RYAN/O'DONNELL

Hi
Have you searched Griffiths Valuation, at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Search for the head of the household, also try the tithes at
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
Also try https://familysearch.org/ some church records available
You will have to trawl through a lot of records to hopefully get some results as Ryan in particular is a very common name in Tipp, try follow the Mullan line for best results if you can find a parish or possible parishes this will open up your search.
Merry Christmas and Best of Luck
Rory O'Shaughnessy
Irelandxo

Thanks so much Rory.

It's a daunting challenge. All of the records here in the states, for James, Rosanna, everyone... simply list place of birth as Ireland. Not one document lists even a county let alone a Parish. I can't be sure I've identified an immigration document because the one I've found has no supporting documents attached to it. Most have a wealth of documents which contain yet more clues. It's been a frustrating journey to date. I've only settled on Tipp due to some inferences I've been able to glean. It could turn out I should be looking in Tyrone.

I certainly have plenty of work ahead of me.

Thanks again

Wow!  Thanks, Tom.  And let me apologize for not responding sooner.  For some reason I was never notified of your post.  This is absolutely awesome and finally gives me something to work with.  I will definitely be in touch.  Thanks again.

Kevin

Tom,

How common is it for records to be transposed?  I ask because the baptism record for James Mullin shows the sponsors as Charles and Rose (Hagan) which is what I show for his parents.  Could it be the parents and sponsors were tranposed either in the original record or when it was uploaded?

If that's the case this would indeed be a major development.  Are the original records digitized where they can be viewed or even a copy ordered?

Thanks,

Kevin

Tom,

Greetings

Further research now leads me to belive James' father may have been Charles rather than James or Patrick.  As I've said the information I am able to unearth here is limited and anecdotal at best.  The Charles and James names repeat throughout the tree in keeping with the Irish tradition.

Also, the 1846 date doesn't appear to work.  He married in 1863 (17?) and died in 1868 at which time he was 31 according to the death certificate.  That puts his birth squarely in the 1836-1837 area.

Interestingly the name Bridget does keep popping up in searches but I have a death certificate and gravestone that supports Rosannah (Roxannah) or Rose as his mother.  I'm left to wonder then if Bridget was her middle name or just a red herring.

Kevin

Update- 2 August 2019  I have found the baptism record for John Ryan, brother of Joanna Ryan who married James Mullen, my 2nd great grandfather. John was baptised in Golden, Tipperary on 12 Apr 1840. Residence is listed as Suirville. Still looking for Joanne whose birth I place circa 1838. I'm hoping to find Rosanna/Rosannah/Roxanna (Hogan/Hagan) Mullen and James Mullen in the same area as it was common for immigrants to associate with others from the same parish or townland. It now appears Rosanna maried Patrick Mullen however she emmigrated without him. Any help along these lines in Suirville, Cashel and Emly, Golden and Kilfeacle would be greatly appreciated.

Kevin

Kevin- maybe you already know this but I’ve had success testing the typical Catholic naming pattern. You mentioned some family names repeating.  Until about 1900 the following was often followed.   First son- named after his paternal grandfather, second son named after maternal grandfather, 3rd son named after his father  1st daughter after maternal grandmother, 2nd after paternal grandmother, 3rd after mother   This typically was not followed long after being in America  I put what I knew in a spreadsheet and then filled in what the parents names would be if the pattern had been used  then looked for records to verify if it was accurate  the process was not 100% but did help me with some records  

Thanks, Dave  I'll give that a try.  Kevin