Confusion about White Family of Greenhall, Killoscully, County Tipperary

Hi,

I checked RootsIreland records (paid subscription) and found the following children born to Henry White and Catherine Ryan and their birthplaces-

Willian 1828 Tulla, Newport

Richard 1830 Cloonlough, Newport

Deni 1832 Gurrane, Newport

Henty 1835  Shallee, Newport

John 1838 Nenagh

Thomas 1842 Nenagh

Articles I found about the Whites and Greenhall

Greenhall | Tipperary | Landed Estates | University of Galway

White (Greenhall & Abbeyville) | Landed Estates | University of Galway

White (Kilmoylan) | Family | Landed Estates | University of Galway

History of Killoscully, in and County Tipperary | Map and description (visionofbritain.org.uk)

Killoscully, Tipperary - genealogy heraldry and history (ukga.org)

Regards- Mary

Hi,

From Ancestry-Catholic Parish Registry

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Dear Mary,

The information you so kindly provided leads me to believe that Henry White and his wife Catherine Ryan,whose children were baptized in the Catholic church, are not the parents of the Richard White whom I'm researching. This family seemed to move progressively northward, may still be in Nenagh in July 1847 at the time of the murder.

The Henry White of Greenhall, who married Mary Rose (daughter of Henry Rose of Limerick City), despite identical naming conventions, seems to be an Anglican (based on reflections of his extended family). It's interesting because when his son Richard White fled after the murder, he sought refuge within ardently Irish Catholic villages in the US.

My research suggests the Greenhall Whites originally descend from old Anglo-Norman stock, prior to the Reformation, and though initially Jacobites, many of whom fled to the continent to join the ranks of Catholic nations, those who remained began converting to Anglicanism around 1700. I was trying to understand if religion might have played any role in the murder (even tangentially) but it's looking more and more like Richard and his cousin shared the same faith. Probably.

Thank you again for your time and expertise. This is a great help.

TL

Hi,

Apologize for the misspelling of Denis and Henrys' names.

Although there is nothing to suggest they were brothers, there were several Whites with similar names that were married in Nenagh around the same time.

1854 William married Ellen Power. They were in the 1901 census for Nenagh. William was a laborer.

1857 Henry married Mary Ryan

1857 John married Mary Meara

1859 Richard married Johanna Whelehan. Richard died in 1894, age 64. He was a sawyer.

Per Irishgenealogy (free website), there was a Henry White, age 79, who died at the Nenagh infirmary/ workhouse. He was a carpenter and a widow.

7201127.pdf (irishgenealogy.ie)

Regards- Mary

The above Richard White's 1859 marriage in Ireland rules him out as the murder suspect. You just save me untold hours.

Now that I know these are indeed two different families, I can concentrate on trying to learn more about Henry White and his wife Mary Rose, as I'm confident they are the parents of Richard White of Greenhall. I'm inching closer, Mary Thank you!

TL,

While I could not find any sons, on Roots Ireland, there are these records for your consideration:

Anna White, 2 May 1824, to Henry White and Mary (surname not recorded), Newport parish, Church of Ireland, residence Greenhall, occupation of Henry is Esquire

Henrietta White, 8 Dec 1830 to Henry White and Mary (no surname), Newport parish, Church of Ireland, residence "Greenhill" - probably hall, no occupation listed.

Rev. J Pennefather performed both baptisms. 

Regards,

Carolyn,

Yes, I think this probably the family of the Richard White I'm interested in. In his brother Henry's suicide note, he even refers to his place of origin as "Greenhall, Newport, County Tipperary."

So as suspected, they are Church of Ireland. Thank you for this information - a new path to explore now.

Best of everything,

TL