Thomas Lyons died Dublin 1849

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From around the middle of the 19th century use of the old city Graveyards was gradually phased out, although a few burials took place for those with ancient burial rights, after this time most of the burials took place in the outlying cemeteries in Co. Dublin and the suburbs - Prospect/Glasnevin for "those of all religions and none", and Mount Jerome in Harold's Cross for mostly non-Catholic at this time.

Glasnevin burials are online and there's a free index search, with full details available for a fee. There's only one Thomas Lyons burial that I could see in 1849, with age 9.

Mount Jerome do not have an official website, but there are a large number of headstone transcripts and photos available for this Cemetery on the IGP website.

The old smaller city cemeteries are much more difficult to search, many have been long closed and have no office and there are no centralized records available. There's a map and list of these cemeteries and graveyards on the Dublin Graveyards Directory  (Dublin CIty Library). Catholic parishes rarely kept death/burial records but the Church of Ireland, the established Church, usually did, death/burial records for many of the CofI parishes in the City are available (free) on the IrishGenealogy website.

P.S. another possible line of research would be newspapers - starting with Freeman's Journal. This paper is included on IrishNewsArchives (pay) website, but the microfilms of this in the National Library of Ireland (Kildare St.) might be of better image quality. A death notice might give service & burial details.

Regarding the uncertainty over Thomas’s wife’s maiden name, statutory birth registration started in England in 1837, so if you get some of the birth certs for the children born after that, it should resolve her maiden name. It won’t help resolve where Thomas was born but may otherwise clarify that aspect of the family tree. (For example, Emma Lyons birth may be the one registered in Islington Apr – Jun 1839 Vol 3, page 161). 

Have you found a will for Thomas? It might just give clues about relatives in Ireland or elsewhere.

Thanks for your comments.

Elwyn, that's a good suggestion about the later children's birth certificates.

No, I haven't found a will for Thomas, but I think there should be one somewhere.

I found a few death notices in the papers, but they didn't give any details on service or burial. The children in London were all christened in protestant churches, so I am thinking it more likely he was treated as Church of Ireland, but I'm not familiar with the Irish church system.

Thanks for the background on the cemeteries usage in Dublin. I can't find Thomas on any of the headstone indexes.

UK GRO Index shows the mother's maiden surname for the birth Elwyn mentioned in Islington district as Cunningham :

Lyons Emma / Cunningham
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter
Islington Reg. District
Volume 03  / Page 161

FamilySearch shows a probable marriage of the couple in November 1823 at Saint Saviour, Southwark

I think Mount Jerome is the most likely so definitely worth checking with them in case the burial was there.  There are microfilms of their records from 1836 in the Dublin City Library , Pearse St. Dublin City.

Thanks, shanew147. It sounds as though Mount Jerome Cemetery records would be a good use of time. I'll follow that up. Thanks also for the birth index record. I was not aware that mother's maiden name was available on these early ones. Yes, the marriage at Saint Saviour is theirs.

Hi jwsailwalk

I saw this post on a search I was doing on Thomas Lyons.  He is my 2nd Great Grandfather ( aka Great-Great Grandfather).

His second son Edmund ( b.1827) migrated to Melbourne, Australia.  

Any further success on Thomas ?  Would love to share any information and records I have.

regards

David

Hi David, I did find where he was buried and his Dublin address at the time (a hotel from memory), but it didn't shed any light on his ancestry. I haven't done any more looking for a will as I am currently researching other lines. I have recently done DNA and put my results onto Gedmatch, but haven't done searching there yet. Are you on any Facebook genealogy groups? Perhaps we could exchange messages there. I have done lots of research also, especially on Australian Lyonses.

Cheers, Jane

Hi Jane,thanks for replying.  The only site I am on is Ancestry.  I am on FB, if you suggest a genealogy group we could exchange details.  I have also done DNA on Ancestry, waiting for results.

Did you confirm Thomas' wife details?  He married Mary Ann Cunningham in 1823.  

Would love to hear more.

regards

David

Hi David, 

It might be simplest if you just send me your email address in a message (on Messenger) and we can exchange information.   Jane

Hi David, I realised that won’t work. How about you join the Victoria AU Genealogy Facebook Group. Then we can exchange information. Cheers, Jane

Hi Jane - OK have applied to join the page.  cheer David