TRACING WELBYS FROM Ower, kilannin

Hi Mary,

My name is Daniel Welby and I have been researching the Welby family name since 1976 trying to trace the parents and siblings of my great great grandfather Patrick Welby who was born in Kilcummin, Oughterard about 1834/35. So far no luck. However because of my research I registered the surname with the Guild of One Name Studies in London. You can see my profile at http://www.one-name.org/profiles/welby.html) which will give you an idea of what information I have.

In answer to your question about Bridget Welby, I have an extract from a Church Marriage Record dated 5 Jul 1859 from the parish Kilcummin Oughterard with the husbands name as Bartholomew McAuley marrying Bridget Welby. It also just lists the surnames of both the fathers and no mothers name and the witnesses as John McDonough & Margaret Welby.  The second entry that I have, again Church Marriage Record,  is for 2 May 1859 in Moycullen of a Owen Hurney marrying Bridget Welby. Listing just fathers surname no mothers name and witnesses Patrick Hurney & Margaret Connolly.

The first one is more nearer the the information that you have mentioned but whether it is just a spelling mistake I don't know. It is more than likely that another Bridget Welby that married Bartholomew Molloy but I do not have that infornation. Do you have any other information about her or any other Welby's that you have come across? I have quite a few stray Irish Welby's I am trying to tie up together.

You mentioned that you had researched the Molloy family line. Do you have any information or came across a Patrick Welby marrying a Mary Molloy probably around late 1880's? They had that I know of at the moment 3 children Martin (b.1893), Anne (b.1905) & Norah (b.1909) Or a Robert Welby marrying Mary Molloy in 1936. They had about 5 children. Or Mary Welby marrying Michael Molloy on 26 Jan 1880 and finally Lee Andre WELLBY marrying Vanessa J Molloy in 2002 in England?. all the others took place in Ireland.

Any information that you might have on Welby's would be gratefully appreciated. I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks,

Daniel Welby

PS Some spelling variations of Molloy: Maloy, Melloy, Mulloy, Muloy, Melley

Hi Daniel,

Thank you very much for your response.

I think that the first Bridget Welby you mention is in fact my great grandmother, despite the different family name. I assume that it was incorrectly transcribed at some stage. Some of the Church Records are particularly difficult to read.Assuming this to be so: Bridget and Bartholomew lived in Tullykyne, Moycullen and they had Hugh 1860, Michael 1861, Patrick 1864,Margaret 1866, Mary 1869 who was my grandmother, Judith 1872, and Bridget 1877. Patrick stayed in the homestead and married Margaret Faherty. The had Bartholomew 1903, Bridget 1906, John 1907, Mary 1908 and Tom 1912. Mary married Robert Welby in 1936 and they had at least one son, Robert. 

According to the Tithe Applotments, there were 3 entries for 1829 Two Michaels and a Frances. By 1855, there were 22 households listed in Griffiths Valuations. Welby is an English name from Lincoln I think. What took them to Co Galway?

I have only come accross the others you mention when researching familysearch.org, the Mormon website, based at Kew Archives at the moment. I have not been able to make any connections.I have not come accross Lee Andre Welby.

A cousin who lived in Bosto, Mass. remembered an Anne Welby visiting when she was a child in the 1930s/40s but I have not been ablet to  place her.

I shall look back over my notes and will send anything that appears relevant.

Good luck!

All good wishes.

Mary

Dear Mary,

Thank you for your reply and the information about the Molloy side of your family. Am I correct in understanding that from your side of the family of Bridget & Bartholomew they had Patrick who married Margaret Faherty with whom they had Mary who married Robert Welby? If so I can tell you that Mary and Robert had 5 children that I have found. Patrick 1938, Robert 1939, Margaret A 1941, Thomas 1943 & Bridget P 1947. If that is correct, at least I can combine those two separate files together. If you would like a copy of the church marriage record of Bridget & Bartholomew, let me know and I can attach it to the next email. Please note I got it from rootsireland.ie, incase you already have it.

What I had forgotten to do in my own search is to check other spellings and have the following: Patrick Welby (1865) marrying a Mary Malloy (1872) not known when,  but they had at least 3 children as well as a Mary Welby (1853) marrying John Malloy (1842) on 11 Nov 1880 in Easthampton Mass. USA. A relation to your cousin in Mass.?

In answer to your question how the Welby's got to Ireland is family rumour on my side, that during Henry VIII reign, with the split of the church those that wanted to remain Catholic and escape him went to Ireland and the others stayed in England as Church of England faith. Not to forget also Cromwell also sent a big army to Ireland as well so they may have come from either one. I have not yet found when that happen in my Welby research which does go back to that point. The name certainly goes back to 1100 and to Welby in Lincolnshire as well as Welby in Leicestershire.

