Patrick or John Hoey in Drumcliff

Robert:

I checked the Tithe Applotment listings for Drumcliff but found no Hoey/Hoy records. www.titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie 

There are a number of possible civil death index records for John, Mary and a Charles that I found on FindMyPast which is a subscription site. An example is below. The process is you write to the General Register Office for a copy of a particular record. It costs 4 euros a record and I can provide instuctions. The problem is which record applies to your ancestors. 

One other note. This summer the National Library of Ireland plans to put the RC parish registers online for free searching. Although the records are later than you need, you may find records for other family members who may have stayed in Ireland.

Let me know what questions you have and enjoy your trip to Sligo.

Roger McDonnell

Dear Roger:

Thank you very much for your quick and helpful response!  Yes, please provide the instructions for obtaining the record.  As you can imagine, my goal is to see if there is evidence that this John Hoey is the father of my Patrick Hoey.

I am willing to pay for such research.  Can you suggest a source for research?  I welcome any other suggestions too, of course.

Thank you again!

- Robert Judge

Holyoke MA USA

Robert:

So I assume you are snowed in and expecting more snow ( I live near Baltimore).

There are a number of professional genealogists in Ireland but you may do better with folks in Co. Sligo.

Here is the info to contact them. They do charge a fee for their services but I don't know the particulars.

SLIGO
Sligo Heritage and Genealogy Centre,
?ras Reddan,
Temple Street,
Sligo Town,
County Sligo.
Tel: +353 (0)71 9143728
Fax: +353 (0)71 9135416
Email: info@sligoroots.com
Website: www.sligoroots.com

I will get back to you with the instructions and possible index records.

Roger

Robert:

Go to this link  https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx    In the middle of the page hit the link for a death record. Fill out the form to the best of your ability. Make sure you request a copy.Add the info from the index record: year or Quarter/year of the event, registration district (in your case Sligo) and then the volume and page number. You have to mail the form to the address in Co. Roscommon but GRO will e-mail the copy (s) back.

Now here is the hard part. Which record may pertain to your ancestors. Obviously John was born in the early 1800s. Here are some possible records for John and Mary and one for a Charles.

Roger

Dear Roger:

It is snowing here again now in western Massachusettts.  But the weather here is what has given more reason to stay inside and work on my genealogy!

I will contact the Sligo Centre.  Thank you again for your help and yes, I will most apppreciatr any "instructions and possible index records" that you know.

- Bob Judge

Robert:

See my last message above.

Roger

Hi Robert,

I don't know if you got my previous messages, I live in Cooldrummon Lower, Drumcliffe, County Sligo.

The plots shown on the Griffiths Valuation relating to Patrick and John Hoey are currently owned by the West Family. These are probably decendants of Thomas West, also listed in the Valuation.

I spoke to Derrick West (who currently farms the land) at the weekend and he told me where the Hoey dwelling house ruins are. He also pronounced the name 'Hoe' as in Toe with a 'H'. This probably explains the reason that some Hoey (Hoe-ey) have been recorded as Hoe in some instances in the Valuation.

He told me that there was only a single Hoey ruin left and that he was not aware of a second dwelling location.

In any event the remaining ruin is easy to get to, so you should not have any problem getting a good look at it. If you drive north from Sligo town on the N15 to Cashelgarran (10km approx), you turn  left toward Carney village. Continue for approximately 800yards and turn right into the side road (there is a substantial farm house in the field on the opposite side of the road so you should know where you are.)

Proceed in the side road for a few hundred yards and the ruins on the Hoey dwelling are in front of you.

Regards,

John Casserly

Email casserly.john@itsligo.ie

 Dear John:

Thank you so very much for your message!  You have made my day!

The most common alternative to Hoey that I have seen is HOY, which I have assumed, rightly or wrongly, is pronounced as it reads.  So, now the “HOE” alternative also interests me.

Would you have an address, phone number, or email address for Mr. West?  I would like to contact him if that would be convenient for him.

I will plan to visit the Hoey ruin in June.  It will be a privilege to visit the home of my great-great-grandfather John Hoey/Hoe/Hoy.

In 2006, I received a message about Hoeys buried in the Drumcliffe cemetery.  I copied that email to the bottom of this email.  Now that I know that I must visit Drumcliffe, I will visit that cemetery, too.  I would of course be thrilled to find any Hoey still in Cooldrummon who is also descended from John.

I did not get any of your previous messages, so I am so pleased that you tried again.  Again, thank you for your kindness in helping me so importantly with my genealogy!

Robert G. Judge

Robert:

I'm glad you are hooked up with John. I can explain where John's prior messages are posted. You originally posted two messages on February 14th. See the bottom of this page. John was posting on the other message along with our volunteer Elwyn from Co. Antrim. 

Roger

Hello, This is wonderful. You are all brilliant. The very idea of this website makes my heart double.

