EGLAS - Where is this and what is the actual spelling?

Hi John,

Thank you for your query on the Aglishcloghane page. You are correct in your line of thought as Aglishcloghane was back in the day known to as Eglas / Eglais & in present day it is known as Aglish.  We are approx 4 miles north-east of  Borrisokane, North Tipperary.  Kelly is a name very common to the area. If you have any further information please pass it on to us & we will endeavour to follow through on it for you & see can we find some living day connections.

Kind Regards

Margueite

Margueite, 

 Thank your for confirming my theory about 'Eglas'.  I will post whatever else known about him but realize with a common name it's a longshot.  Would be nice to someday know what happened to his parents in Ireland.  

Regarding John Kelly, here is the information I do have about him

Born: November 22, 1820 or 1821, Parish of Elgas/Aglish, County Tipperary

Died: December 22, 1890 Akan, Richland Co., Wisconsin

Parents: James (Jim) and Bridget Kelly... no information on bridget's maiden name.

Married: Sara Minahan also of Tipperary but do not know if they married in Ireland or in US

Children: 

Timothy born c 1850 in Ohio, Bridget born c 1853 in Ohio, Sarah born c 1854 in Ohio, Maria born c 1855 Dane County Wisconsin, William born c 1859 in Akan, Wisc., John born c 1861 Akan, Wisc. and Francis born c 1864 Akan, Wisc.

Immigration: arrived New York City about 1848 (from local history biography).

US Localities/occupations: Fort Washington, NYworked on railroad and construction for eight months; Ohio, farming; Bedford, OH,  railroading for two years; Akron, OH, railroading two years; Hudson, OH, farmed for three months; Waukesha, WI, railroading; by 1855/56 living in Dane County, Wisc and by 1858 he was living on farm in Akan, Richland County, Wisconsin where he remained till death in 1890.

Regards,

John

Hi John,

Thank you for the further information, just to let you know we have found a record for Bridget Kelly in the Griffiths Valuation, done approx 1848/50.  We have arranged to visit the local graveyard to try find the family's plot which hopefully will give some more detail. We are also making enquiries through our local parish priest to check the church records & will meet with members of the Kelly family still living in the area to see can they shed some light on the particular family you are looking for.

I hope to have some more concrete information for you over the weekend.

Regards

Marguerite

Marguerite

Thank you for the reply.  I patiently await what might be found and want to let you know I appreciate any and all efforts made, regardless of the outcome.   The Griffiths Valuation mention of Bridget is interesting.  I wish I had more information to give you, but I have exhausted nearly every resource possible here in the US so I hope this pans out.  In any event, the clarification of Eglas as Aglishcloghane is good to know, though I have no idea how it is pronounced.   

 Regards, John

John,

Apologies for delay in getting back to you.  We are awaiting a time & date to meet with parish priest to go through records, we hope this will be before xmas & as soon as we have any further info we will be in contact. Just to note that we have visited the local graveyard. There are quite a few "Kelly" headstones but none seem to have a reference to a "Bridget" but having said that some are quite hard to read due to the fact that they are fairly old & as it was a very rainy day when we visited made it more diffcult.  We plan to go again as soon as the weather brightens up & hopefully we will find something in relation to this family for you.

Chat Soon

Marguerite

Await further updates when you are able...

  John

Hi John,

My Kelly ancestors came from the Aglishclohane area too - from Derry or Dary (which is an anglicisation of Darach=Oak), Rathcabban, which is a few miles from Aglishcloghane graveyard.  This family had a Nicholas Kelly who married a Brid Deane in the 1800s and their son Nicholas married a Mary Foley  in the 1860s or so and their daughter Bridget married a Hogan man.  Nicholas and Mary had about 12 children and there have been lots of Kelly family reunions in recent years.  You might find a link into an earlier generation of these Kellys??

By the way Aglish is an anglicisation of the Irish word Eaglais= Church (which is pronounced ag-lish or eg-lish- I think). I'd say the cloghane means clochan=stepping stones.

You might be interested in irish translations such as can be found at irishdictionary.ie

Hello Marguerite, Just checking up, did anything ever come of the attempt at reviewing the church records for John & Bridget Kelly or did this turn out to be a dead end?  - John

Hi John,

I had forwarded the information that you gave to our parish priest who was to have a look through the records. I will be totally honest with you & tell you that I did not follow through & get back to him to see had he found any information.  The last few months have been very busy for me with my children on school holidays, work & also being involved in organising a Gathering event here that took place here in the village in August.  My sincere apologies & I promise I will follow through over the coming weeks.

Kind Regards, Marguerite

Hi John,

Finally I am coming back to with some information, although I am not sure if it will be of any beneift to you.  The only record we can find in relation to a John Kelly born 22nd November 1821 is a baptism record.  This is the only record that matches the date, there is no record for any John Kelly birth in 1820.  However this record lists a Patrick Kelly & Lucy Quaid as the childs parents & not Jim & Bridget as you suggested.  It also lists a Luke Dillon & Grace Quaid as God Parents.  We have searched the records both sides of 1821 but cannot find any other children listed for Patrick & Lucy, neither did we find a marraige record for them which suggests that Lucy may have been from outside the Borrisokane area & they married elsewhere.

In the Tithe Applotment 1830 it lists a Widow Kelly for Fortmoy & Dara but unlike the Census records Tithe does not list other family members & all Widows where only listed as such with no forename listed.  We have also checked the Griffiths Valuation which does list a Patrick Kelly for Aglishcloghane but again unlike the Census records Griffiths does not list other family members.  The 1901 Census has no listing for a Patrick Kelly in Aglishcloghane.  Also having looked at the graveyard transcripts for Aglishcloghane there is no record of either a Patrick or Lucy Kelly.

They may have moved from the area shortly after John's birth & may have other children but unfortunately at this time I have no lead in which to follow.  If you have any other information which you think may help please do not hesitate to send it on & we can try explore other avenues of research.

I am sorry that I cannot be of any assistance to you at this stage.  There is also the option of contacting the North Tipperary Genealogy Centre where research is undertaken on a small fee basis.

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Marguerite 

Just so you know, I do appreciate your efforts in researching John Kelly even though the results are inconclusive. Although the birth/baptism date seems right in line the names of parents and godparents don't yet connect. I will keep this information, who knows this may be more relevant with more research on my end of things.  

Look forward to visiting 'Eglas' one day!!

Best Regards, John