I'm focusing on my gg grand mother, Ellen Doherty-Madden. I'd like to learn who her parents and any siblings were, if there are any current members of her family "out there" and why the first 3 children of Ellen had Doherty baptism sponsors, but the last 3 did not. So here's my story:
Couraganeen RC church was built in 1812 and is located in Co Tipperary, Roscrea Poor Law Union, Bourney Parish, in the townland of Shanballynahagh, lot #6b. As you face the front door of this church, to the right and near the new church (1982) stands a large Celtic Cross Headstone with this inscription:
“Erected by Daniel L & Nellie Madden of Chicago ILL
In Memory of their Father Daniel Madden who died March 31 1878
Thomas Madden their Brother died April 26 1878
Edward Madden their Grandfather died Feb 20 1887
RIP”
Daniel L. is my grandfather and Nellie is his sister. I believe this headstone was erected in 1912 because I have a photo of Nellie standing at the new headstone; also on 4 Oct 1912, arriving at Ellis Island from Queenstown on the RMS Lusitania (sunk by a German U Boat on 7 May 1915) a 41 year old Nellie Madden of Chicago and her age would be correct.
Their grandfather Edward is the husband of Ellen DOHERTY. Ellen DOHERTY and Edward "Ned" MADDEN (my great-great grandparents) married at Couraganeen Chapel on 31 January 1837 and witnessed by (John or Thomas) MADDEN and Ellen LONDEN.
I do not know her parent's name but due to proximity she probably lived in the Parish of Bourney and may have been from Clonakenny, Kyleannagh or Rockforest townland.
May 1829 there is a John Doherty and a Roger Doherty in the townland of Clonakenny in the Tithe Applotments.
Sept 6 1847 and May 1858 there is a John DOHERTY in the townland of Kyleannagh listed in the “House Books”.
1851 Charles Doherty, James Doherty, William Doherty Sr and William Doherty Jr are in the townland of Rockforest in Griffith's Valuation.
Based on her known marriage of Jan 1837, and presuming a marriage age of 23, her birth may have been around 1814.
I do not know when she died but I suspect it was between Feb 1887 and Sep 1888.
The death registrations of her husband Edward “Ned” MADDEN says he was “married” (not a widower) so she probably was alive then.
The 23 Sep 1888 Michigan death certificate of one daughter, Ellen says her parents are dead.
Daniel L. (my grandfather) who erected the headstone at Couraganeen, and a grandson of Ellen Doherty-Madden, was Naturalized in Chicago on March 31, 1899.
His witness was Joseph C. DOHERTY.
Daniel’s address was listed as 738 South Jefferson Street, Chicago.
Josephs address was listed as 16 Arthington Place, Chicago
In the June 1900 Chicago Census:
Daniel L. and Nellie are living at 738 South Jefferson. They are living with another daughter of Ellen Doherty-Madden, Margaret “Maggie” Madden-Egan their aunt.
Joseph C. is living at 978 S Horman Ave. He got married 29 May 1899 and probably moved.
Joseph C. Doherty was born Sept 1869 in Jackson, MI. He is 1 of 7 children of John & Elizabeth Doherty. Elizabeth “DOHERTY” & John “DOUGHERTY” married in Jackson about 1865. I think one of them is related to Ellen Doherty-Madden.
Elizabeth “DOHERTY” was born in Ireland probably in June with the year ranging 1837 – 1846 based on censes of 1870, 1880, 1900 and her April 1910 death registration. Her maiden and marriage name could be the same with various spellings of Doherty or Dougherty.
The 24 Jun 1870 census of Jackson MI shows Elizabeth & John “Dougherty” and their 9 month old son Joseph. Also living with them is Ellen Madden, a daughter of Ellen Doherty-Madden.
The 29 May 1899 marriage record of Joseph C. Doherty, son of Elizabeth, states “DOHERTY” is his mother’s maiden name. (2 months earlier Joseph C. was the witness for Daniel L. Madden’s naturalization.)
