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Trying to trace ancestors of Catherine Carlisle.

From marriage (certificate) to David McKean Motherwell 7th Jan 1885 at Berry St (Pres) Church Belfast:

- she was of full age and a spinster

- father John Carlisle - Labourer.

- Witnesses: William Cuming (sp?) and Martha Young

From 1911 Census (University Street, Belfast) :

- born about 1863 Birth place given as Craigavod Co Down [sic - not Armagh, Craigavon - between Lurgan and Portadown ]

- Craigavod is I believe between Bangor and Holywood on the North coast of Co Down

The 1901 Census lists Kate as born Bangor, Co Down.

(NB Can't find birth record but do find - probable red herring:

Name: Catherine Carlile [Not Carlisle]
Registration district: Lisburn [i.e. Craigavon not Craigavod]
Record type: BIRTHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1865
Estimated birth year:
Age:
Mother's surnames:
Film number: 101042
Volume: 16
Page: 626
Digital GS number: 4187282
Image number: 00052
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958)

David Faulder

Saturday 19th Dec 2015, 05:14PM

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  • Statutory birth registration started in Ireland on 1.1.1864. So if Catherine was born before that you won’t find a birth cert. You might find her baptism but to do that you really  need to know the church and denomination.

    If she was full age (ie 21 or over) in Jan 1885 then that suggests a birth before 1.1.1864, as does her age in the 1911 census (though census ages are notoriously unreliable).

    Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church. That suggests she was Presbyterian. So you probably need to search the baptism records for Presbyterian churches in Craigavad (which as you correctly explain is between Belfast & Bangor) and also in Bangor itself since that is also given as a place of birth. Probably about 10 Presbyterian churches in those 2 locations.

    The churches hold the originals but there are also copies in PRONI, the public record office, in Belfast. Their copies are not on-line and so a personal visit is required to access them. If you are unable to go there yourself, you may need to employ a researcher.

    http://www.proni.gov.uk/guide_to_church_records.pdf

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Saturday 19th Dec 2015, 07:33PM

  • Thanks for the above - building up a research agenda for a future visit. I fear that employing a researcher may be very stop-start as each discovery tends to raise further questions! For instance there is also a Catherine Motherwell Carlisle in the records (which raises questions given that the subject of this post married a Motherwell).

    It was suggested that I cross post because everything is parish orientated!
    Originally under Shankill (Down)
    and (erroneously) under Shankill (Roscommon)!
    Suggested that I also post under
    Holywood (Down) and
    Bangor (Down)
    It would be nice to tag a single message with multiple parishes - then all answers would be kept together

    David Faulder

    Sunday 20th Dec 2015, 02:34PM

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