address: Duntryleague, Galbally Ballahone, Emly
    Denomination: Civil Parish Civil Parish
    Occupation: FARMER FARMER
    Age: 31 Full Age (Over 21)
    Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)

    Husband's Father Wife's Father
    Name: Denis Daly Michael Callaghan
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation: FARMER FARMER

    Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
    Name:
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:

    Witness 1 Witness 2
    Name: William Hogan Johanna Callaghan
    Address:

    Notes:
    PRIEST; MAURICE POWER PP

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Thursday 11th Apr 2019, 12:15PM
  • Thanks for your efforts Mary.  I will definitely get back on Roots Ireland before my trip.  I have mentioned to others how many times the same names and places appear.  I need to do some research on the various witnesses to see if they are or turn into relatives.

    Mike

    Mike C

    Friday 12th Apr 2019, 03:00AM
  • Mary

    Thank you again for your efforts on my behalf.  I had seen the first record but not the second, which specified Michael as the Father and Johanna as the witness.  Michael and Johanna were the names of my great grandparents but they were in Chicago in 1885.  I wonder who the people at the wedding were.  Once again too many people with the same name in the same town.

    Mike C

    Sunday 14th Apr 2019, 12:40AM
  • In regards to Ellen Callaghan, Baptised 23 July 1868 - Informant/Sponsor is James Kirby; James Kirby is no doubt my grgr grandmother's brother. They were residents of Emly. My grgr grandmother immigrated to the USA, but James stayed in Emly with his parents and a couple of other siblings. The name Callahan/Callaghan rang a bell with me so I looked up the baptismal reecords I have on the Kirbys. Michael Kirby born 1833 - Sponsor #1 Dermot Callaghan, #2 Mary Murphy. Another sibling is John Kirby, born 1830 - Sponsor #1 John Callaghan, #2 JNA Callaghan. I also have a copy of the baptismal registry for sibling Daniel Kirby and on the opposite page is the record of an Ellen Casey - Father John Casey, mother Margaret Walsh?, Sponsor #1 is William Callahan #2 Barbara Casey. I would say our families were very familiar with one another!

    My daughter and her husband were in Ireland in March of this year and spent  one afternoon in Emly. They found the gravestone of Daniel Kirby's family at St. Ailbe's cemetery, and had a wonderful time downtown at a local tea room. 

    Now I have thrown more names into your search, but I hope you are successful in your endeavor. Kim B.

    kbender

    Monday 15th Apr 2019, 02:50AM
  • Thank you.  I have not come across the name Dermot or William in my family - more research to do,  I also want to see if I can identify the Johanna who was a sponsor in 1830 and the one who was a witness in 1885

    Mike C

    Monday 15th Apr 2019, 01:52PM
  • Dear Mike C:

    I have been in contact with a local person who has given me the following information for you:

     

    You can access the graves through the Historic Graves website and here is the link to the graveyard in Emly:

    https://historicgraves.com/graveyard/emly/ts-emog

    In addition, Fr Richard holds the parish registers and he can be contacted via telephone at this number:  (062) 57103. 

    If you need any further assistance, please let me know.

    Kind regards,

    Jane

    Jane Halloran Ryan

    Thursday 18th Apr 2019, 11:00AM
  • Mike,
    I was not sure if this census from 1881 would help.

    https://www.libraryireland.com/genealogy/bassett/tipperary/emly.php

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Friday 19th Apr 2019, 12:07PM
  • Jane

    Thank you.  I have searched the Emly cemetary websites and I don't think any of the marked graves are for my family.  Given what little I know, I am not surprised that they don't have a headstone.

    I am also working with someone form the Emly Historical Society and I have emailed Fr Rochford to see if I can meet with him for a while while I am there in June. I am also trying to find out how to add my famiy's name to the emigrant wall.   Do you know if they have death registers for the patis?  All I have seen so far are baptisms and weddings

     

    Mary

    Thank you for the link to the census.  I had not realized the population had fallen so far so fast.  While my great grandparents were gone by then, it does list a John that I will need to research,  I am still trying to figure out where he may have lived and if/when he may have emigrated.  I have book marked the site for future use.

