Daltons in Kilgobnet and Colligan Parishes (County Waterford) in 1850's and earlier

Hi Bill

Here's a baptism recotd of William from www.rootsireland.ie/:

Name:William DaltonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:31-May-1850Address:KilgobinetParish/District:KILGOBINETGender:
CountyCo. Waterford
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Luke DaltonMother:O'Toole Cath HynesOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Michael HaniganSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Eliza Dalton

I'm afraid I couldn't find the parents' marriage or one of Dalton to Qualey.

Here's a listing from Griffiths Valuation (free online) showing where Luke lived in 1851:

Family Name 1DALTONForename 1LUKELandlordFamily Name 2CREMORNEForename 2LORDLocationCountyWATERFORDBaronyDECIES WITHOUT DRUMUnionDUNGARVANParishKILGOBNETTownlandCOUMARAGLIN MOUNTAINPlace NameCOUMARAGLIN MOUNTAINPlace TypeTOWNLANDPublication DetailsPosition on Page5Printing Date1851Act9&10Sheet Number14,23Map Reference4

He's not in the 1851 Irish Census (free) but there is a family with a 16 year-old Luke in Colligan so if the irish naming pattern was followed this could be a relative:

DaltonMary55FemaleHead of FamilyRoman CatholicCo WaterfordFarmerRead and writeIrish and EnglishWidow-DaltonMinnie18FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicCo WaterfordFarmers DaughterRead and writeIrish and EnglishNot Married-DaltonKatie17FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicCo WaterfordFarmers DaughterRead and writeIrish and EnglishNot Married-DaltonLuke16MaleSonRoman Catholic

The nli RC registers have Kilgobnet Marriages 1848-81 which I assume you've tried

Col

Hello Col:
 

Thank you!

The "1851 Irish Census" data is new to me. I didn't know such a record existed. Thanks so much. I would love to see it. If you can provide me a website address or link to go to, it would be most appreciated.

If this is for 1851, then the widow Mary Dalton (age 55, born 1796) can't be my ggf William's mother, since he was born in 1851. Since Mary's listed son "Luke" is only 16 (so, born 1835), I doubt he can be either my ggf William's father nor the Luke Dalton shown holding that 4-acre plot on Coumaraglin Mountain in the 1850 GV. However, this Dalton family in Colligan in 1851 is definitely not the Daltons who emigrated to the US from Knockanroe in 1849, so they could likely be close blood relatives of my ggf William and gggf Luke. I'm not sure where I go from here. I think all I can hope for now is some old written family heirloom info, either here or in Ireland, to surface unexpectedly. I can only hope.     

I had seen the 1850 baptism record before at the NLI website.  That mother's maiden name is "Hynes" and DOBap is 31 May 1850. Our family records say Wm's mother was named Qualey (which also aligns with John Qualey) and Wm's 1872 US Naturalization document says his DOB was 21 Oct 1851. I am doubting it's my ggf William. This 1850 baptism might possibly be for my ggf but such an unlikely assumption would present new issues/questions and conflicts with other known information.
 

I did look through the Kilgobnet Parish marraige book but couldn't find anything for a Luke Dalton. Since I know my ggf William had older sibling(s), I think his father Luke was probably married prior to 1848, when those records commence. 

Again, thanks so much for your help and research!

Bill Dalton

Just type this into your browser: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

It will tell you it's only 1901 & 1911 but click on the link on the main page to 1901 & 1911 censuses & the down arrow in the drop box net to 1901 will give you the earlier years.

Col

Hi Col:

REF: Your post of 12 Feb 2016 showing a 31 May 1850 Baptism record and my related reply of 14 Feb 2016.

After further research and looking over the actual parish book at registers.nli.ie, it became obvious from his many signatures throughout the book that the "Hynes" entry is actually parish priest Father J. Hynes' signature, attesting to the prior baptism entry dated 26 May 1850.  (See attached image.)

The mother's given name and maiden surname then appear to possibly read Catherine "O'Toole", though the surname could read something else. That still leaves a discrepancy between this Baptism's date of 5-31-1856 and an 1872 US record for my ggf that states he was born 10 Oct 1851. However, I know conflicting birthdates in various records on the same person are very common. So this could be my ggf's baptism record, if I accept the date. However, the O'Toole surname is problematic. Old wriiten family notes (from my deceased aunt) say that his mother's name was "Qualey" (sometimes written as Quealy). There are also the Dalton & Qualey connections mentioned in my original post. There seems little if any record of any O'Tooles in either Kilgobnet or the nearby parishes. Can you sugget anywhere I might turn to try and find a Dalton and O'Toole (or Dalton and Qualey) connection in mid-1800's County Waterford?

Bill

P.S.  FYI..... In trying to look up that Dalton family entry in the "1851 Census", I found that it was actually listed under 1901, not 1851. I still very much appreciate the effort you made to try to track something down there.

Hi Bill,

I've tried to find Dalton - Qualey marriages without success - in any county but here are some Qualeys from Kilgobnet from www.rootsireland.ie/:

Date of Marriage:01-Dec-1851
Parish / District:Kilgobinet
County:Co. Waterford
Husband
WifeName:MichaelFleming
AnnQualeyAddress:
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Roman Catholic

Date of Marriage:16-Feb-1854
Parish / District:Kilgobinet
County:Co. Waterford
Husband
WifeName:MichaelQuan
MaryQualeyAddress:
GarrDenomination:Roman Catholic
Roman Catholic

There are 47 Dalton marriages in Kilgobnet from 1850 to 1972

Could we work back from the most recent one that you know of?

Col

Hi Col -

Thanks.  Since my ggf Wm Dalton was definitely born before the early 1850's (and was known to have at least 4 siblings), my guess is that his parents (Luke and ??? Dalton) were married before 1848 - the earliest year for which Kilgobnet Parish matrimony records exist (that I've seen).

At registers.nli.ie, I did find at least one Baptism record (4 June 1856) that shows a Qualey & Dalton couple that were the parents and perhaps even another Qualey & Dalton couple that were the sponsors. (A screen capture is attached.)  Since the given names are in all Latin, it looks like the child's name is "Ellinam" (perhaps Ellen?) while the parents are a "Gulielmus" (William) Qualey & Mary Dalton and the sponsors are a Thomas Qualey and Brigid Dalton. Since it's 1856 and the fact the males are Qualeys not Daltons, the record doesn't reveal anything about my ggf or gggf -- other than the fact that Dalton and Qualey families did marry. 

As for Dalton & O'Toole connections - marraige, baptism, etc - I haven't been able to find anything. Have you seen any records or evidence at all on a Dalton & O'Toole connection in Kilkognet (or nearby parish), other than that one Baptism record you posted earlier?

Thanks for all your help.

Bill