My GG Grandmother Mary Ann Cobbe was born 14 Dec 1831 and came to Canada by way of the port of New York City in Nov 1851 on board the ship Samuel. She boarded the ship in Dublin with many family members. I am not certain she was born in Coolbanagher but her sister Ann and Ann's husband Robert Rudd came across with her and their marriage registration was found there, 22 Oct 1850. It shows Ann's father's name as William. Ann Cobbe was born approx 1823. A brother David Cobbe was born approx 1825. And another presumed brother identified as "Mister Cobbe" had a cabin on that voyage and he was born approximately 1830. On the ship's manifest it lists a baby named Jane Cobbe born in 1850 directly under my gran's name. We find no record of that child in our family. We don't know if she is a child of my GG Grandmother or if it was placed under her name but belongs to sibling's family. Regardless there is no link to either of her sibling's families with regards to that child.
Listed on the Ship's manifest is My GG Gran, Mary Ann Cobbe and the infant Jane Cobbe (details above). Her sister Ann Cobbe Rudd and Ann's husband Robert born approx 1826 possibly in Gragavailla, Queens and their child William Albert Rudd listed as 10 months old. Her brother David and his wife Anna Lena Poag (as listed on their daughter's birth record in Canada). And David's son Richard Cobbe born approx 1845 in Ireland. Also "Mister Cobbe" presumed to be a brother born in approx 1830. There is listed an 8 year old child, Gordon Rudd born in approx 1843. I have presumed it is Robert Rudd's younger brother although he is 17 years older than Gordon and could be a parent or could also be a nephew.
That is the basic information. After landing in America and moving to Canada there is plenty of documentation. Pre-immigration info is lacking. Anyone that can add anything at all would be greatly appreciated!
Brenda Cooper Stroud
iamreggie
Friday 11th Jul 2014, 05:09PMMessage Board Replies
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Dear Brenda
Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!
Have you had a look on rootsireland.ie for any details about the Cobbe family? There are 2 baptism records for a Mary Ane Cobbe in 1831 and 1832 for example. As it is a subscription site I am limited in what I can see. It may be the case though that they were born and married in a parish and at time that predates the parish records. Roman Catholic records for Portarlington begin in 1820 for baptisms and 1822 for marriages while the RC records for Rosenallis begin in 1765 and in Mountmellick in 1814. All of these RC parishes are connected to or part of the civil parish of Coolbanagher.
Best wishes
Clare Doyle
Genealogy Support
Tuesday 15th Jul 2014, 11:06AM -
Thank you Clare for responding. I find it interesting that these are all Catholic parishes but when my Gran and her family landed, there is no hint of RC in their Canadian and American lives. Would there have been protestants living in Catholic parishes? That question alone makes it difficult on this end to find the correct Mary Ann Cobbe because I don't know her as a Catholic but all the records I come across are. I have read much about the difficulties the Irish had after immigrating to the United States with regards to being treated poorly and the things they changed in their lives to try and blend in. I wonder if the same thing isn't true in Ontario, Canada where she settled? And I have to admit I don't see many Catholics in the Ontario Census records when I'm searching. Westleyan Methodist seemed to be popular. I guess what I'm wondering is, should I ignore the fact that they are records from Catholic parishes. Is it likely my GG Gran's family was RC?
Brenda Cooper Stroud
iamreggie
Tuesday 15th Jul 2014, 03:18PM -
Dear Brenda
Part of your confusion is my fault, I?m afraid. I gave the Roman Catholic parish record start dates but not the Church of Ireland ones with them.
Church of Ireland parish records for Portarlington begin in 1694 and Rosenallis records begin in 1801.
You will find that in most parishes there will be a mix of religions depending on the time in question and the parish. If you have always associated your ancestor with the Church of Ireland denomination then that is probably correct. We may not know a lot about our ancestors but at a most basic level we know their religion as it is their faith that is handed down through generations. You or I may be Roman Catholic or Church of Ireland because that is what are parents were and their parents before them. While some stray from that broad generalisation for various reasons, in most cases it?s a safe assumption to make.
Another point to consider is that people of one religious persuasion would have emigrated with others of that faith and over time entire communities resettled elsewhere, almost like a reflection of their home in Ireland, except they now lived on foreign soil. Sometimes neighbours would emigrate together. This would have been true perhaps of small groups who felt they were a minority in a parish and for economic and other reasons decided to leave.
I have just checked what Church of Ireland parish records Roots Ireland holds and they only include the parishes below for Laois:
Church of Ireland
Parish
Baptisms
Marriages
Burials
Ballyfin
1866-1899
1862-1899
1866-1980
Portlaoise
1793-1899
1794-1899
1794-1880
You could have a look at the RCB Library site/contact them below as they are the repository of Church of Ireland Records in Ireland:
http://ireland.anglican.org/about/151
Sorry for the confusion!
Best wishes
Clare
Genealogy Support
Thursday 17th Jul 2014, 01:59PM -
Thank you so much for the information! It's greatly appreciated!
Brenda Cooper Stroud
iamreggie
Thursday 17th Jul 2014, 04:49PM -
Thank you so much for the information! It's greatly appreciated!
Brenda Cooper Stroud
iamreggie
Thursday 17th Jul 2014, 04:49PM