James Dooley

What year was he convicted at age 13 Pat?

Col

Hi Col,

James Dooley was convicted at the City of Cork in 1819 and sent on the Convict ship "Mary".

Patricia

Hi, My cousin's Parents were Dooley, Her Father was Thomas, She lives in Birr Offay. She may know something of those 

Dooley's but not sure.  Her name is Marian O"Conner everyone in Birr knows her.

Hi May,

Thank you for that information.  We will try to call into Birr Offaly and see if we can meet with Marian.

Thank you once again,

Patricia Quinn

 

If he was convicted in Cork would he not be from Cork.  

Maybe it said Kings Country not County?

There are lots of Dooleys in Offaly but I think it is Cork

Would this be your James Dooley

Dooley, James. Native Place Cork City. Tried Cork. Calling Errand boy. Age 13

Geraldine

Hello again - here is one James Dooley born in Cork in 1805 - as you said he was transported in 1819 at age 13 - he must have been born 1805 or 1806.  This James Dooley was born May 1805 in Cork

NameJAMES DOOLY

Date of BirthN/R N/R N/RAddressCAT LANE

FatherANDREW DOOLY

MotherMARY FLAHERTY

Sponsor 1JOHN KEEFFESponsor 2ELIZAB DONOVANRecorded Parochial AreaSOUTH PARISH, CORK (ST. FINBAR'S, CHRIST CHURCH, ST. NICHOLAS, ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM)

About the record

Book NumberPageEntry NumberRecord_IdentifierImage FilenameN/R92N/RCR-RC-BA-57961cork & ross.south parish, cork (st. finbar's, christ church, st. nicholas, st. john of jerusalem).p4778.00439

Another Jas Dooley 24th August 1806 (Jas and James are the same name)

 

JAS DOOLYDate of BirthN/R N/R N/R

AddressBANDON ROAD

FatherMAURICE DOOLY

MotherMARY HORGAN

Further details in the record

Sponsor 1PAT MURPHYSponsor 2MARY DOYLERecorded Parochial AreaSOUTH PARISH, CORK (ST. FINBAR'S, CHRIST CHURCH, ST. NICHOLAS, ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM)

This James is 1804

NameJAMS DOOLEY

Date of BirthN/R N/R N/R

AddressCARRIGEENS

FatherJAMS DOOLEY

MotherELLEN DEADY

Further details in the record

Sponsor 1JNO DINEENSponsor 2MARY MCCARTHYRecorded Parochial AreaSOUTH PARISH, CORK (ST. FINBAR'S, CHRIST CHURCH, ST. NICHOLAS, ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM

172452DooleyJames

Mary 1819 (?)28 November

1841Newcastle gaolState Archives NSW; Gaol Entrance Book, Item: 2/2020; Roll: 757

Admitted to Newcastle gaol from Muswellbrook. Charged with assaulting a constable in the execution of his duty. To pay a fine or be confined 2 months.

http://www.jenwilletts.com/convict_ship_mary_1819.htm

 

Geraldine

Pat I would hate to see you go to the wrong county in Ireland but I really think it has to be Cork.  If you look on IrishGenealogy.ie you can search Parish and Civil registrations.  Now I am only going by the date he was transported and there seems to be only a handful of James Dooleys born in Ireland in 1805/1806.  There seems to be only 5 births registared in that time in all of Ireland and all of them seem to be in Cork.

Now that does not say that the birth was even registered as in 1806 a lot of the births might not be registered. 

Do you have any more informations at all on James Dooley.

There is a lot of information out there about Convicts - have you tried any of these?

Geraldine

Hi Geraldine,

I have scoured all the information possible from this end, but it just gives the crime and punishment, how he came out, was given a pardon and married.  

The only new things that I have found are that one source on Ancestry has said that his father was a James Dooley who was  born in 1780.  I don't know how this information was gained however, and have sent off a message to the person with the tree asking them how they obtained it.   However, they may not reply in time.  The other piece of information, is that his daughter's ( from whom my husband is descended ) name was Ellen. None of the people who had his Marriage or Death Certificate had the names of his parents.  No one has a record of any other children of the marriage, which is weird, but as I haven't got the Marriage and Death Certificates, cannot check.

The remark regarding James Dooley, calling errand boy sentenced at 13 sounds like him, and It definitely COULD be Kings Country.  Therefore, the one saying that he was born in 1804 could be him, as it has father James and mother Ellen.  What do you think??