The 5 April 1919 death certificate of Elizabeth states her fathers name was “DOHERTY” as was reported by her son, Edward F. Doherty.
John “DOUGHERTY” was born in Ireland around 1826 – 1830 based on the census of 1880 and his May 1888 death registration. My guess is that John came to America around 1851 age about 25. His is first seen in the June 1860 census in Jackson MI and was a saloon keeper then a Baker.
The 6 known children of Ellen DOHERTY & Edward “Ned” Madden and Baptism Sponsors, were baptized Couraganeen RC Chapel, on these dates according to the parish register:
1. “Their Father & Brother” DANIEL MADDEN (My Great grandfather) was baptized 15 Feb 1838, Catherine DOHERTY and Michael Kennedy were sponsors.
On 29 Oct 1868 he married Mary GRIMES of Lisheen townland (my great grandparents) at Templethouy Catholic Church, Moyne Parish, Thurles Poor Law Union.
On 31 Mar 1878 he died at Lisheen townland. His death left Mary a farmer's widow with 5 children, Nellie was the oldest child at 8½ and Daniel L was 2½. Thomas, the youngest died age 10 months, 3 weeks after his father and is on the headstone.
The widow Mary Grimes-Madden remarried 21 April 1881 John MURPHY a widower at Templethouy Catholic Church. The 4 surviving MADDEN children, Ellen “Nellie”, Edmund John, John Joseph, and Daniel Lawrence (my grandfather), now aged from 12 to 6, left their mother and home of Lisheen townland,
about 9 miles northwest to Bourney parish, to live with their paternal grandparents, Edward "Ned" MADDEN and Ellen DOHERTY in the townlands of Shanballynahagh and Corriga.
2. MARGARET “Maggie” MADDEN was baptized 27 Apr 1841, John DOHERTY & Judy DOHERTY were sponsors. She left Ireland about 1865 and on 15 Jan 1877 married Thomas EGAN in Jackson Mich.
Daniel L. and Nellie lived with “Maggie” and her husband Thomas EGAN in Chicago in the 1900 and 1910 census. Nellie continued to live with “Maggie” and Thomas EGAN until both Maggie and Thomas died by Oct 1920. “Maggie” died 12 Dec 1918 in Chicago.
3. ANNE MADDEN was baptized 15 Dec 1844. Anne DOHERTY & James Bennett were sponsors. This is the last time a Doherty was a sponsor for children of Ellen Doherty-Madden and she had 3 more after this. Anne left Ireland about 1865 and is in the 4 Aug 1870 census of Jackson at a Boarding House with her sister Ellen. Anne is age 22 (b 1848) and Ellen is age 18 (b 1852). Both were born in Ireland and work as Domestic Servants. Anne was a witness to the marriage of 2 sisters in Jackson MI; Ellen Madden to John DIGNAN on 17 July 1872 and “Maggie” Madden to Thomas EGAN on 14 June 1877.
In the 3 June 1880 census of Jackson, Anne is living with her sister Ellen and husband John DIGNAN. Anne is age 31 (1849) single Sister-in-Law of John Dignan, a Tailoress, B in Ireland as were parents.
The 1890 Jackson Directory has Anne working at the Jackson Corset Co. She would be 44 by 1890 and I’ve not found marriage or death records yet.
4. EDWARD MADDEN was baptized 18 May 1849, John Harold & Anne Morony were sponsors. He left Ireland about 1865 and is in the Jackson MI census of 24 June 1870 and is a Stone Mason. Nothing else found yet.
5. ELLEN MADDEN was baptized 23 Jul 1851, Dennis and Margaret Harrold were sponsors. She left Ireland about 1865 and is in the 24 June 1870 census of Jackson living with John & Elizabeth “Dougherty”. Ellen is age 18 (b 1852) in Ireland and is a Dress Maker. On 16 July 1872 Ellen married John E. DIGNAM in Jackson. They had 4 children and Ellen died 23 Sep 1888 in Jackson MI.