Thanks again and best wishes,

Daniel

Dear Daniel,

Thank you for your reply. Yes, Patrick Molloy married Margaret Faherty and their daughter, Mary, married Robert Welby.

Thank you for offering to send Church Record   for Bridget and Bartholomew from irishroots. I  have that one. It was interesting to read about the possible reasons for Welbys settling in Galway. I did find a number in the familysearch.org wesite.who belonged to The Church of Ireland. I assumed that my great grandmother was R.C. but of course, I don't know for sure.

I shall send another possible link to your email.

All good wishes.

Mary

Hello there, my mother is actually from Ower and she says that the only Welby she knew from the area was a Miles Welby. She doesn't know much about they're family history but she has stories about Miles. He died unmarried sometime in the 1980s and she thinks that he may still have relatives living closer to Moycullen town now. Apparently his father was also called Miles and the house was "down the back fields" (not on the main road). As children in the 1960s, my mother and her siblings used to go down to Miles'  house to watch TV as he was the only one in the village who had one. He also used to drive my mother into her job in Galway city in the late 1970s / early 1980s as again he was one of the few people around with a car. Ower itself is to this day a very rural area with just a scattering of houses on medium quality land surrounded by an expanse of bog. If you would like to find out where the house was i will try to do up a map for you. Hope this helps.

Hello there, my mother is actually from Ower and she says that the only Welby she knew from the area was a Miles Welby. She doesn't know much about they're family history but she has stories about Miles. He died unmarried sometime in the 1980s and she thinks that he may still have relatives living closer to Moycullen town now. Apparently his father was also called Miles and the house was "down the back fields" (not on the main road). As children in the 1960s, my mother and her siblings used to go down to Miles'  house to watch TV as he was the only one in the village who had one. He also used to drive my mother into her job in Galway city in the late 1970s / early 1980s as again he was one of the few people around with a car. Ower itself is to this day a very rural area with just a scattering of houses on medium quality land surrounded by an expanse of bog. If you would like to find out where the house was i will try to do up a map for you. Hope this helps.

Dear Paul, Thank you very much for  your communiation: the first with a direct link to Ower.

There are 3 Welby  households listed in the 1901 and 1911 census in Ower. I have not been able to establish if they were related to each other or to my greatgrandmother, Bridget Molloy nee Welby, who was in Tullykyne, Moycullen for both census.

There is no Myles/ Miles Welby listed. Can we assume that the Myles your mother remembers was born after 1911? I dont know if there are any Welbys living in Ower now.

Mary Molloy, granddaughter of Bridget Molloy,nee Welby, married a Robert Welby in 1936.

I would be most grateful for a map  if your time allows.

Many thanks for your help. Mary

Dear Paul, Thank you very much for  your communiation: the first with a direct link to Ower.

There are 3 Welby  households listed in the 1901 and 1911 census in Ower. I have not been able to establish if they were related to each other or to my greatgrandmother, Bridget Molloy nee Welby, who was in Tullykyne, Moycullen for both census.

There is no Myles/ Miles Welby listed. Can we assume that the Myles your mother remembers was born after 1911? I dont know if there are any Welbys living in Ower now.

Mary Molloy, granddaughter of Bridget Molloy,nee Welby, married a Robert Welby in 1936.

I would be most grateful for a map  if your time allows.

Many thanks for your help. Mary

Hi Mary,

Just seen the correspondence between you and Paul. I have 5 Myle Welby's in my files though not much information but this is what I have.

1. There was a Myles Welby who died in the district of Oughterard in 1889, aged as listed in the records 80 making him born about 1809. Nothing else on him.

2. I have a Myles Welby born in 1888 in Oughterard and died 14 Dec 1975 also in Oughterard. This could be the Myles Welby who married Catherine Curley in 1911. They had that I know of 9 children including one Myles born 11 Mar 1927.

3. Then I have Myles Welby marrying Jean L Deeley in 1965 in Birmingham and they had two children. I suspect that he is from Ireland but not having a marriage certificate to see who his father is I have no idea.

4. Under the spelling of Miles now I have a marriage record of Miles Welby marrying on 5 Nov 1791 in Moycullen. Unfortunately it does not mention his wife's name.

5. Marriage record of Miles Welby marrying Mary Madden on 12 Jan 1862 also Moycullen. I know of one child that they had Patrick Welby chr. 30 Mar 1862 in Moycullen

6. From the marriage record of Michael Welby (born in 1849) to Mary Conneely on 11 Mar 1885 in Oughterard his father is listed as Miles.

7. Finally a Miles Welby born about 1860 in Ireland who moved to USA and married a Mary Derrig, as listed in 1900 US census record. They had 5 or 6 children depending whether Francis Welby could also be Miles Frank Welby.

Hopefully something from this might help you.