Many thanks for all your searching, it would be wonderful if we could really find the correct person.

Patricia Quinn

 

Hello Pat

I think the one with the Father James and Mother Ellen is most likely to be the correct one - was your Ellen the oldest daughter - ususally the olders son was called after the father/grandfather and the olders daughter after the mother.

I have checked through the National Newspapers for that time and can find no boy 13 being deported

Will keep searching

Geraldine

Hi  Geraldine.  James Dooley was sent to Australia  on the co vict ship " Mary" in 1819.  We are now on our way to Ireland  and should arrive in Dublin tomorrow.   Thank you for continuing to search for him.

Patricia Quinn 

By now you have probably arrived in Ireland and welcome and I hope ye had a good journed.  Hard to imagine the journed poor James and ones like him had on their way to Australia.  How so many survived is amazing. 

Geraldine

Patricia saw this on http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-CONVICTS/2000-11/0974…

From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> 
Subject: RE: James DOOLEY, wife Bridget Shea and daughter Julia 
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:35:50 +1100 
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20001121203136.006fbc10@mail.froggy.com.au>

Could not resist reading further..regarding James Dooley :-

James Dooley or Doolen on the Andromeda 11 (1) from Kings Co was 58 years
old in 1830...which may rule him out age wise

James Dooley on the Boyne and 18 years of age in 1826 received a Life
sentence and therefore should have obtained permission to marry...but I
cannot find that permission

James Dooley of the Mary 1 from Cork was 13 years old in 1819 and received a
7 year sentence which would have run its term by the time he married and
therefore would not have required permission marry and by that stage, both
should have been free.

Regards
Lesley

<mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au>

Claim a Convict
http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

Convicts to Port Jackson 1788 - 1842 CD-ROM
http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page152.html

Convicts Permissions to Marry 1826 - 1851 CD-ROM
http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page154.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Brown [mailto:hbrown@froggy.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 20:32
To: AUS-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: James DOOLEY, wife Bridget Shea and daughter Julia

Greetings Sue Lund
Thank you again for your welcome and your forbearance.
And Greetings also to
I live in Sydney NSW Australia, 76, retired and as the RAAF used to say
"happy in the Service", but this time of my wife.
I have an interest and something of a problem with Dooley/Shea antecedants.
My g.g.father's Bible, his wife my g.g.mother Julia's Death Certificate and
their Marriage Certificate all claim her to have been the daughter of James
Dooley & Bridget Shea and two of those state her to have been born in
Sydney, 25 Dec.1845. My Grandmother, whom I knew closely for 30 years plus,
understood her Grandparents to be James Dooley & Bridget Shea and her
Mother to be Julia Dooley.
James Dooley & Bridget Shea were married in the Roman Catholic Church of
St Mary's, Sydney, 10 May 1844.
The NSW Reg.of BDM lists a second daughter, Mary Anne born to James Dooley
& Bridget SHEE on 10 Jan.1845, then five sons (John, James T., Michael,
Laurence 1854 & Lawrence 1859) and the last child a daughter, Catherine,
born 1861.
There is no mention of a "Julia". However Julia was married 19 Aug.1865
with the rites of the Presbyterian Church, and her Marriage Cert. shows her
then to have been a Spinster, born Sydney, and a Servant residing at George
St Sydney.
Since it was rather difficult for a birth to such as Bridget Shea not to be
registered in NSW in 1845, why is Julia not listed at all in the Index of
Births of the Reg of BDM for NSW?
She would appear to have changed her given name and assumed an easily
remembered birthday.
I copied her example with a birthday to join the RAAF although I would not
claim Christmas Day.
My family believed Bridget Shea to have been born in Ireland.
The Certificate of Freedom No 43/1010, 23 Jun 1843,SHEA Bridget shows her
to have arrived on the "Margaret" in 1837. The Margaret (1) sailed from
Cork on 24 01 1837, arrived NSW 30 05 1837 with 126 male & 162 female
convicts on board.
On Page 34 of the Index to the "Principal Superintendent of Convicts -
Register of Convicts Applications to Marry, A.O. Fiche 800; (4/4514) for
the period Oct.1842-Feb.1851", "Bridget Shea" is shown as having
received permission to marry. I could not find the indicated page but that
interval covers the 1844 date and there are no other recorded marriages for
Dooley-Shea within it.
Entry No.: 22890 in the Colonial Secretary's "General Returns of Convicts
NSW 1837" (NSW State Reference Library) shows :-
"Name: SHEA, Bridget; Age 23; Ship: Margaret; Year:1837;Where tried:
---;Master: De Mestre, (Mrs)
District : Sydney."
And that would make Bridget to be 30 in 1844 & 47 in 1861.
I believe Bridget was alive in 1874 when my Grandmother was born and during
her childhood and I have a photo of a dray/trap? with her parents in the
front seat and three older folk, believed to be her Ayliffe & Dooley
grandparents behind them.

