Adam Loudon or Louden and Mary Kinloch

Janet,

Statutory registration of marriages started in Ireland in April 1845 (save for RC marriages which were only recorded after 1864). So Adam & Mary?s marriage was before that date and you won?t find a statutory marriage certificate for them. You might find the marriage in church records but to do that you usually need to know where it took place. (Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church).

Death (and birth) registration didn?t start till 1864, so if Adam died before that, you won?t find a statutory record of his death.

I looked at the Braid website which lists gravestones in the Ballymena area, but there are no Loudon/Loudens there at all. Indeed looking at the 1901 census it doesn?t appear to be a common name in that immediate area. (It was found a little further north nearer Ballymoney). There weren?t any Kinloch gravestones either. How sure are you the families came from Ballymena?

http://thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx

If Mary married Edward Porter between 1853 ? 1861, and it wasn?t an RC ceremony, it should appear in the Irish stat records but I cannot see it. Nor can I see a marriage for them on Scotlandspeople site. Did they have any children born in Scotland in 1855 or from 1861 onwards? If so, the children?s birth certificates will record the date and place of their marriage.

I see a death on Scotlandspeople for Mary Porter in Bo?ness in 1903, aged 82. Previous name is Kinloch. I assume that?s Mary?s death. It?s always worth checking all Scottish censuses to see if an exact place of birth is given. Sometimes you get more than just ?Ireland.?

If you can?t find the date and place of the 2^nd marriage from birth certificates, but you are sure the children to the first marriage were born in Ballymena, you could search the church records for that area to try and trace the family that way. I suspect they were Presbyterian or perhaps Church of Ireland. Not all the records for those denominations are on-line. Copies are held in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. However a personal visit is required to access them.

Elwyn

Thank You Elwyn for all your information.  Re The Loudons/Loudens, an ancestry contact who is in Australia said her Father who knew the Loudon's always said they came frpom Ballymena but wondering if maybe she has picked it up incorrectly and is Ballymoney other than this I have no idea.

Mary Kinloch and Edward Porter did have one child in Scotland but no marriage details were recorded on the birth certificate.

So, think maybe I am @ at dead end until I can confirm where they came from.

Thank You Again for taking the time to reply.

Kindest Regards

Janet

You say that Mary & Edward had a child in Scotland but no marriage details were recorded on the birth cert. The marriage details were routinely recorded on birth certs in 1855 and then from 1861 onwards. (Just not in the years 1856 to 1860). If the child was born in the years when those details were recorded, but no marriage details appear on the birth cert, then that would suggest the parents weren?t married. Could that be so?

Hi

Going back over my info and doing some more searching, I have discovered that Adam Porter born abt 1865 was in fact the son of Mary Kinloch and Adam Loudon's Daughter Martha.  I had mixed up my Adam's. As far as I am aware now Edward and Mary did not have any children. 

On the 1871 Scotland Census Adam Porter was shown as the son of Edward Porter and Mary but looking @ the 1881 Scotland census he is shown as Adam Louden  the Grandson, Mother's Name Martha. (Martha Never Married).

However I have been unable to trace a birth record but as he is Martha's child and not Edward and Mary's it is not going to help.

Here are the details of Adam Loudon and Mary Kinloch's children:-
William Loudon  born abt 1841 Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland - died  10 May 1869 Armadale, West Lothian, Scotland. 
John Loudon (My 2nd Great Granfather)  born abt 1849 Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland. - died 12 May 1932 Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  
Samuel Loudon  born abt 1851 Ireland  - died before 1900 unknown location.
Martha Loudon born abt 1853 Ireland -died 14 Jan 1912 Bo'ness, Linlithgowshire, Scotland.

I am not sure now whether they were from Ballymena so this info maybe incorrect.

Not sure if any of the above will help.  Thank you for taking the time to search it is much appreciated.

Regards

Janet

Janet,

Struggling to think of any easy way of helping you. Kinloch is quite a rare name in Ireland. Very few of them. Looking at the index to births, deaths & marriages, it?s most common around Strabane, in Co Tyrone. Can?t see any births, deaths or marriages in Co Antrim at all.

But you could check out the Ballymena link by going to PRONI and looking the baptisms up in the chruch records there. (I'd check both Church of Ireland and there are about 4 Presbyterian churches with records for the 1840s/50s).

I see that at leats one of the trees on Ancestry for this fmaily has at least one of the children born in Scotland c 1848. I take it that may be wrong.

Elwyn

Hi Elwyn

I will check out the PRONI Site - If I have any success I will let you know.   Thank You for all your trouble.

Re the Ancestry Tree with the child born in Scotland c1848

This would have been my 2nd Great Grandfather John who on the 1871 Scotalnd Census was incorrectly stated as being born in Bo'Ness Linlithgowshire.  It threw me for a while too but he was definately born in Ireland.

I have tried to contact the tree owners to advise them but so far they have not amended their info.

Kindest Regards

Janet

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