Regards,

Daniel

Thank you very much Daniel for the above information re Myles/Miles Welby. Even though the Miles mentioned by Paul lived in Ower, I am unable to make any connections. The name Miles/ Myles  has not been repeated in our branch: Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.  Bartholomew Molloy's and Bridget Welby's sons were Hugh 1860... a Molloy name, Michael 1861 and Patrick 1864. I do not have any info. re Hugh or Michael. Patrick lived in the homestead in Tullykyne..The 1901 census lists a Myles, Aged 14 yrs, a servant living with a Walsh family in Largan, Donnaghpatrick parish. His age suggests that he was born 1887/ 1888. The Miles known to Paul's mother did not marry and lived in Ower until his deatth.

There is a haulage company listed In Moycullen and one of the Directors is Myles Welby.

Your help is much appreciated Daniel. Thank you. Mary

Thank you very much Daniel for the above information re Myles/Miles Welby. Even though the Miles mentioned by Paul lived in Ower, I am unable to make any connections. The name Miles/ Myles  has not been repeated in our branch: Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.  Bartholomew Molloy's and Bridget Welby's sons were Hugh 1860... a Molloy name, Michael 1861 and Patrick 1864. I do not have any info. re Hugh or Michael. Patrick lived in the homestead in Tullykyne..The 1901 census lists a Myles, Aged 14 yrs, a servant living with a Walsh family in Largan, Donnaghpatrick parish. His age suggests that he was born 1887/ 1888. The Miles known to Paul's mother did not marry and lived in Ower until his deatth.

There is a haulage company listed In Moycullen and one of the Directors is Myles Welby.

Your help is much appreciated Daniel. Thank you. Mary

Hey Mary, here are the maps highlighting Miles Welby's old house in Ower hopefully you can make them out. The house is 2 stories which is quite rare in the area (out of the older buildings) and doesn't seem to feature on the historic 6 inch maps which indicate that the house wasn't built until sometime after c. 1842. The house is still occupied now but I am not sure of the family's name. I really know no more about Miles or the Welbys in general to be honest but my mother feels they may have married into the area given the lack of Welbys there now and even back then. She also feels that his relatives were from or at least living in Moycullen. Other Welby's can be found in Laghtgannon and Portacarron as well as Oughterard and beyond. Sorry I don't have anything more specific. And hope the location of the house might be of interest. 

Paul

Thank you very much Paul for the maps. I hope to visit the  area next year and they will be useful. The Tithe Applotments list.

does not list any Welbys in Ower or in Kilannin. There is a Michael Welby listed for Bellagelly, Kilcummin. By 1855 there is a Thomas Welby living in Ower and listed in Griffiths Valuations.Your mother may well be right in suggesting that the Welbys married in.

The name Myles has not been repeated in our branch; Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.....the latter from Annaghdown.

Thank you again for your kindness and helpfulness Paul.

All good wishes.

Mary

Thank you very much Paul for the maps. I hope to visit the  area next year and they will be useful. The Tithe Applotments list.

does not list any Welbys in Ower or in Kilannin. There is a Michael Welby listed for Bellagelly, Kilcummin. By 1855 there is a Thomas Welby living in Ower and listed in Griffiths Valuations.Your mother may well be right in suggesting that the Welbys married in.

The name Myles has not been repeated in our branch; Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.....the latter from Annaghdown.

Thank you again for your kindness and helpfulness Paul.

All good wishes.

Mary

Thank you very much Paul for the maps. I hope to visit the  area next year and they will be useful. The Tithe Applotments list.

does not list any Welbys in Ower or in Kilannin. There is a Michael Welby listed for Bellagelly, Kilcummin. By 1855 there is a Thomas Welby living in Ower and listed in Griffiths Valuations.Your mother may well be right in suggesting that the Welbys married in.

The name Myles has not been repeated in our branch; Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.....the latter from Annaghdown.

Thank you again for your kindness and helpfulness Paul.

All good wishes.

Mary

Thank you very much Paul for the maps. I hope to visit the  area next year and they will be useful. The Tithe Applotments list.

does not list any Welbys in Ower or in Kilannin. There is a Michael Welby listed for Bellagelly, Kilcummin. By 1855 there is a Thomas Welby living in Ower and listed in Griffiths Valuations.Your mother may well be right in suggesting that the Welbys married in.

The name Myles has not been repeated in our branch; Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.....the latter from Annaghdown.

Thank you again for your kindness and helpfulness Paul.

All good wishes.

Mary

Thank you very much Paul for the maps. I hope to visit the  area next year and they will be useful. The Tithe Applotments list.

does not list any Welbys in Ower or in Kilannin. There is a Michael Welby listed for Bellagelly, Kilcummin. By 1855 there is a Thomas Welby living in Ower and listed in Griffiths Valuations.Your mother may well be right in suggesting that the Welbys married in.

