Lally Family 1800-1850

Hi Stephen,

To really get you thinking there were and still are Lallys and Bretts in the parish of Kiltullagh/Killimordaly about 10 miles from Loughrea...

On the Kiltullagh Killimordaly 1821 Census for the townland of Lisnaherrick (Knockatogher) there was

Lally

James                 48 Farmer/Labourer

Anne Wife            46

James Son         18 Labourer

Wm      Son          22 Jusane?

Pat       Son             4

Sally  Daughter     15 Flax Spinner

Charly Grandson    5

Sally     Mother        86

Pat there may be your Patrick??? Just something to think about...

{Sally Lally buried here in 1833. Ann Lally death/burial 24/05/1832 age nor recorded...there is also an old grave of Dines Lally death/buried 00/00/1772 aged 56 in Kiltullagh Graveyard errected by his son Michael and a Thomas Lally Death/Buried 04/12/1861 aged 61 errected by his wife cecilla Lally}

4 generation of Brett family here in Kiltullagh but only seem to have come in mid 1800's ( seem to have come from Cahernalee, Bullaun, Loughrea). there is one Brett on the 1821 Census of Kiltullagh/Killimordaly that was a Mary Brett, 16 a house servant at Carroroe House, Kiltullagh.

All the very best

Michelle @ Kiltullagh/Killimordaly IRO

Hi Stephen,

If you weren't able to get the baptismal films I happen to have them right now. I am going to the FHS on Saturday and would be happy to see if I can find Patrick James Lally. I will say, I had my first look on Tuesday and they are VERY hard to read (light, small handwriting). Because you have a month of birth it shouldn't be too hard. Just let me know!

Alison

Michelle

I'm sure IRO never told me about your post as I'm usually very conscientious about replying.  The information you gave me last November could well be an extremely important link in my tree.  And I've spent the last year researching, visiting Loughrea, Woodford and Galway archives etc and I'm just finishing my Ireland family history which may now need to be changed.

So be it.  Let me first give a likely link to the family you show.  Freeman's Journal of 19th July 1821 reported a murderer, William Lally, who hacked his grandmother to pieces.  His grandmother and his sister were both Sally.  The ages of William and Sally jnr match.   It happened in Knockatogher.  I think there's a 95% chance that this is the family you found for me in the 1821 census.  You can't read the occupation of William and record it as "Jusane?"  I think the word is "Insane".  

In my searches I've found several individual James, Patrick and Anne Lallys but have never been able to link them to each other and I don't reckon there's more than a 20% chance that they are my family.  But this family you've found I would possibly put as high as 75% certainty that they are my family.  This is because there is a Patrick Lally (age 2 1/2 but in the census as 4), with parents James and Anne and within my search area round Loughrea and with Bretts in the locality.  What is the % chance of there being more than one Lally family within 10 miles of Loughrea of James and Anne with son Patrick born at about the right time?

So this may be the eurika moment but I'm keeping calm.  Because I could find no BMD or census info on my family I've gone on to describe the life and times around Loughrea 1800 - 1850.  I've included two Lally girls from Loughrea workhouse ("Ripley's" ancestors) and another Lally family that emigrated to US from Loughrea.  My work is just about finished at 35,000 words.  Is it time for a re-write?

Many thanks for your information. 

Sorry about the late reply  -  and sorry I've not found Count Lally but maybe a murderer !!

Stephen Lally

Alison

I'm sorry I've not replied earlier to your post.

I've spent many a happy hour squinting at the microfilms at the Mormon church near here.  They are incredibly difficult to read.  My film was copied in the 1980s so probably the technology wasn't as good then.  I couldn't find Patrick James Lally or any other related Lallys in births, marriages or deaths.  I found the marriage of Patrick Lally and Bridget Farrell on 20th March 1817 and they are the ancestors of a lady I'm in touch with in USA.  I reckon that in a small town like Loughrea with only a few Lally families and with people moving about very little, the Lallys of Loughrea area were all probably related in some way.  But can't prove it.

See my reply above which may be exciting for me.

Many thanks for your interest and your help.

Best wishes

Stephen

I am glad that you were able to get a hold of the records. I agree that they were very hard one to read!  I can also report that I have the Killimore parish records from the 1830's right now and it seems that some of the Dignan's were sponsors of several nieces and nephews and may have even lived there. I also noted several Lally families are in the various lists as well. I will see if I can find some names and dates and post them in the next week. Congratulations on your great news!