Three James Dooley's are registered, two in the 1837 "General Returns of
Convicts" viz.:
Entry No. 7498, Age 31, Ship "Boyne", arrived 1826; tried at Longford;
Bathurst District, Ticket of Leave;
Entry No. 7503, Age 47, Ship "Andromeda",arrived 1830;tried KingsCo.;
Bathurst District; Freed;
and another for whom three Certificates of Freedom (1824, 1836 & 1840)
show him to have arrived in Sydney on the "Mary" in 1819.

I will try to resolve which of these married Bridget by looking in the
State Archives Office for the Applications to Marry entry.

I have not yet been able to determine the dates of death for either James
or Bridget.

 

This thread:

• James DOOLEY, wife Bridget Shea and daughter Julia by "Harry Brown" <hbrown@froggy.com.au>
  • RE: James DOOLEY, wife Bridget Shea and daughter Julia by "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au>
  • RE: James DOOLEY, wife Bridget Shea and daughter Julia by "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au>
  • Re: James DOOLEY, wife Bridget Shea and daughter Julia by "Helen Langdon" <hlangdon@acay.com.au>

Hello Pat

I would love to know how you are getting on with regards to James Dooley - did you have any luck?

I was thinking of 1819 and the newspapers must have carried the news that a child so young would be sent to Australia as a convice.  I looked on the Cork County Library website to see what newspapers were around at this time.  Below is the list.  

None seem to be searchable online.

So I have emailed the Cork Local Studies 'localstudieslibrary@corkcoco.ie' and also Cork Genealogy Society - Corkgensoc@gmail.com - with all of the information and asked them for some help or to tell us where to go for help with your query.

Geraldine

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1878.

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1831.

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Hello Pat

This is the reply I got from Cork County Library - I will send her on more information.

Geraldine

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Hello,

Thank you for your email.

I don’t think based on the information provided it would be possible to trace James Dooley. You didn’t say what source you found five James Dooley’s registered? The only sources we would have for births in County Cork for that time frame would be church records, so it would be a case of trying to find a baptism record for James. I have done a search on the church records available on Find My Past and five years either side of 1806, there were 38 James Dooley’s baptised in County Cork. The surname Dooley can often be transcribed or standardised to Daly, of whom there are many. But the problem is without any other details, it is impossible to say which, if any of these James Dooleys is the ancestor of Pat Hallinan.

 

I have also searched the online sources of the Petty Court sessions. If James was convicted of some misdemeanour it would most likely be in these courts his case was heard. The problem is there are very few registers from the Petty Courts pre-1851. Again a search on Find My Past showed no results for James Dooley from that time period. I would assume this person’s information came from Australian records? Most of the information does usually come from the country the person was sent to/emigrated to rather than from Irish records, especially as early as 1819.

 

Also many people were from other parts of the country and brought to Cork for transportation to Australia. So that may also cause confusion. Finally, as mentioned there are very few Cork newspapers available from that time period, many of which exist are not digitised making the task of searching them, without a narrower date range, a very time consuming task.

 

I’m sorry I could provide no positive news, but it is very much a needle in haystack.

 

Regards,

Kim

 

Kim Smyth,

Local Studies Library

Cork County Library

021-4546499

Hi Geraldine,

Thank you so much for all the searching that you have done on my behalf!!!  We know that James Dooley didn't receive his Pardon at the end of his 7 years Term, as in 1839 he assaulted a policeman and so they added on extra 7 years, which explains why he had to have permission to marry, as you couldn't marry without permission while still a convict!!!  

I really appreciate all the work and time you have taken to search for James.

We didn't end having enough time to get down to Cork, but will have to save that for next time!!!   In the meantime, I will continue to keep searching online.

Kind regards,

Patricia

Hope ye had a good holiday anyway and that ye enjoyed Ireland.

I do remember one of the pieces was about a James Dooley assulting a policeman

Take care and safe journey back home.

Will keep looking also on this end

Geraldine