I may be out of luck because my relatives emmigrated so early on, but I am also searching Hoy/Hoey roots in Co. Sligo. I found a family unit that matches the description of my ancestors in the Drumcliff baptismal records, and it is my strong suspicion that they are the Hoy-Warren family that ended up on Nantucket ~1846.

I wanted to reach out to you, Bob, since more research may return a common ancestor. And I want to say thank you to all the commenters/contributors for the valuable information that is posted here. I too would like to make my way to the ruins of the Hoey home someday, as soon as I am able to come to Ireland.

Here is what I know:
In Drumcliff in 1844 Brigida is born to Guilermus Warren and Maria Hoey. Looks like Bridget, William and Mary, right? I supposed there could be a contemporaneous family of Hoy-Warrens by the same names somewhere else in Ireland, but I hope not, because I've already adopted Co. Sligo as mine own.

On Nantucket Island, my ancestors had one child in Ireland before immigrating to Massachusetts (c. 1845/6) and having many more. My 2x great grandmother is their eldest, Bridget Warren of William and Mary Hoy Warren, born ~1844, although she gets younger and younger every US Census. Her siblings are named Mary J., Catherine, Margaret, William F., Thomas, George H., Lizzie. The only John varient is a Joanna Buckley, a possible child of Bridget, born after my great grandmother Josephine Francis. So far, no Buckley surnames are in the family line. The names of William and Mary's American born children are mostly from the next generation up. William Sr.'s parents are George and Catherine Gordon Warren on his death certificate. They would be born roughly ~1790. Mary's parents are Thomas and Margaret Dogan Hoy on her death certificate, presumably born ~1800 - 1805, because William is older than Mary by about 10 years, and born ~1810. Thomas the younger (1855) and his son James become blacksmiths on Nantucket, if that implies some family knowledge of smithing, although William Sr., the migrating ancestor, was only ever listed as a laborer.

There is some family confusion farther down the line to do with being Scots-Irish. That's what Bridget's descendents are later told, which is the information that was passed down to me, but everyone was always Catholic, so it's perplexing. But this may be attributable to her husband (Michael McCarthy, possibly of Cork) or, more likely, the man her daughter would marry, Albert Tucker whose family has been in the US since the dawn of time. He worked for the railraod and did not live long enough to know his grandchildren, so perhaps the religion of choice was my great grandmother's. This confusion is what initially led me to research my genealogy. I wanted to parce apart the immigrant stories.

Is there any population in the area today identifying as Scots as they might in Ulster? Being American, I don't understand how the historical plantation effected (or did not effect) the larger surrounding area outside of Ulster. I do know that Ireland's population isn't going to be homogeneous. So the difference between Irish sounding names like Hoey versus names like Warren, where there may be more to the name than straightforward Irish ancestry, won't go very far to explain how my family came to not know if they were Irish or Scots-Irish. I hope my thinking outloud on this topic isn't in poor form.

There is another family myth about about a great many extended family members dying from picking/eating/canning (not sure which) mushrooms in Roger Williams State Park in RI and contracting botulism. But so far, I can't find any substantative documentation. Supposedly it robbed my great grandmother of many immediate relatives, and left her to care for her blind father. So Bob, if you have heard any crazy stories like that, please let me know. I hope that fate didn't befall anyone in your New England family, but that is just the type of story that gets passed up, down and sideways.

I guess my next steps would be to try to prove my assumption wrong by seeing if the Co. Sligo Hoey-Warrens left when I think they did to become the Hoy-Warrens, and eventually McCarthy-Tuckers in Providence, RI. There are more than one William Warren in tax records. I can't find marriage records, though I haven't thoroughly tried neighboring parishes. And I don't know if it would be expected to show parent names. I see someone said there is a Mary Hoey in burials. I hope it's not the one I was hoping was mine, but I'll have to check. I've checked other sites for the burials of the elders, but no luck yet.

Does anyone know how to check cancelation records? Maybe if one of those Williams turns up missing after 1845?

Again, Bob please feel free to reach out if any of these names pop out in your research. And the others, Roger, John and any other kind person who contributed here, thanks a million, emphatically. I just know I will keep referring back to this page.

~J e n (one word) M e r c e d e (at gmail)

And apologies for misspellings, I had to turn off spell check because of some very embarassing predictive typing errors. My device seems to know its late at night here and wants to signal someone in code.

Hello, my name is Tim Talbot, and my Great-Grandmother was a woman named Anna Maria Hoey. Her father was a man named John Hoey. Her mother’s maiden name was McGonigle, or McGonigal. She was from Co. Sligo, born in 1858 or 1863. She emigrated to New York in 1879, where she met and married my Great-Grandfather, William H Talbot of Roscrea, Co. Tipperary, and had 4 sons and 1 daughter, my Grandfather Francis Leo Talbot among them. She died in Flushing NY January 15th, 1936. I’ve looked for her people in Co. Sligo but haven’t had any luck. I stumbled across this message board tonight and was wondering if she might related to Mr Judges Hoey/Hoe/Hoy relations? 

Thanks,

Tim Talbot