Looking for my gggGrandfather, James Fitzpatrick (1832-1834)

Hello Kevin - I have a Fitzpatrick Great-grandmother Bridget Fitzpatrick and her father Edward Fitzpatrick from the Cavan village of Glangevlin, the home of my McGovern's. There are other Cavan Fitzpatricks I came across in County Cavan. I will revisit the printouts and get back to you with some townlands. By the way, the name HAND is popular in County Cavan.  Slainte'.

Hello Glangevlin,

Thanks for writing and for offering some help.  I was looking over my records and noted that one document shows James' birthdate as 12 May, but no year specified.  All of my records show the year to be between 1832-1834. Much appreciate whatever you could dig up.

Kevin

My name is Edward Fitzpatrick III. My gg grandfather was Edward Fitzpatrick born in 1834 and listed in the Aghabofg Monaghan Records in a townsland called "Carn". I can't find any verifiable links beyond that as I just started this genealogy stuff last week, but I did find that there was a Michael, James & Thomas Fitzpatrick's in that same townsland around the same age give or take a few years. Perhaps they were brothers? I will do my best to find out and let you know if I find anything that links them (us). 

My line of  Fitzpatricks from today backwards goes:

Edward IV (my son)

Edward III (me)

Edward Jr. (father)

Edward Sr. ( Grandfather) first born in America

Terence Fitzpatrick (G-grandfather) first to emigrate to America

Edward Fitzpatrick b. 1834 and d. in 1894 from Townsland:Carn/Parish: Aghabog/ Co:Monaghan

I know that my GG-grandfather Edward married a lady named Catherine Farmer, from the same place. They had kids named Edward, Mary, Anne, Thomas, Terence and possibly Ellen.

Hello Kevin, Edward and everyone,

I can't help with an instant fix, but I am up there with you on the trail of FITZPATRICKs in this area.  I'm turning to DNA and genetic genealogy to further my search and I hope this will reveal more as time goes by. My great great grandparents were Michael McNALLY & Margaret FITZPATRICK, both born around 1812, reputedly in Co Monaghan, parish unknown,  They seem to have married and had their eldest children in Monaghan, then migrated through Scotland to Northumberland, England UK, having children as they went.  We're very lucky that, on the 1871 census in England, they actually recorded their county of origin, Monaghan, but we have found no definite records for them in Ireland and I' tm not eliminating the possibility that the Fitzpatricks at least may have been from over one or other county border, say Cavan or Tyrone. 

Having no Y-DNA for my Fitzpatrick or McNally family, my only option for these lines is to test my autosomal DNA. (Using companies like FTDNA  Family Finder and/or 23andMe Relative Finder). This is a good option for me, because it shows matches from ALL my lines, and not just the direct maternal or paternal.  No definite answers yet, but I feel I'm gradually homing in on these Irish lines. There is already a match with someone who has a Fitzpatrick line in Errigal Truagh parish in Co Monaghan that may go back to Cavan as well. The idea is to compare notes with with the people you match, eventually finding where you connect as more and more people take the autosomal test. 

I understand now that there is an Ireland-wide DNA testing program under way now, aiming at testing someone from every single parish whose family have lived there for the most generations.  The idea is to arrive at a sort of grid where all parishes have results and if you match one of them, bingo, you have your parish.  As far as I know, that program is initially for Y-dna, the paternal lines, so really only of use to people with fathers with Irish roots, not through female lines.  I HOPE that, as time goes by, either the program will expand to include the autosomal DNA and that so many people will test, that the mesh will be finer and we will ALL be able to home in on our ancestors via this route, since the paper trail dies out.  Now that the price of testing is becoming more competitive, this is becoming a more realistic option. I do realise that it still costs a lot of money at a difficult time and I really only took the test in the hopes of finding my father - but now I have done, I am also very happy with the help the DNA testing is giving me to fill in my extended family background.  I hope VERY much that when more FITZPATRICK and Mc(i/e/a)NALLY descendants test, I'll be able to see the parish and townlands where my ancestors were from and maybe even connect with their descendants.

Katie de Haan, born London UK, resident in The Netherlands

Hi Katie and Edward,

Thank you very much for your comments.  Hopefully we can find a common ancestor. 

Kevin

Kevin:

You may want to check out a townland in Aghabog Parish of County Monaghan called Carn. There was a James Fitzpatrick living there in the 1830 range according to the Tithe Applotments and a few families named "Beggin" which is close to "Bergin"  who lived in the same townsland or the next one over. Carn is the townsland where my Fitzpatricks came from.

Edward Fitzpatrick

Kevin Fitzpatrick
You refer in your early paragraphs above to Hugh who drowned in 1956, but was born c. 1836. Do you want a correct one of those dates for anyone who may be trying to match this up to their research? At this point it looks like you're talking about someone 120 years old.
Helen Sutton

Hi Kevin, I hope you still check this website.

While reviewing records of my own family, I investigated James FitzPatrick & his wife Margaret Began's family in Montreal.

I do not know if we are indeed related, however, this is the information I have:

Edward FitzPatrick, son of Matthew FitzPatrick & Catherine McElroy, emigrated to Quebec City between 1840-1851.

Edward was born between 1823-1825.

Edward had a brother, James FitzPatrick.

Apparently, Edward & James came from Co. Fermanagh - however, no birth records for them can be found.

Edward married Margaret Drew at St.Patrick's in Quebec City in 1855.

On one their son's baptisms, Joseph Sarsfield FitzPatrick b.1866, the sponsors are James & Margaret FitzPatrick. Apparently, James was Edward's brother and Margaret was James' daughter.

When Edward died in 1875 - Joseph was put in St.Patrick's orphanage until he ran away and was raised by his cousin, Margaret FitzPatrick. His father Edward's brother James' daughter.

Thanks for the comments Rob.  I hadn't been on this site since 2013.

For Helen, regarding your comment in March 2018, I had indeed a mistake in the date.  Hugh passed away in 1856 (not 1956).

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

Hopefully you still follow this thread. We spoke months ago.

A DNA test just confirmed that our lines originate from the same man according to the FitzPatrick Clan Society.

Send me an e-mail when you can.

rob.fitzpatrick@hotmail.com