The name Myles has not been repeated in our branch; Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.....the latter from Annaghdown.

Thank you again for your kindness and helpfulness Paul.

All good wishes.

Mary

Thank you very much Paul for the maps. I hope to visit the  area next year and they will be useful. The Tithe Applotments list.

does not list any Welbys in Ower or in Kilannin. There is a Michael Welby listed for Bellagelly, Kilcummin. By 1855 there is a Thomas Welby living in Ower and listed in Griffiths Valuations.Your mother may well be right in suggesting that the Welbys married in.

The name Myles has not been repeated in our branch; Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.....the latter from Annaghdown.

Thank you again for your kindness and helpfulness Paul.

All good wishes.

Mary

Thank you very much Paul for the maps. I hope to visit the  area next year and they will be useful. The Tithe Applotments list.

does not list any Welbys in Ower or in Kilannin. There is a Michael Welby listed for Bellagelly, Kilcummin. By 1855 there is a Thomas Welby living in Ower and listed in Griffiths Valuations.Your mother may well be right in suggesting that the Welbys married in.

The name Myles has not been repeated in our branch; Welby/ Molloy/ O'Neill.....the latter from Annaghdown.

Thank you again for your kindness and helpfulness Paul.

All good wishes.

Mary

You're very welcome Mary. I actually have a few more nuggets of information for you. Myles actually lived with his brother Frank who suffered from down's syndrome. Their father was also called Myles and was known for making tools (shovels etc). Interestingly, there was actually another Welby living in Ower in the house to the left of the one marked on the maps I sent. Apparently, a Julia Welby lived there with a man (surname Lydon) although I don't believe they were in a relationship. That house was a small thatched cottage with some apple trees out front (as my mother and her siblings used to steal apples regularly apparently). Given Julia's age it is quite likely that she could have actually been sister to the older Myles and kept the house because she was unmarried. Myles could then have built his newer 2 storey house when he got married and had his two sons: Myles and Frank. Pure speculation but it does seem quite likely.

So keep an eye out for both houses when you come visit and don't worry there should be plenty of people still in the village who might have more information than that.

Best of luck and feel free to ask any other questions you may have.

Paul.

Final note is that Julia Welby lived with a Joe Lydon who was actually her nephew and he and his family were from Tullykyne so that might be a good link. Joe's mother was Mag Lydon and she lived in Tullykyne with another son called Martin. 

Thank you very much Paul for the above. I assume that Margaret Lydon was nee Welby? She is buried with her husband, Thomas, and two sons, Joe and Martin, in Mycullen Cemetery R.I.P.Both sons died in 1993.

  There may  well be a connection between my greatgrandmother, Bridget Welby, and a Lydon family. A William Lydon was Godfather to two Molloy sons.

Again, your help is greatly appreciated. Mary

You are very welcome Mary, it was my pleasure. If you do come over, get in touch and i might be able to help organise a meeting with somebody who knew Myles and everybody else mentioned personally.

Hi, my name is Sean Molloy and I think I am related to this chain of Molloys/Welbys. Would love to chat more if someone has been able to map the family tree. My rudimentary research only goes back to my great grandparents so this would all be new. I see this thread is from 2014, so not sure if anyone is still watching it?

Sean

Hello Sean,

Thank you for your email. I would love to learn where you fit in the Molloy/ Welby line. I have made little progress since 2014 but maybe  we can piece it together? I look forward to hearing from you. Mary My line is:Great Grandparents Bridget Welby and Bartholomew Molloy. Grandmother was Mary Molloy. She had siblings. Hugh, Michael, judith, Margaret and Bridget . hope this provides a context for you Sean, Mary

Hi Mary,

My tree is My grandfather was Bart Molloy and Grandmother was Nora Curran. Great grandparents on the Molloy side were Patrick and Margaret Molloy. On the Curran side were John and Barbara Curran.

I believe there were two groups of Molloys in Tullykyne.....

Sean

Wow that is very crazy. Nice to meet you! My dad is one of those children of Nora and Bartley. My two uncles are in Galway along with my Aunt. My dad (the fourth sibling) moved to Canada in 1967. He passed away in Toronto in 2006. His name was John (Sean). 

Hello Sean,

How are you? I thought I had replied to your message at the time and now find I did not: I am sorry and now assume that something went wrong with process.

How have you progressed in your search? I have many gaps still but hope that as more records become available, we may find the answers. Please feel free to contact me if you think I can help. I trust that you and your family are well. 

Kind regards. 

Mary Conlin

Hello Sean,

How are you? I thought I had replied to your message at the time and now find I did not: I am sorry and now assume that something went wrong with process.

How have you progressed in your search? I have many gaps still but hope that as more records become available, we may find the answers. Please feel free to contact me if you think I can help. I trust that you and your family are well. 

Kind regards. 

Mary Conlin