6. JUDITH MADDEN was baptized Oct 20 1853, Tim Lahy & Mary Ryan were sponsors. Have not yet found any more on Judith.
Thanks in advance for any information or ideas & I really like your web site and all efforts!
Ed Madden
Ed Madden
Wednesday 24th Apr 2013, 12:36AMMessage Board Replies
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Hello Ed
Firstly I would like to thank you for joining our parish group in Bourney.
I read your post and I see you have a lot of research done on your family tree to date. I presume you have all the usual sites looked into in your research. The only help we could give you is on the ground, by this I mean is by asking around in the locality and see if some people can make the connection with the Maddens and the Doherty?s. We know where the Madden house was at the cross near the graveyard. Hopefully we can find something new for you to help with your request.
We are very new to this at the moment so bear with us! We will be having a group meeting soon and we will discuss it and see if we can help you. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the article we used in the history page; I taught you put it very well.
Thank you.
Tim Lee
Friday 26th Apr 2013, 08:41PM -
Hello Tim!
Thank you for your kind remarks and I am delighted to see the Ireland Reaching out project, as well as folks like you "back home" taking your time to assist! I was very pleasenty suprised and honored to see the the history summerary I compiled on Bourney some time ago on this page. Several years ago (2006?) Roscrea started what they called "The Dispora Project" and asked for any information, I sent alot and later was informed the project had been cancelled. Wondered if you were aware of that because whoever was involved with it might have "stuff" that could be helpful for Ireland Reaching Out.
I'm exceptionally fortunate that my grandfather & his sister Nellie erected that headstone, I didn't know about it until 1996! I've made 3 trips of a month long for research in 2001, 2002 & 2006. I attented the 4th Irish Genealogical Congress at Trinity Sept 2001 and over the years have amassed a personal library of about 230 book on Irish History with most of it on Co Tipperary North. I was blessed with meeting so many wonderful folks in Bourney Parish, Roscrea & Thurles.
I very much appreciate your suggestion of assistance "on the ground". I think I have exhausted all the public records and in 2006 I visited 36 "local" area graveyards that I compiled a list of from maps dating back to 1790 and using the book "Archaeological Inventory of Co Tipperary, Vol I North Tipperary". I was specifically looking for any Doherty names and found 10 such headstones. I found these at the graveyards/cemetaries at Cullaun, Rockforest and Rathnavenoge. My computer is being repaired, so I don't have access to my files, but I've been unable to establish a solid link, a few "possibles". I'd be happy to send them to you, if you so desired.
Michael Madden (RIP) of Madden's Pharmacy took me under his wing and spent hours & hours with me tuorting me on Madden's in the area. He said that there were 3 Madden families; his "Pill", those a few doors down from the pharmacy who are bookkeepers "Paper", and "whoever those Madden's were with the big head stone down at Couraguaneen" mine! He even gave me his own file of information he collected over the years from folks all over visiting Ireland looking for their Madden's to make a copy of!
Michael introduced me to Adrian Hewson and we spent lots of time and he was kind enough to let me purchase the few copies he had left of his book "Clonakenny & Bourney a Local History".
Ellen Mortimer was wonderful with her suggestions, assistance and stories. She said that the area across from Couraguneen was once known as "Madden's Fields", probably the area where you say the house was. When I returned to see her on my 2d trip, she greeted me with a big "Welcome Home Ed"!
Ellen introduced me to Jim Kennedy of Clonakenny. Jim was generous with his time and knowledge and after an entire Sunday afternoon he said to me; "You are the first person who actually had a story and information to tell us!' I did get his book "Farewell to the Thatch & Whitewash" published in 2010, very enjoyable!
If I can be of any assistance please let me know. Thank you for taking on the project "at home", it means a lot to very many decendants.
warmest regards,
Ed
Ed Madden
Saturday 27th Apr 2013, 12:32AM -
Hello Tim!