Alison

Hi Stephen,

I am glad that you were able to get a hold of the records. I agree that they were very hard one to read!  I can also report that I have the Killimore parish records from the 1830's right now and it seems that some of the Dignan's were sponsors of several nieces and nephews and may have even lived there. I also noted several Lally families are in the various lists as well. I will see if I can find some names and dates and post them in the next week. Congratulations on your great news!

Alison

Well, well, well Stephen that truely is some story. Can't imagine how that would have affected the Lally Family at the time, not to mention the other neighbours around. Yes, I think it's a fair assumption to say that William was indeed Insane. It not really suprising then that Patrick would have headed off to London, in search of work and possiblity to excape all this.

Lally's Cannon and Coens are all names I have heard of even today in the Attmyon area of the Parish of Kiltullagh Killimordaly (it would be the Killimordaly side of the parish).

Is this your family on the 1861 census in London? Naming the eldest James William after his brothers and father would be common

Name:Patrick LallyAge:42Estimated Birth Year:abt 1819Relation:HeadSpouse's Name:Elizabeth LallyGender:MaleWhere born:Galway, Ireland  Civil parish:Kensington St Mary AbbottEcclesiastical parish:St Mary AbbottTown:KensingtonCounty/Island:MiddlesexCountry:England

Patrick Lally     42
Elizabeth Lally     40
Jas Wm Lally     12
George Thos Lally     10
John Lally     9
Joseph I Lally     7
Sarah A Lally     6
Mary L Lally     5
Eliza A Lally     2
Agatha M Lally     1

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Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837

Name:     James Lally
County:     Galway
Parish:     Killimordaly
Townland:     Allymon
Year:     1837

Name:     James Lally
County:     Galway
Parish:     Killimordaly
Townland:     Allymon
Year:     1847

[Note: Allymon=Attymon]

Tithe Apploments

Killimordaly Civil Parish
ca 1821-1826

Surname First          Townland
Lally     James         Attymon
Lally     Lacky         Attymon
Lally     widow         Attymon

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Stephen, I'm including here all Lally surnames mentioned on the 1821 Census of Kiltullagh Killimordaly...it may/maynot help1821 Census Kiltullagh

Carnalea    
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Kelly    Daniel        22    Servent                
        Mary    Wife    23                    
        Tom    Brother    15                    
Lally    Honora     M-in-law    

Carraroe    
--------
Little    Robert        50    Farmer, gardener    18            
        Thomas    Son    21                    
        William    Son    19                    
        Michael    Son    16                    
        Robert    Son    14                    
        ElizbethDaughter    12                    
        Anne    Daughter    10                    
        Mary    Daughter    8                    
Lally    Elizbeth    Niece    22                    
Brett    Mary    House-servant    16    

Lisnaherrick (Knockatogher)
----------------------------
Lally    Mary                60                    
Ward    Hanora    Daughter    20    Flax spinner

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Green    John                37    Herd, labourer                
        Hanora    Wife        30                    
        CathrineDaughter    14                    
        Anne    Daughter    8                    
        Michael    Son            5                    
        William    Son            2                    
Lally    Bryan    Brother-in-law    40    Labourer

-------

Mitchell    Michael        40    Farmer, labourer                
            John    Son    4                    
            Mary    Daughter    2                    
            James    Brother    36    Labourer                
Lally        Kitty    Niece    10                    
Brien         Hanora        60    Pauper

Poulatullane
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Coghlan    Peter        37    Farmer, miller    13            
        Frances    Wife    30                    
        Michael    Son    5                    
        John    Son    2                    
        Mary    Daughter    10                    
        Peter    Step-son    13                    
        James    Step-son    10     Apprentice                
        Mary    Sister    35                    
Lally    Michael        25    Labourer                
Geoghegan    Peggy        29    House-servant

Cregville    
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Lally    Pat        48    Cooper, labourer                
        Bridget    Wife    40                    
        Denis    Son    15    Apprentice                
        Pat    Son    11                    
        Jane    Daughter    18    Flax spinner                
        Eleanor    Daughter    5

I'm on email at kiltullaghkillimordaly@gmail.com if by chance I don't catch up on post here.

All the very best with the "new" search

Michelle

Alison

Many thanks for your interest and for looking for Lallys in the records you have.  Any information you can find on Lallys will be appreciated.

Best wishes

Stephen