    Mike

    Mike C

    Friday 19th Apr 2019, 03:17PM
  • Jane Halloran Ryan

    Back on March 12 tiy nebtioned a local person would get in touch with me,  I am corresponding with Helena from the Emly Historical Society but I wasn't sure if she was the person you referred to.  Looking forward to my visit on June 21

    Mike

    Mike C

    Friday 31st May 2019, 11:54PM
  • Hi Mike C:

    Yes, the person that I corresponded with was involved with the Tidy Towns committee and she gave the information about Historic Graves.  We do have contacts with the local historical society so I'm delighted to hear that Helena is helping you,

    I will forward this post to one of our vounteer Network Leaders and he might keep an eye on it for you.  Please let me know if you need any further information.

     

    Kind regards,

    Jane

    Jane Halloran Ryan

    Tuesday 4th Jun 2019, 03:49PM
  • I visited Emly on June 21st and had a wonderful time,  Thanks you to John of the Historical Society, Fr Rochford, and to Helena for coordinating the visit.  I will try to post a few photos in the Buildings section

    Mike C

    Monday 8th Jul 2019, 06:49PM
  • Mike,
    I visited Emly the following week. Everyone I met were generous with their time and very gracious. I visited The Kinkead farm in Lackelly. The farm next to that farm was originally the Fitzgerald farm. Although Lackelly is in Limerick, it was considered part of Emly Parish, Tipperary.

    Edmond Michael Fitzgerald (1855-1936) parents were Michael Fitzgerald and Ann Bourke. He married Ellen Kinkead of Lackelly (1858-1917) in 1880. Ellen was the daughter of Samuel Kinkead and Elizabeth Mitchell. Edmond and Ellen went to America in 1880 and when Ellen became pregnant in 1881, Edward sent her back to Ireland for the birth of their son (Joseph) Michael Fitzgerald.

    Edmond was the oldest son so he inherited the farm. His sister, Margaret Fitzgerald, married Patsy Callahan and they took over the family farm when Edmond left Ireland.

    I am not sure during your visit if you found a connection to this Callahan family.

    Take care- Mary

    Name: Michael Fitzgerald Date of Birth: 14-Apr-1882
    Registration Date: 18-Apr-1882
    Address: Lackelly, Emly Parish/District: GALBALLY
    Gender: Male County Co. Limerick

    Denomination: Civil Record

    Father: Edmond Fitzgerald Mother: Ellen Kincade
    Occupation: Farmer

    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1: Edmond Fitzgerald
    Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:

    Notes:
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    Date of Marriage: 03-Feb-1887
    Parish / District: EMLY
    County: Co. Tipperary

    Husband
    Wife
    Name: Patrick Callaghan
    Margaret Fitzgerald
    Address: Ballahone, Emly
    Lickelly, Emly
    Denomination: Civil Parish
    Civil Parish
    Occupation: FAARMER
    FARMER
    Age: 32
    Full Age (Over 21)
    Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
    Spinster (Previously unmarried)

    Husband's Father
    Wife's Father
    Name: Jeremiah Callaghan
    Michael Fitzgerald
    Address:

    Denomination:

    Occupation: FARMER
    FARMER

    Husband's Mother
    Wife's Mother
    Name:

    Address:

    Denomination:

    Occupation:

    Witness 1
    Witness 2
    Name: James Callaghan
    Annie Fitzgerald
    Address:

    Notes:

    PRIEST: MAURICE POWER PP

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    Name: Patrick Callaghan
    Gender: Male
    Age: 55
    Birth Year: abt 1846
    Relation to Head: Head
    Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
    Townland/Street: Lackelly West
    District: Duntryleague
    County: Limerick
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Patrick Callaghan 55
    Margaret Callaghan 46
    Catherine Callaghan 13
    Michael Callaghan 11
    Jeremiah Callaghan 10
    Anne Collins 24
    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Tuesday 9th Jul 2019, 12:46AM
  • Thank you for this information.  I don't know of a link to Limerick but as you say it is close to Emly town. I think I may be at a dead end until I happen upon a dna match who knows their family tree.  Not overly hopeful but it did happen with my wife's family so it can happen

    Mike C

    Wednesday 10th Jul 2019, 02:35AM

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