Thank you for your kind remarks and I am delighted to see the Ireland Reaching out project, as well as folks like you "back home" taking your time to assist! I was very pleasenty suprised and honored to see the the history summerary I compiled on Bourney some time ago on this page. Several years ago (2006?) Roscrea started what they called "The Dispora Project" and asked for any information, I sent alot and later was informed the project had been cancelled. Wondered if you were aware of that because whoever was involved with it might have "stuff" that could be helpful for Ireland Reaching Out.
I'm exceptionally fortunate that my grandfather & his sister Nellie erected that headstone, I didn't know about it until 1996! I've made 3 trips of a month long for research in 2001, 2002 & 2006. I attented the 4th Irish Genealogical Congress at Trinity Sept 2001 and over the years have amassed a personal library of about 230 book on Irish History with most of it on Co Tipperary North. I was blessed with meeting so many wonderful folks in Bourney Parish, Roscrea & Thurles.
I very much appreciate your suggestion of assistance "on the ground". I think I have exhausted all the public records and in 2006 I visited 36 "local" area graveyards that I compiled a list of from maps dating back to 1790 and using the book "Archaeological Inventory of Co Tipperary, Vol I North Tipperary". I was specifically looking for any Doherty names and found 10 such headstones. I found these at the graveyards/cemetaries at Cullaun, Rockforest and Rathnavenoge. My computer is being repaired, so I don't have access to my files, but I've been unable to establish a solid link, a few "possibles". I'd be happy to send them to you, if you so desired.
Michael Madden (RIP) of Madden's Pharmacy took me under his wing and spent hours & hours with me tuorting me on Madden's in the area. He said that there were 3 Madden families; his "Pill", those a few doors down from the pharmacy who are bookkeepers "Paper", and "whoever those Madden's were with the big head stone down at Couraguaneen" mine! He even gave me his own file of information he collected over the years from folks all over visiting Ireland looking for their Madden's to make a copy of!
Michael introduced me to Adrian Hewson and we spent lots of time and he was kind enough to let me purchase the few copies he had left of his book "Clonakenny & Bourney a Local History".
Ellen Mortimer was wonderful with her suggestions, assistance and stories. She said that the area across from Couraguneen was once known as "Madden's Fields", probably the area where you say the house was. When I returned to see her on my 2d trip, she greeted me with a big "Welcome Home Ed"!
Ellen introduced me to Jim Kennedy of Clonakenny. Jim was generous with his time and knowledge and after an entire Sunday afternoon he said to me; "You are the first person who actually had a story and information to tell us!' I did get his book "Farewell to the Thatch & Whitewash" published in 2010, very enjoyable!
If I can be of any assistance please let me know. Thank you for taking on the project "at home", it means a lot to very many decendants.
warmest regards,
Ed
Ed Madden
Saturday 27th Apr 2013, 12:47AM -
Ed - Made a post some time ago on an Irish Genealogy website (had interval computer crash & lost that address) about your breakdown of NE Tipperary, in particular Bourney/Corbally & environs. For your explanations & O'Rian's volume, "Dunkerrin: a Parish in Ely O'Carroll" with overlapping areas, I shall be eternally grateful. It is only after mulling over your info & all that I had that I had a recent (today) "...aha..." moment. I think that my family's "Barna" is actually Bourney/Bournea. Please see my post of today "Bergin-Curley - Rathnaveogue, Tipperary". Noted your statement about your 200+ library. You should check out both WWW.Archive.org & www.books.Google.com . You may find such titles as Lewis's, Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, 2 vols., as well as the numerous Reportsof the Deputy Keeper of Records, Ireland, loaded with regional genealogic tidbits (like the fines on Catholics for not attending C of I services)all free & in *.pdf format. I have amassed an Irish Library of some 1800 volumes from these sources. I should tell you that these volumes are all out of copyright at this time. However, I think that "Google Books" will, at some future date try to obtain rights to these books, so get busy and download what you can find. Again, thanks for your explanation of the North Tipp administrative divisions. Look forward to hearing any suggestions from you & the Bourney parish, IrelandXO Team have to give me.
John Bergin
John Regis Bergin
Monday 12th Aug 2013, 06:32PM